He took over in 2016
Would you take Rodgers at United?
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He took over in 2016
Since being at Leicester consistently finished above teams with bigger budgets, established them in the top echelon of the league and won the FA cup, I mean from an achievement standpoint I am not sure what else he could do he is manager of Leicster not Spurs or Arsenal, the fact that they are even in the argument for European places at the end of most seasons I pretty damn good.
He took a double role in 2012 as Marketing Director and General Director, but the latter role he shared with Michael Kinsbergen for 3 seasons to help him grow into the role of CEO of a major Enterprise.
Still, There have been books written (literally) about how awfully Ajax as a club was manager until vd Sar and Overmars took over (and Peter Bosz was assigned). The point is Ajax were far from having a monopoly in those years and we still havent.
I would fully get behind him IF it happened and give the guy a chance to prove me wrong, yes like many of the fanbase it doesn't sit well that he's a scouse reject but a win at Anfield in the second half of this season goes some way to winning over
That's going to be his issue from the get go. He won't enjoy the patience and adoration that Ole got, he's an ex Scouse reject that I'd wager most fans wouldn't have wanted as Ole's replacement. If he doesn't hit the ground running I don't see it being too long before the matchgoing fans turn nasty on him with the boos and "You scouse bastard" being sung in full blast. And tbh for right or wrong I'd feel the same.
I'd be willing to be patient with the likes of Ten Hag, but with Brendan Rodger's he'd have to pleasantly surprise me, and early on too.
That says more about you than it does about him.
Bigger budgets? You meant against Arteta?
Rodgers is known with his reputation buying deadwoods from his days at Liverpool and his days at Leicester. His recruitment has been terrible. So provide him with more money or more net spent doesn't mean he will be able to do even better. Especially knowing that he already failed at Liverpool and only had one good season with them in 4 seasons. There are also other critcism in his managerial aspect for one of the example have no plan B when his plan A not working.
Poch spent similar or less budget before his final season actually managed to finish in top 4 with Spurs for so many seasons. I don't see Poch blew away his top 4 chances against the likes Lampard and Ole, the guy finished above LVG and Mourinho. And it's not just Poch, even Moyes is doing the same or probably even better now. This shows there are other better alternatives than him and what Rodgers had done is good but not good enough for what we need to take us into that level where we want to be which competing against Chelsea, City and Liverpool.
What does it say about me exactly?
As much as its a no from me, him leading us to a win at anfield with a blatantly offside 97th minute winner and celebrating like SAF in 92 against Sheffield Wednesday would go a long way to changing my mind
No Old Trafford crowd would ever sing "you scouse bastard" at our manager.
That you’re going to be completely irrational when it comes to assessing whether our next manager is doing a good job or not.
Probably not, more of an amusing thought in my own mind, but I stand by the point that they wouldn't be anywhere near as patient with him as they would Ole or even the managers that preceded him.
You could well be right. I would like to think the crowd would objectively look for progress both in terms of playing style and results but who knows.
The sobering reality is I think you're right. I'm obviously upset at the state of the club to the point its clouding my better judgement, to the point I'd be irrationally impatient and borderline hostile to a manager I really don't want us appointing. Don't know, maybe I'm also naively assuming other fans would feel the same for the sake of comforting myself
Yeah it definitely would for me as well and be even better IF it was knocking them out of CL but we may not qualify anyway
This is what you are all fixated on, it being an elite manager rather than the right one.
People saying Ten Hag the last Ajax manager that came to this league lost 7 in 7 and was sacked, now I'm not saying that would happen now but players and managers coming from that league are very hit and miss.
I'm not saying Rodgers is the right man he might not be but he isn't a bad manager/coach either, what I am most concerned about is the board ability to not get it right whichever way to go.
The other obstacle we have I genuinely don't think there is a manager out there that are better than Pep and Klopp which is probably the most damaging thing about appointing a new a manager for us.
Yeah I feel exactly the same about him as well, least if he isn't a Utd legend then the board won't be stuck in a halfway house like they have clearly been with Ole ever since about this time last year
Fofana, Maddison, Ricardo, Castange are deadwood?
All of these players would get game time in our current squad.
Also yes Arteta and Arsenal their wage bill and transfer spend dwarves Leicester's own by miles.
Further to this Leicester sell players to the upper league rivals fairly regularly in his time Chilwell and Maguire
They won the title 4 years in a row before he took reign. Point made.
Ok dude, you're the expert on Ajax and Dutch football obviously. I can argue with you by going into depth and facts if you're open for it. I doubt it though, you sound like you just want to be right and have your initial opinion backed up..
He could have got them into the top four either of the two times they were in poll position to do so but botched it. Or he could not have them looking crap so far this season. They're currently in 12th and for good reason.
He's done fine at Leicester, while benefitting from the fact that they are a well run club who had nearly all his current first team in place when he arrived, so no rebuilding was required. But the idea that his work there should bolster his chance at getting another top job is bizarre to me. It's just reinforced the takeaway from his time at Liverpool, that at the highest level he is a good-but-not-good-enough manager.
He didn't sign Maddy and Pereira, they were signed under Puel as manager. Only Fofana I would say good signing out of how many? I'll let you to tell me.
The sobering reality is I think you're right. I'm obviously upset at the state of the club to the point its clouding my better judgement, to the point I'd be irrationally impatient and borderline hostile to a manager I really don't want us appointing. Don't know, maybe I'm also naively assuming other fans would feel the same for the sake of comforting myself
Everyone is a bit irrational. I fecking hated Mourinho at every club he’s ever been at so had to choke down my loathing when he took over. I ended up trying to be as patient with him as possible for the sake of my own sanity. This whole shit show is painful enough as it is without writing off new managers when they’ve barely got a foot in the door.
Assuming there hasn't been anyone more recent than De Boer, he didn't come directly from Ajax to the Prem for one thing.
And also didn't come to even a top half team, he came to Palace.
But like you say, it can be hit and miss, like their strikers. So how De Boer did is zero relevance to how Ten Hag would do.
The original point was VDS as CEO.. there is no evidence that he is up for the challenge. The experts say he done this and that. They hired a good manager in Ten Hag. That’s it. He took over in 2016 they already had a successful period and already have had a long production line of youth. So tell me Einstein what is so special about VDS?
I would have him in a heartbeat.
He took a really average Liverpool side to within a whisker of winning the PL.
He plays attacking football, which is entertaining and enjoyable to watch. He brings in quality players to fit into a system. He promotes youth, and doesn't take any crap from players. Won a trophy last season, so still on the top of his game at 48.
Only criticism would be the fact that Leicester have tailed off at the end of the last 2 seasons. But this was down to injuries from key players.
With our elite squad and resources he would be leagues ahead of Ole.
He took a really average Liverpool side to within a whisker of winning the PL.
He plays attacking football, which is entertaining and enjoyable to watch. He brings in quality players to fit into a system. He promotes youth, and doesn't take any crap from players. Won a trophy last season, so still on the top of his game at 48.
Only criticism would be the fact that Leicester have tailed off at the end of the last 2 seasons. But this was down to injuries from key players.
With our elite squad and resources he would be leagues ahead of Ole.
He’s a good manager, but my feeling is that the club would prefer to play this season out and find a long term candidate in the summer. There is still a very good chance Pochettino becomes available, if he fails to lead PSG to a champions league win. There could be a few dominos to fall in the summer. Poch gets sacked and United move for him; PSG go for Conte who would happily leave Spurs imo; and Potter goes to Spurs.
I know many are enamoured by Ten Hag but I think a step up to the PL will be too much for him. Poch is probably the preferred choice with Rodgers a close second.
I know many are enamoured by Ten Hag but I think a step up to the PL will be too much for him. Poch is probably the preferred choice with Rodgers a close second.
All I mentioned initially is that I disgree with your argumentation that:
- He isnt suitable as General Director/CEO by definition because he is an ex player
- His achievements at Ajax cannot be accounted for because Ajax has a monopoly in Ajax.
I havent said anything that suggests I think vd Sar should take over at United and that he is something special. He is part of a very strong Ajax organization (which he is partly responsible for) with Overmars (for who by the way prior to his start at Ajax had no evidence to suggest he was up for the Ajax challenge), Menno Geelen (for who by the way prior to his start at Ajax had no evidence to suggest he was up for the Ajax challenge), Erik Ten Hag (for who by the way prior to his start at Ajax had no evidence to suggest he was up for the Ajax challenge) and himself (for who by the way prior to his start at Ajax had no evidence to suggest he was up for the Ajax challenge).
About the bold part. Why do you feel this is necessary?
EDIT: But lets dont go further here on vd Sar or Ajax, I just realized we are in a Brendan Rogers thread.
This is a joke surely? Tielemans for one - you will argue he was at the club on loan already but any club could have signed him for £40m that summer but he wanted to stay at Leicester. Castagne has been a good signing, as has Justin for a young player stepping up to the PL. It is too early to judge this seasons signings. Perez was a reasonable signing at the time but signed for a vastly inflated fee because everyone knew they were banking £80m for Maguire.
You are right, but he won the league 4 out of 6 seasons at Ajax not sure success there is a barometer for a good manager.
Okay …..
Brendan Rodgers inherited this Leicester side largely. The additions during his tenure in charge, have been suspect. We played better football 2 years ago.
Ten Haag, people bang on about his great European record. Realistically, he’s got an easy-ish league game to prepare for and then the real challenge is Europe.
Zidane inherited a wonderful squad but managed the personalities quite well and in a short spell, won an awful lot of silverware. Again though, he did alienate a few. Questions marks will always remain on was his tactical ability, or was it the individual brilliance of prime Ramos, Modric, Bale, Ronaldo etc!
Brendan Rodgers inherited this Leicester side largely. The additions during his tenure in charge, have been suspect. We played better football 2 years ago.
Ten Haag, people bang on about his great European record. Realistically, he’s got an easy-ish league game to prepare for and then the real challenge is Europe.
Zidane inherited a wonderful squad but managed the personalities quite well and in a short spell, won an awful lot of silverware. Again though, he did alienate a few. Questions marks will always remain on was his tactical ability, or was it the individual brilliance of prime Ramos, Modric, Bale, Ronaldo etc!
Why have our standards dropped so much that we're considering an ex-dipper, David Brent impersonator, with a long history of bottling things, an even longer history of being a cringey twat, who is doing shite at Leicester ?
I cannot think of a worse candidate. There would be absolutely no redeeming quality in signing him. At least with Ole he was a club legend and there was an element of unknown.
I cannot think of a worse candidate. There would be absolutely no redeeming quality in signing him. At least with Ole he was a club legend and there was an element of unknown.
Rodgers would not lead United to the title. It would be a sideways step. United should hang fire until someone better is available. Rodgers has done nothing in football to warrant being given the United job.
Good manager Rodgers, deserves his chance. Would be a massive upgrade on Ole. Then again so would my nan.
When Rodgers signed for Celtic - People in North Belfast had the news First
When Rogers signed for Leicester - People in North Belfast had the news First
I am told that certain bookmakers in the North of the City of Belfast took a bit of money on Rogers this morning.
When Rogers signed for Leicester - People in North Belfast had the news First
I am told that certain bookmakers in the North of the City of Belfast took a bit of money on Rogers this morning.
He can't organise a high press therefore he won't be able to win the title. It's that simple.
I was the first to suggest Rodgers over 3 years ago in an old 'next manager' thread. Fair to say I was the only one to mention him and the response was not good.
He'd still be in my top 3 choices but I'd have Ten Hag and Zidane ahead of now.
He'd still be in my top 3 choices but I'd have Ten Hag and Zidane ahead of now.
Dakas gonna be special.
The bullet ends for me at, former Liverpool manager, in regards to him coming here. I love what he has done with my second team Leicester, but he was gunning for Liverpool, once upon a time. No thanks.
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