What I've found funny is that the media and oppo fans (too dumb to think for themselves and believe everything they read) crucified us the last few years for spendign too much money, not giving our current players (which they said were shite) a chance but now they are crucifying us for not spending money and not upgrading what's at the club yet wanked themselves crazy over City's spending over the years and Liverpool's this year.
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It's the ONLY medicine. It's vital we make a strong start to the season, otherwise the discontent will quickly emerge.
Thankfully it's over now and we can concentrate on the new season. Hard to take, the fact that the sum total of our efforts to maintain our position and try to catch Citeh is buying Fred! A bit depressing for a club of our stature. It's hard to know with certainty who we were after but a part of me suspects players might be reluctant to come play for Mourinho these days. Just a thought...
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I'm absolutely flabbergasted that we still have players in the squad that were told they could leave 12 to 24 months ago. Someone isn't doing their job properly.
We'll never be able to please the ABU's; they will beat us with any stick. We need to ensure we are doing the right thing regarding signings, and the squad isn't quite in the shape we hoped for at this stage.
Can we not get players on loan? If so i wouldn't be suprised to see Boateng arrive, maybe even Tony A with a paid loan with the option to buy.
Actually this. Why on earth do we always have difficulty selling anybody? Everybody expects us to give away players for nearly free but then quotes ridiculous prices when we try to buy.
We have been outspent by City for 10+ years. We just finished 20 points behind them, they can afford to bring in one player to a squad that's breaking records we can't.
Who were these players by the way?
I dunno, but I’m pretty sure that Jose doesn’t want to work with Smalling, Mata or Shaw. So why are they still here?
I guess you’ll support Valencia that time of night.
Imagine what the atmosphere will be after first spell of bad results.
Our manager and the board are divided, the fans are divided and bad press is all over us after some shocking pre-season displays.
We're in the fecking gloom for couple of months now, so we need a good start of the season like never before.
You can understand both sides of the dispute, so we're going to be arguing in here till Jose's sacked some day. That's certain.
1. Mourinho could and should do more with players he's got, but the board should also provided players he's asked for, or at least cooperate with the scouts and present some alternatives. Mourinho doesn't have to know every player in the world, thats the scouts job to do research for him.
2. After seeing what happened to Bailly/Lindelof money, I can see the the board's point of view to not overpay for another CBs. But, on the other hand, we all know we need a readymade CB, so why aren't they getting this done for the team?
3. Inability to get rid of deadwood is on the board as well. Giving 5yr contract to Rojo, not letting Darmian leave on a cheap risking paying him for another season, not willing to get rid of Shaw (pretty sure Mourinho wanted new LB), Martial etc. I can see Martial being a financial asset, but what about Darmian or Shaw? If a player can't take his chances 4 years in a row, sell him and use the money to improve.
4. If you hire proven, world class manager, you back him in the market. If you trust your manager you back him in the market. If there's no trust, why bothering with the manager at all?
Trying to think positive, as there's lots of room for improvement with additions of Sanchez/Fred/Pereira/Dalot, but unfortunetely it seems like beggining of the end for Mourinho. He didn't get the players he wanted and he won't certainly be willing to take the hit after some bad results, he'll throw players and board under the bus saying "that's the squad they gave me, didn't get the players I want" etc. He's already started that during pre-season.
Our manager and the board are divided, the fans are divided and bad press is all over us after some shocking pre-season displays.
We're in the fecking gloom for couple of months now, so we need a good start of the season like never before.
You can understand both sides of the dispute, so we're going to be arguing in here till Jose's sacked some day. That's certain.
1. Mourinho could and should do more with players he's got, but the board should also provided players he's asked for, or at least cooperate with the scouts and present some alternatives. Mourinho doesn't have to know every player in the world, thats the scouts job to do research for him.
2. After seeing what happened to Bailly/Lindelof money, I can see the the board's point of view to not overpay for another CBs. But, on the other hand, we all know we need a readymade CB, so why aren't they getting this done for the team?
3. Inability to get rid of deadwood is on the board as well. Giving 5yr contract to Rojo, not letting Darmian leave on a cheap risking paying him for another season, not willing to get rid of Shaw (pretty sure Mourinho wanted new LB), Martial etc. I can see Martial being a financial asset, but what about Darmian or Shaw? If a player can't take his chances 4 years in a row, sell him and use the money to improve.
4. If you hire proven, world class manager, you back him in the market. If you trust your manager you back him in the market. If there's no trust, why bothering with the manager at all?
Trying to think positive, as there's lots of room for improvement with additions of Sanchez/Fred/Pereira/Dalot, but unfortunetely it seems like beggining of the end for Mourinho. He didn't get the players he wanted and he won't certainly be willing to take the hit after some bad results, he'll throw players and board under the bus saying "that's the squad they gave me, didn't get the players I want" etc. He's already started that during pre-season.
I expected Darmain and Rojo and one or two others to have been moved on by now. There's still time to sort some departures.
Pretty much all LVG's signing's, including Shaw, Darmian, Mata and more recently Martial.
We've managed to get rid of a load of them but we just can't move some of the absolute shit due to their wages. There's also this instance on getting a good deal when we sell for some reason. We're not a selling club, we shouldn't be concerned with sell on fee's or returns, we should just release if they're not good enough to play for us.
We can only hope that some of our players are to be sold in the European market. I'd rather see us go down to bare bones and have to play some kids from the reserve team, that's how Rashford and Lingard got their chances, look at them now.
Our player recruitment has been pretty disappointing for the most part. I agree we have areas of the team requiring significant improvements but we have bought lots of expensive players and they all seem to deteriorate when they arrive.
It looks like it is time for the players we already have to step up and show their talent. And Jose needs to get them playing as a team, with some confidence and enthusiasm again.
It looks like it is time for the players we already have to step up and show their talent. And Jose needs to get them playing as a team, with some confidence and enthusiasm again.
What's your point? We just got Dalot to replace Valencia on RB...
for LB we have Young and Shaw.
Plus Darmian can play either side. We don't need fullbacks.
Ideally yes we would get someone like Alex Sandro to replace Shaw but real life is not football manager nor fifa.
Well we have spent a lot over the last few years and it got us nowhere. Spending money for the sake of it is hardly ever a solution.
If our main targets were not available then it’s the right move to try and get something more out of the current team plus Fred and Dalot.
I agree, I can't get that excited for the season knowing we will probably play the same negative football again and this time Jose will have an excuse for it too.
So all those lads were told by Jose they could go 12-24 months ago by Jose and you know this how?
Not backing managers in transfer markets generally only mean one thing. The club doesn't believe you are staying around. That's the same at Spurs.....Wouldnt surprise me if we don't see the Spurs manager here at some point this season.
What I can’t understand is what it is our scouting network does. We must have dozens of scouts based across the globe but when is the last time we unearthed a genuine unknown, young talent who progressed into the first team?
Harry Maguire, for instance. Why do we wait until he’s been capped, had a good World Cup and had a £60m fee slapped on him until we’re interested?
Our whole transfer strategy could as easily be drawn up on a beer mat by half a dozen fans sat in the pub all day, eating crisps.
Harry Maguire, for instance. Why do we wait until he’s been capped, had a good World Cup and had a £60m fee slapped on him until we’re interested?
Our whole transfer strategy could as easily be drawn up on a beer mat by half a dozen fans sat in the pub all day, eating crisps.
Have to hope that Shaw comes good and Dalot turns out to be a wonder kid. And that Bailley somehow manages to avoid spending most of the season in the sick room.
A lot of hoping involved.
It seems mad that five years and three managers after Sir Alex retired Jones and Smalling are still here and Young and Valencia are the likely first choice full backs.
A lot of hoping involved.
It seems mad that five years and three managers after Sir Alex retired Jones and Smalling are still here and Young and Valencia are the likely first choice full backs.
We are perpetuating the gloom narrative started by Mourinho and the press. Mourinho, due to self-interest and the press is just obsessed with United. Most teams and fans in the World world would be salivating with the players we have at the club. I'm not saying we shouldn't try and improve if there are better players out there and finances allow. Whatever the reasons it did not happen.
We finished second and reached the final of the FA Cup. We have signed Fred and Dalot. Judging by pre-season games if we'd just purchased Pereira for 50 Million we would have been happy. Sanchez should be a lot better now he's had summer off and settled. Pogba and Martial should in all probabilities have a better season. Even if the team improve by 5% we should be a lot better than the last season.
We finished second and reached the final of the FA Cup. We have signed Fred and Dalot. Judging by pre-season games if we'd just purchased Pereira for 50 Million we would have been happy. Sanchez should be a lot better now he's had summer off and settled. Pogba and Martial should in all probabilities have a better season. Even if the team improve by 5% we should be a lot better than the last season.
And that’s kinda the crux of the matter, none of us no mark cnuts know what’s going on, how to deal with transfers, run a club. We have opinions and that’s great, we get sucked in by journalists, some Good, most are full of shit.
Yes we love to speculate, yes we love a new signing, god knows I never really used to care/understand the when and wherefores, you probably picked up a paper one morning and it was done( I remember being in Greece on my hols when I’d seen we’d signed York, 2 days later than it was announced and being utterly fecked off) look how that turned out.
Why havent we signed a player to fill the glaring hole on the right while city have signed Mahrez when they dont even need him? We will be lucky to get top 4 this season when we had the chance to improve and close the gap on city. We need to accept the owners are satisfied with top 4 and big sponsorship deals for the forseeable future.
While I agree with all of that, I think it ignores what I think is the fact that over two years Mourinho has either shown a limited capacity to improve/get a tune out of what he has to work with, quite a few of whom he has made it clear he doesn’t fancy. So yeah, there are a lot of good players there, but outside of some sort of imagined utopia, I struggle to see why things would suddenly change at this point without better/more suitable players being brought in. For me, this has the feel of inevitability about it; not bringing in the players that Mourinho claims are necessary to be successful wot suddenly spur him on get the best out in of the current squad, it’ll just see the pattern of the last two seasons repeated until the pressure just becomes unbearable.
I really I’m wrong obviously but it just feels to me like he needs to roll too many sixes this season to avoid the perception of failure.
The club has been briefing against their own manager tonight. How does that usually end?
Let’s hope we don’t lose to Leicester or I can’t imagine what will happen on here
Not signing Mahrez isn't the boards fault. That's on Jose. The board are willing to spend when there's value for money. Jose wants the likes of Willian and Perisic. He probably thinks Mahrez is too lightweight.
If that briefing above is genuine, on the eve of a new season, then I'm calling it early. The end is nigh. Won't go beyond this season...
Denying reality doesn't stop it from slapping you on the face.
This pre-season/transfer window was a clear prelude to the famous and predictable Mourinho meltdown. He comes, he wins, he implodes and leaves among ruins. Only this time he didn't win much, because he's outdated and refuses to see it.
If you are behind Mourinho by know, you are not supporting the club, but rather you are against it.
#mourinhoout and the sooner we can begin rebuilding the better.
This pre-season/transfer window was a clear prelude to the famous and predictable Mourinho meltdown. He comes, he wins, he implodes and leaves among ruins. Only this time he didn't win much, because he's outdated and refuses to see it.
If you are behind Mourinho by know, you are not supporting the club, but rather you are against it.
#mourinhoout and the sooner we can begin rebuilding the better.
So Ed Woodward is now making football decisions and not backing the manager's judgement. Jose is going to be super pissed off.
Jose identified targets who he believed would improve the team, that were within budget, and Woodward has basically said to him "they're good players Jose but I personally don't think they're good enough to be spending X amount of cash"
This is all going to end very badly, unless out of nowhere some of the average players in our squad have cracking seasons and as a team we surprise everyone.
Jose will either pull a rabbit out of the hat or throw a grenade on his way out. Either way, I doubt it will be boring.
The lack of meltdown on the caf is concerning.
Well the stories last night released saying Woody blocked all Joses targets saying they were no better than was at the club doesnt bode well.
Whether you agree with Jose or Woody its totally undermining of the manager. Any way 4-0 tonight.
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