Would a relegated United be the biggest shock in English football?

Those of us who can remember 1974 said at the time that United would never be relegated. Look what happened. If history does truly repeat itself, then, to paraphrase Marx, it does so first as tragedy and then as farce. 1974 was a tragedy.

Not old enough to remember that as I was born 5 years later. Hope I'm not just comforting myself, would think they were different times.

There seemed to be more scope for movements up and down the table from one season to the next, more chance of some of the lets call them provincial clubs to do well and everything looks like it was less set in stone in terms of established pecking order. I know we were poor the season before that too, but still.

3rd to 6th was Derby, Ipswich, Stoke, Burnley for example. Clubs of that kind of stature can't really hope to get that high these days and if they ever did it would be 1 of them, not 4 clubs like that. Stoke were 15th the previous season, Burnley were newly promoted. It's sad from a sporting perspective and makes things more stale but that's the way it is.

Works the other way around as well. The birth of the true superclubs in the era of huge sponsorships, European prize money, overseas fans adding to club coffers, the globalisation of the league and how it all accumulates year after year for certain teams like never before means it's so much more unlikely for one of the supposed big clubs to drop now too. Everything more set in stone due to all that extra wonga and less dramatic movements up or down the table by and large.

Even when people were saying Ten Hag out voters would have sacked Fergie after his initial period of the club ties into all that. Different era from then as well in those same kind of terms. I do remember those days (as well as 10 year old can), and while there was always a lot of pressure on the big clubs to do well it seemed slightly lesser, clubs didn't sack a manger quite as often as they do now and it was more understood that these big climbs or falls up and down could happen because they did happen more often then. Everything more cemented now including it being a lot less likely for a club like ours to be relegated.
 
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It would be a huge shock, but even though things are bad at the moment, as others have said, there's at least 4 teams who are shocking.


I think we'd need to end the season on 30-33pts to get relegated,I don't think we're that bad!
Yeah we've already got 11 points too despite being terrible, so if we keep at that trajectory we will get 46 points, which would be nowhere near relegation. So we would have to get considerably worse than this to even be near it, never mind relegated. Three teams this season haven't even won a game yet, but they think we'll get relegated.
 
Yeah we've already got 11 points too despite being terrible, so if we keep at that trajectory we will get 46 points, which would be nowhere near relegation. So we would have to get considerably worse than this to even be near it, never mind relegated. Three teams this season haven't even won a game yet, but they think we'll get relegated.
All I'm saying is that there is a trend, and that trend is down, we will not get relegated this season, as you have pointed out mathematically we are safe.
The problem is that with this manager and his "process" we could be on the same trajectory next season
 
All I'm saying is that there is a trend, and that trend is down, we will not get relegated this season, as you have pointed out mathematically we are safe.
The problem is that with this manager and his "process" we could be on the same trajectory next season
The manager won't survive though to a point where it's even close to being a threat. What usually happens then if even the worst seasons of the richer teams in the league, is that they fly up the table with a new manager and finish just outside Europe. It's still a bad season but not that level of bad.
 
The manager won't survive though to a point where it's even close to being a threat. What usually happens then if even the worst seasons of the richer teams in the league, is that they fly up the table with a new manager and finish just outside Europe. It's still a bad season but not that level of bad.
If that's the case, why hasn't the board reacted, what are they seeing in these performances that we are not ?
What is happening out on the pitch to convince them that ETH is the man to take the team forward?
These are genuine questions that a lot of fans are asking, no-one is giving the answers, we just have to have faith in the "process"
 
What would actually be the biggest shock in English football?

1. United sacking Erik ten Hag (and hiring a decent replacement)

2. United being relegated?

Sorry for my ranting today, but I just don't understand how we're stuck with this manager. Goes beyond my imagination.
 
Don’t care how much people protest, we are in a relegation fight this season. On current projection and the way we play, could this United team getting relegated be the biggest shock in English football?

No team is too big to go down and if you aren’t genuinely concerned about us then you aren’t watching us this season.
Give over.

With the likes of Ipswich, Southampton, Everton and Leicester in there we'll be fine.

It'll just be battling for 6th at absolute glass ceiling best is the problem, but much more likely 8th again.
 
Right, we are shit, but we are much more likely to finish top 4 than be relegated.
 
You obviously haven't looked at our games for November and December, Chelsea, Leicester, Ipswich, Everton, Arsenal, Forest, Man City, Bournemouth, Wolves, Newcastle 30 pts up for grabs, realistically how many do you see us getting?
Are you kidding me? 13-15 points isn’t hard to achieve there, which would make us on 24-26 points half way through the season. On top of that it must be close to record low points the current relegation fodder is at right now. Are you actual serious in thinking we’ll be in the relegationbattle?
 
We aren't getting relegated, not this season, but we're starting to get comfortable around places in the table that we haven't seen since the 80s. The league isn't what it used to be, there are plenty of good clubs playing decent football that can brush aside easily if you can't stop the decline.
 
Are you kidding me? 13-15 points isn’t hard to achieve there, which would make us on 24-26 points half way through the season. On top of that it must be close to record low points the current relegation fodder is at right now. Are you actual serious in thinking we’ll be in the relegationbattle?
No I'm not kidding you, did you not see todays result?
We lost to West Ham, we are not scoring, we have a -goal difference
I'm not saying we will be relegated this season, what I am saying is that our trend is down, and it's very hard to get out of losing mindset
 
We’re 9 games in and the bottom three have yet to win. I think we’ll be alright.
 
Don’t care how much people protest, we are in a relegation fight this season. On current projection and the way we play, could this United team getting relegated be the biggest shock in English football?

No team is too big to go down and if you aren’t genuinely concerned about us then you aren’t watching us this season.
Simmer down never happening
 
Two teams from Manchester getting relegated in a single year would be a huge shock, yes.
 
This season seems to be developing like 2023/24 did for York City. Under Neal Ardley they appeared to be plummeting down to National League North, but he was replaced just in time by Adam Hinshelwood and everything turned about dramatically. Now they are flying and looking good for promotion to League Two. The question then, is this: can Manchester United find their Adam Hinshelwood?
Why don't we get The Adam Hinshelwood ?
 
As fecked off as I am right now and want him sacked tonight there is no way we are getting relegated.

I remember when Moyes had us scrapping outside the top four. Lots of posters on this forum were like: 'Finish outside the top four? Don't be ridiculous!'

We did.

I rule nothing out. The underlying stats under ETH are horrendous. The man is hopelessly out of his depth.
 
Not this season but give ETH another £600M and a couple of years and I am sure he will get it done for us.
 
I remember when Moyes had us scrapping outside the top four. Lots of posters on this forum were like: 'Finish outside the top four? Don't be ridiculous!'

We did.

I rule nothing out. The underlying stats under ETH are horrendous. The man is hopelessly out of his depth.
I still think there's virtually no chance of relegation even if ten Hag sees out the season, but, yeah, people shouldn't continue overlooking the underlying stats that have been staring us in the face for almost two years now.

At the beginning, people mocked them because we were (fortunately) acquiring points. As the stats suggested/predicted, though, we've gradually been getting worse and worse, and it's not stopping. We're still in free fall.
 
Three teams are yet to win a game, almost 10 games in. The bottom quarter of teams are horrendous this year. We won't get relegated even if the players coached themselves.
 
I make this the 3rd or 4th season in recent years that we have at least entertained the idea of relegation which is wild.