Would you take a season like Arsenal's previous one if offered now?

Sir Erik ten Hag

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Seeing how much doom and gloom our first 3 matches have brought on here, would people take a season like Arsenal's last one if being offered right now?

That is finishing 2nd after being in a title race for 3/4 of the season, playing good football, but with no trophy. Would you class that as a successful season if we are gonna get it this year?
 
If we played football as good as them too then that would be a dream come true for me right now. If we get there by playing average football and relying on moments to win games, then it would be less impressive. I want to see progress in our style of play and to see something sustainable that could eventually lead to challenging for major trophies, not riding our luck as we have so far and did in many games last season.

What you are proposing is what we should be expecting this season.
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
Seeing how much doom and gloom our first 3 matches have brought on here, would people take a season like Arsenal's last one if being offered right now?

That is finishing 2nd after being in a title race for 3/4 of the season, playing good football, but with no trophy. Would you class that as a successful season if we are gonna get it this year?
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Definitely. They played good, progressive football last season and they got rewarded by getting the CL, second place and the Community Shield.
 
In a heartbeat. They were a really good footballing side and even at the end deserved 2nd. I was/still hoping by TH 3rd season we can get to that level.
 
Absolutely. There were arguably the best team in England in 1st half of season before City went up a gear to win the treble. There no way we could match same level based on what we’ve seen so far.
 
Improving the quality of performances, more points on the board and not suffering any embarrassing heavy defeats should be our goal this season so yeah I’d take that offer.
 
Absolutely not. Too much doom and gloom here. We’ll take confidence from yesterday. We took 4 to 5 games to hit some form last season. Apart from City who have a settled treble winners who expect to win, no one has started the season in full form. There was some early mistakes yesterday. AWB covers his face from the sun to see where the ball was and completely loses out to the header. Rashford was last man, played like an attacker and didn’t sense the danger and then Onana laid on the floor. The second goal was simple mistakes. Apart from the sloppy start which we should start to improve on, we were ok yesterday. I still feel we could do with Amrabat and a decent back up striker. The stats are decent on taiwo awoniyi. A cheeky bid?
 
I'd give my right nut for that.

It's gotten to a stage now where I dread watching this team. I mean FFS even against relegation fodder sides I don't even know whether we can beat them. I have no idea how ETH turns this around but I hope for his sake (and ours) he finds a solution
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
Seeing how much doom and gloom our first 3 matches have brought on here, would people take a season like Arsenal's last one if being offered right now?

That is finishing 2nd after being in a title race for 3/4 of the season, playing good football, but with no trophy. Would you class that as a successful season if we are gonna get it this year?
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Life doesn't work like that mate :wenger:
 
Yes, because on current form and with our current midfield, and unless Hojlund can stay injury free and fulfill his price tag, I don't think we're making top 4 this season let alone coming within an asses roar of a title challenge.

So yes, right now, if by some miracle I'd take the season Arsenal had last year.
 
Arsenal performance wise or position wise?

Cos last year, they had shit ton of luck.
They weren't all that great, they were over performing massively, scored a dozen fluke goals in overtime, rode their luck for months....

Arteta was being a massive cnut and the refs were buying everything that was on sale.

I wasn't all that thrilled with their performances.

Position wise, sure, I'd take a title charge any day of the week.
 
In total, Arsenal spent 248 days at the top of the league last season. Not in the history of English top-flight football has any team been leading for so long without going on to win the whole thing. I'd take that.
 
Nah I wouldn't.
At the end of the day for all the Arsenal worshipping in the media and by fans, they didn't win anything.
I'm good.
 
Obviously. Right now we look like we'll struggle to hold down a Champions League place or even finish with a positive GD.
 
Top 4 and trophyless? I mean it’s hardly something to write home about.

People have such a hard on for Arsenal last year who threw everything at the league at the expense of the cups and ultimately shit the bed.

Our season last season was on paper far better.
 
No.

1. I think we are capable of winning one of the cups again
2. I still think we can qualify for the CL in the top 5
 
Confused about this thread. How could anyone say no to that question? Being in a title race for the entire season while playing brilliant attacking football would be an absolute dream.
 
Yes. We haven't been in a title race in 10 years.

It'd be a great sign of progress.
 
Why would you choose a season of nothing but failure? We want to win something again.
 
Of course not, they won feck all and their cup performances were meh at best.
 
Would I take a season that’s better than the miserable one I am expecting? Why yes I think I might.
 
On the one hand, they still ended the season empty handed. I think we can win something this year, so no.

On the other hand, if we don’t sort ourselves out it could be a miserable year. Not sure I see the point of being involved in a title race if ultimately you know you won’t win it though.
 
The wanking over Arsenal's season on here, when they finished second and erm won nothing.
 
Of course. The quality of football was better than we had ever been post SAF, and they got more points than we ever did post SAF, and were in a title challenge that we didn’t ever manage post SAF.
 
Obviously.

To be genuine title challengers is where Utd should be.
 
Obviously.

A good league season for us would be finishing in the CL places again while improving as a team (in terms of goals, style of play, underlying stats, etc.) Leaving us primed to push on and really challenge for the league next season.

Arsenal's campaign last season was more than that. Put in a title challenge this season and we're ahead of schedule as a team, and we won't do it without improving in all those other areas.
 
Obviously. Doing something like that will give you a lot to build on for the upcoming years. With a few good signings you would have a good shot at the Premier League and Champions League.
 
The only thing Arsenal won last season are the hearts of so many so called utd fans it seems :rolleyes:

They were in a false position all season and ended up potless once the games caught up

No thanks, I'll take my chances with actually trying to win the trophies on offer this year than just settle for nothing after 3 games
 
No. We have a different set of problems to Arsenal. Ownership issues, U Turns in decision making at board level, unrest in the staffing departments, not to mention the glaring holes in our playing squad.

If we were to have a season like that, it would be used to mask over the issues I have mentioned above.

What I want to see is Manchester United working in tandem and synchronised across all departments. That starts with a change of ownership. That is how you get the team challenging for not just one season but 4 or 5 seasons. Which is what we should be doing.
 
Of course I would. A title challenge would represent the greatest step forward since the Fergie days.

Anyone saying no in favour of another League Cup has strange priorities.
 
Of course, they got 84 points - higher than we've got since Ferguson, and scored 88 goals - significantly more than we've scored in any season since Fergie. Both 80+ points and 80+ goals are a sign towards future success, one of the main reasons we haven't competed is because we can't achieve either of those. Just a paltry 58 goals last season. To score 30 more goals this season would 1) make fans happier as everyone likes to see their team score, and a sign of better football 2) be the surest sign that this team is on the road to future success.

But in reality scoring 88 goals this season in the league would require the likes of Antony and Sancho to become players they simply haven't shown they are so far, or Hojlund to be as good as Haaland.
 
It's not the result, they played good football with a younger team to build on. If we can play well consistently, results will come.
 
It really depends on how you weigh performance versus outcomes.

In terms of outcomes they didn't achieve anything last season. But in terms of performances they were the second best team in the league both on paper and in reality.

And when it comes to projecting forward, performances count for a lot more than outcomes. There's good reason Arsenal predicted to finish ahead of us this season, second favourites to win the league behind City, despite us having won a trophy last season while they didn't.

To my mind finishing the season in that position, where we're rightly regarded as having been the second best team in the league this season and most likely to challenge City for the title the following season, would be an extremely good place to be. And more significant in terms of our progress under ETH than another cup win while not looking like a title challenger, even if the cup itself is a better prize.
 
Of course, let us rave on how good Arsenal were last season and completely forget that it took them 3 years with Arteta, finishing 8th two seasons in a row, then 5th and also after changing almost the whole squad.

Success doesn’t happen overnight
 
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Results wise of course if fecking was. Coming second counts for feck all over 4th other than fake bragging rights.
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Playing miles better football and being in a miles better position in terms of challenging for the title in the coming years matters. The other is such a narrow-minded perspective.
 
Absolutely yes. As things stand I can’t see us finishing in the top 6. So a second place finish with good entertaining football would be brilliant.
 
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