Because we only can register 25 man squad for 21+ years old players
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Because we only can register 25 man squad for 21+ years old players
We have a transfer strategy?
No.
Buying, or trying to buy, whoever the manager wants isn't a “strategy”. That term normally implies that the club – beyond the manager – is looking to bring in players according to long-term plans, that it favours certain profiles over others, etc.
I think those panicking need to calm down.
We aren't being linked to many recently but the start of the summer we were linked with every CB going. I think this is the calm before the storm for us and many other clubs, as the deadline approaches.
I don't want to be buying for the sake of buying, do you? If the right player comes along who will improve us then great, if not we will work with the very good squad we have.
We aren't being linked to many recently but the start of the summer we were linked with every CB going. I think this is the calm before the storm for us and many other clubs, as the deadline approaches.
I don't want to be buying for the sake of buying, do you? If the right player comes along who will improve us then great, if not we will work with the very good squad we have.
I dont understand it myself but also completely disagree with your assessment. £50 million for Toby is expensive for example.
Sounds more like OP doesn't understand the transfer strategy that unreliable newspapers are saying we have. If we look back at signings we have actually made in the past, they make sense. What newspapers lie about often doesn't
I dont understand the original post !
City have signed Mahrez (although they already have a great super squad)
Lpool have strengthened yet I still dont see them a threat - lots of unproven players
Spurs - seem they wont make any decent signings
Chelsea - new coach - jorginho in (never impress me in the serie a), Courtois dead certain to leave and a big question mark on willian and hazard.
Arsenal - new coach - new signings not brilliant, they won't challenge for the top 4 let alone the league
Utd: we needed a cm and we got Fred, we needed a rb ot backup rb and we got Dalo, we still need a LB as a priority and maybe a cb - 3 more weeks left and we are better then 4 of the above mentioned clubs.
City have signed Mahrez (although they already have a great super squad)
Lpool have strengthened yet I still dont see them a threat - lots of unproven players
Spurs - seem they wont make any decent signings
Chelsea - new coach - jorginho in (never impress me in the serie a), Courtois dead certain to leave and a big question mark on willian and hazard.
Arsenal - new coach - new signings not brilliant, they won't challenge for the top 4 let alone the league
Utd: we needed a cm and we got Fred, we needed a rb ot backup rb and we got Dalo, we still need a LB as a priority and maybe a cb - 3 more weeks left and we are better then 4 of the above mentioned clubs.
RW is very urgent as well.
I literally wasted a few minutes of my life reading that ridiculous OP. It was so bad in fact that I just had to waste a little more to note how much of a waste of time it was.
I don't think there's a strategy to understand. Random bollocks is what it looks like at this point.
I love people create all kinds of stories based on nothing. Take all transfers done and then create a story on it. Hilarious stuff like City were desperately aiming for Mahrez. As if they had no enough players
Here’s something that I haven’t seen mentioned but perhaps Jose for whatever reason is happy with his options.
The 2 positions mentioned most are LB and RW. Those are occupied by Young and Lingard. Jose clearly rates them both. If we could get an undisputed world class player like Bale or Alex Sandro for those spots I’m sure we’d be all over that. But if the options were an overpriced Tierney and Mahrez, not sure he’d make a move.
Plus with the World Cup it was kind of hard to get players. What’s the most common phrase “right now I’m focused on (whatever country), I’ll decide my future after the World Cup”. I’m sure Sandro is available, but unless they say you’re rotting on the bench he’d be stupid to leave Juventus now.
I’m not saying I’m happy with the squad either, but I just think the manager is happy with what he has rather than any incompetence by the club itself.
The 2 positions mentioned most are LB and RW. Those are occupied by Young and Lingard. Jose clearly rates them both. If we could get an undisputed world class player like Bale or Alex Sandro for those spots I’m sure we’d be all over that. But if the options were an overpriced Tierney and Mahrez, not sure he’d make a move.
Plus with the World Cup it was kind of hard to get players. What’s the most common phrase “right now I’m focused on (whatever country), I’ll decide my future after the World Cup”. I’m sure Sandro is available, but unless they say you’re rotting on the bench he’d be stupid to leave Juventus now.
I’m not saying I’m happy with the squad either, but I just think the manager is happy with what he has rather than any incompetence by the club itself.
Fred?
50 mill is a very large sum, even if in this market. It makes him our fourth most expensive signing ever, and puts him somewhere around 10th in Premier League incomings.
My thoughts are that we could be done with signings..
August 2017: Mourinho was pretty clear that he wanted another attacker and 1-to-2 midfielders to replace Carrick and potentially Fellaini. Since then we have brought in Alexis Sanchez, re-signed Fellaini and Fred has also replaced Carrick. Diogo Dalot has also come in, and I believe he will be given chances on both sides of defence. Some posters on here also feel that he also has the potential to also play further forward at some stage, ala Gareth Bale, Ryan Sessegnon.
We're trying to shift a few players, and any further incoming transfers depend on these players leaving. Blind has gone, and Darmian is by most accounts next. I think there's something in the Alex Sandro talk, but at the same time we are also prepared to make do with Ashley "official FIFA first-team left-back of Russia 2018' Young, Luke Shaw and Diogo Dalot on occasions. On the right we have Valencia, Dalot and perhaps Timbo.
We can only register a limited number of players for the squad, and at centre-half alone we have 6/7 players. That's insane! We've stockpiled almost-but-not-quite good enough injury prone central defenders for about 5 years now, with no standout pairing. I'd love a nailed on starter to come in (Alderweireld, Godin, Koulibaly) but the Club perhaps rightfully feel that we need to wait until a few of our contracts either expire or we receive a decent offer for someone like Phil Jones.
Ed has an obvious hardcore thirst for Gareth Bale, so he's probably the wildcard at this stage. If we don't pull this off then I feel that Jose is happy enough to use Martial when and where need be. If we're looking to move towards a 5-3-2, then in Lukaku, Martial, Rashford & Sanchez, we have enough options for the two advanced positions. It also negates the need for a right-winger as Valencia, Dalot and Lingard (gulp) will play wing-back.
My ideal scenario sees all of Darmian,Jones and Rojo leave, making way for a new LB and CB. I realise this is unlikely though.
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Can you guys explain what our transfer strategy is?
This. Out transfer strategy has generally been aimless, going after names rather than hungry, talented players that suit the team. The fact that our defense still largely consists of Fergie era players despite spending big on Rojo, Bailly, Blind, Lindeloff, Luke Shaw etc points to poor strategy. Seems like we are after Maguire now, who tbf is a good player, but why didn’t we go after him when he was at Hull? It was clear then (we played Marco Silva’s Hull in the league cup 2 semis and Premier in short succession) that he was a standout defender. Why not bid then?
Then Bale - we keep courting and bidding for him, and he clearly wants to stay put. At some point can we move on into players who would love to play for us?
It’s not that complicated to get a deal done. We hear that Woodward has been courting Cristiano openly for 5 years - well, Juve got it done in 2 weeks
Now they’re going to sell Higuain and Rugani to Abramovich and they have raised all the transfer cash for Ronaldo. That’s how a good club is run.
I don't think we are that clueless at transfers, why we look like this compared to City, Liverpool and Spurs is that they all have fixed their major issues and are trying to plug small holes or try to improve bench strength but we on the other hand have so many holes to plug and major issues to fix.
We are in need of fullbacks, CBs, a right sided attacker , a number 10 too if you ask me(Lingard won't cut it despite his improvements).
We are in need of fullbacks, CBs, a right sided attacker , a number 10 too if you ask me(Lingard won't cut it despite his improvements).
I love tactics just fine, but basically the market is to sign players good enough to start for us to play under our manager's style of play and have us challenge for the league and the CL.
I think Mourinho will get performances like that from Pogba, De Gea, Lukaku, Sanchez and Matic.
Then we've got Fred who has presumably been signed because of that quality.
Martial and Rashford are young and good enough for one to emerge alongside Sanchez and Lukaku up top. Mourinho won the treble with Etoo and Pandev out wide. Bailly similarly at CB is good and young enough to produce a great season if he is healthy.
Not sure I'd be even reasonably confident about anyone else doing it, though Lindelof, Shaw (though he might not really matter if we sign an LB), Lingard and even Dalot can't be counted out and we do have some older players who could have a career season I suppose (Valencia has gotten very very good defensively, if he was able to cobble together a few more assists this year somehow we'd probably look back on his year as good enough. Jones I suppose could suddenly get there, though personally I doubt it.
Basically, as much as Bale or whatever would be nice, we need to sign at least one starting fullback and likely a CB too, then get a breakout from Martial or Rashford, Bailly to have the year he's certainly capable of, Fred to hit and someone to have a great year at RB from Valencia, Dalot or Young, or at least Mourinho to find a way to platoon them with Valencia around to defend and Young to give us crossing from there or Dalot size, athleticism and possibly even technique.
If we come out of August with the 2 defenders we need then I'd say we've had a good summer and should be in position to be a proper feck off Mourinho side that isn't great to watch but gets great results, but 3 or 4 serious question marks in the side will decide things.
On the other hand, City played a bunch of whatever at LB with Mendy out and won the league by a mile, so who knows if that much quality under Mourinho would still lack the consistent offensive punch or Atletico fire and defending to challenge for the league.
I think Mourinho will get performances like that from Pogba, De Gea, Lukaku, Sanchez and Matic.
Then we've got Fred who has presumably been signed because of that quality.
Martial and Rashford are young and good enough for one to emerge alongside Sanchez and Lukaku up top. Mourinho won the treble with Etoo and Pandev out wide. Bailly similarly at CB is good and young enough to produce a great season if he is healthy.
Not sure I'd be even reasonably confident about anyone else doing it, though Lindelof, Shaw (though he might not really matter if we sign an LB), Lingard and even Dalot can't be counted out and we do have some older players who could have a career season I suppose (Valencia has gotten very very good defensively, if he was able to cobble together a few more assists this year somehow we'd probably look back on his year as good enough. Jones I suppose could suddenly get there, though personally I doubt it.
Basically, as much as Bale or whatever would be nice, we need to sign at least one starting fullback and likely a CB too, then get a breakout from Martial or Rashford, Bailly to have the year he's certainly capable of, Fred to hit and someone to have a great year at RB from Valencia, Dalot or Young, or at least Mourinho to find a way to platoon them with Valencia around to defend and Young to give us crossing from there or Dalot size, athleticism and possibly even technique.
If we come out of August with the 2 defenders we need then I'd say we've had a good summer and should be in position to be a proper feck off Mourinho side that isn't great to watch but gets great results, but 3 or 4 serious question marks in the side will decide things.
On the other hand, City played a bunch of whatever at LB with Mendy out and won the league by a mile, so who knows if that much quality under Mourinho would still lack the consistent offensive punch or Atletico fire and defending to challenge for the league.
I felt going into summer the main priority should be improving what we have and developing a better system with more attacking intent and joy in the play.
Saying that, im truly staggered we haven't addressed left back and right wing. Still time but surprised it wasnt being done in close season
Saying that, im truly staggered we haven't addressed left back and right wing. Still time but surprised it wasnt being done in close season
Well is Alison for 75m a transfer strategy to you ? Jizz , I don't think anyone can have a real one these days , it's all about money and sensitive players-millionaires .
First off all, Mourinho said we have enough attackers/forwards. So the signing of another is very unlikely unless you want to see Martial/Sanchez/Lingard/Rashford/Mata go.
So there won't be a RW signing like the caf wanted.
We made our midfield signing with Fred, plus another signing (Fellaini
) and Pereira set to stay here. So no more Midfield signing.
We are fully loaded in the center back area. No chance there, with Axel looking to pounce on any chance for the first team.
Full backs we have Dalot who can play both sides and Shaw who is set to fight for his last season here. Valencia and Young to remain as the established players.
So we won't sign another.
I see nothing strange, this is just being spoiled and thinking that signing players are the way to improve. The big signing this season is his new backroom staff, something new cooking up for the new season hopefully.
So there won't be a RW signing like the caf wanted.
We made our midfield signing with Fred, plus another signing (Fellaini
) and Pereira set to stay here. So no more Midfield signing.We are fully loaded in the center back area. No chance there, with Axel looking to pounce on any chance for the first team.
Full backs we have Dalot who can play both sides and Shaw who is set to fight for his last season here. Valencia and Young to remain as the established players.
So we won't sign another.
I see nothing strange, this is just being spoiled and thinking that signing players are the way to improve. The big signing this season is his new backroom staff, something new cooking up for the new season hopefully.
Yeah. I'd rather we wait a year out for Toby (if it means we get him on a free, 50Mn is too expensive right now) and focus on LB and RW before anything else.
This is actually one of our problems. We have too many mediocre players in every position. We have not been able to get rid of our deadwood. Just take our right wing. Who do we actually have playing there. Mata and Lingard (sometimes). We clearly need an upgrade there, no doubts. We have Young and Shaw at LB which seriously is not good enough. At CB, we have plenty of players but not one guy is a standout starter. Each and everyone has clear flaws in his game which I don't need to elaborate as everyone here knows it already. At RB, we have Valencia and Dalot which I'm OK with as long as Dalot slowly starts replacing Valencia. Overall, we have quantity but no quality in our squad.First off all, Mourinho said we have enough attackers/forwards. So the signing of another is very unlikely unless you want to see Martial/Sanchez/Lingard/Rashford/Mata go.
So there won't be a RW signing like the caf wanted.
We made our midfield signing with Fred, plus another signing (Fellaini
We are fully loaded in the center back area. No chance there, with Axel looking to pounce on any chance for the first team.
Full backs we have Dalot who can play both sides and Shaw who is set to fight for his last season here. Valencia and Young to remain as the established players.
So we won't sign another.
I see nothing strange, this is just being spoiled and thinking that signing players are the way to improve. The big signing this season is his new backroom staff, something new cooking up for the new season hopefully.
@endless_wheelies Since Jose came, our transfer strategy has been pretty straightforward so far. In his first season, we targeted 4 players and got them all. Next season, we got Lukaku, Matic and Sanchez who are all top quality. Only this season has been a little confusing but I'm sure we have certain targets in mind and trying to work on them. We already got Fred and Dalot. We just need one top RW and LB. We can postpone the CB signing for one more season.
There isn't strategy as such, it's just that manager identifies players and he gets them. Jose got every player he wanted or alternatives except Perisic. We have to wait for few more weeks to see what will happen in this window.
I'm sure Jose will make other quality signings this window. Don't worry.
We badly need a traditional right winger. Someone who can hug the touchline and stretch the play. We have enough players cutting inside from each wing.
My honest opinion is that the Glazers have set a tight transfer budget this year and that is why we are needing to sell before we can buy again. Is it because their is a lack of confidence in Mourinho? Possibly. All new contract talk with him has gone very quiet, and rightfully so.
The biggest problem i see is the following. Ed wants to buy a superstar each time we need to add to our squad. Jose on the other hand has a strange preference to spend big on players aged 30 and more.
Neither approach is smart IMHO
Neither approach is smart IMHO
lol. The other thing is most of these earth shattering transfers haven't occurred yet and the source for it all is media speculation.
United doesn't sign anyone: I am confused and angry
Spurs don't sign anyone: Obviously, they have a pan
Spurs don't sign anyone: Obviously, they have a pan
Our transfer strategy and execution has the best it's ever been in the past 20 years or so. I don't understand what the OP is on about
Two months ago I had made a post saying there will be a maximum of 2-3 summer signings. I was bashed for that. The way things are moving now I don't think we will make more signings.
There are certain things fans needs to understand. City were too good last season, they barely lost games in the PL and that was a freak season ( congratulations to them) . Realistically if City continue the same form then there is no chance that anyone else is going to win the EPL. Its the hard truth that's difficult to digest for most of the fans. Jose knows this and board knows this.
Our glaring weakness last season was at mid again. We bought in Fred who I think will bring more balance and let Pogba play his game. Matic will need rest and in the next two seasons I see Fred taking the place of Matic in the team. The way Pogba played for France gives me all the hope that finally he understood how to play as a CM. If Pogba continue the form he displayed for France and Lukaku keeps scoring, I am pretty sure we will challenging at the top.
Dalot is very good signing who will surprise many people here. Valencia and Dalot will fill the right back role, Young and Shaw will fill the left back role this season for sure. And if shaw is still shit they we will go all out for Tierney next season ( I think that's the plan, not many great LB's are available in the market and Tierny won't leave this summer). Have no idea why we are getting linked with CB's as its pretty clear we wont make any CB signings without selling at least a couple. Getting an experienced defender is a good idea as it will help Baiely, Lindelof and Tuanzbe but can't really find any worth signing.
The last point is about our academy. We have invested a lot in the academy in the last couple of years and we believe there are a couple of players who are good enough to play for us in the next 1-2 seasons and rightfully so. O'connor is someone I have high hopes, I wouldn't surprised if he pushed Dalot to the left back role ( Jose played Azpilicueta on the left ). Then there's Chong who will make a couple of appearances for first team this season. I believe by the end of this season Pereira will push Ander out of the team ( he will go back to spain ) and Chong will push mata out. Then there's Garner and Gomes who needs to nurtured properly ( both have enough talent to make it at United, just build the mentality that's required). One of Jones or Rojo will be out next season and Tuanzbe will take that squad place.
There are certain things fans needs to understand. City were too good last season, they barely lost games in the PL and that was a freak season ( congratulations to them) . Realistically if City continue the same form then there is no chance that anyone else is going to win the EPL. Its the hard truth that's difficult to digest for most of the fans. Jose knows this and board knows this.
Our glaring weakness last season was at mid again. We bought in Fred who I think will bring more balance and let Pogba play his game. Matic will need rest and in the next two seasons I see Fred taking the place of Matic in the team. The way Pogba played for France gives me all the hope that finally he understood how to play as a CM. If Pogba continue the form he displayed for France and Lukaku keeps scoring, I am pretty sure we will challenging at the top.
Dalot is very good signing who will surprise many people here. Valencia and Dalot will fill the right back role, Young and Shaw will fill the left back role this season for sure. And if shaw is still shit they we will go all out for Tierney next season ( I think that's the plan, not many great LB's are available in the market and Tierny won't leave this summer). Have no idea why we are getting linked with CB's as its pretty clear we wont make any CB signings without selling at least a couple. Getting an experienced defender is a good idea as it will help Baiely, Lindelof and Tuanzbe but can't really find any worth signing.
The last point is about our academy. We have invested a lot in the academy in the last couple of years and we believe there are a couple of players who are good enough to play for us in the next 1-2 seasons and rightfully so. O'connor is someone I have high hopes, I wouldn't surprised if he pushed Dalot to the left back role ( Jose played Azpilicueta on the left ). Then there's Chong who will make a couple of appearances for first team this season. I believe by the end of this season Pereira will push Ander out of the team ( he will go back to spain ) and Chong will push mata out. Then there's Garner and Gomes who needs to nurtured properly ( both have enough talent to make it at United, just build the mentality that's required). One of Jones or Rojo will be out next season and Tuanzbe will take that squad place.
So in few words the richest club in the world is happy to play second fiddle to City while 'augmenting' their team with a kid, Brazil national team's water carrier and some old dude straight from Stoke's dustbin? Sweet. Also shouldn't hype be justified on the pitch rather then away with it? After all we should have learnt our lesson with the various Wellback, the Da Silva twins, Evans, Macheda and co who were expected to rule the world only to end up, well, nothing special at all. That last time our academy produced a world class article was back in 92. So lets get down the hype train shall we?
I just don't think we've managed to get the players we've been after, nothing to do with budgets, we're probably still trying to get players in.
It's either stars at the peaky of their powers (Zlatan, Sanchez, Pogba, Matic, Miki) or players with room to grow (Bailly, Lindelof, Fred, Dalot). It's quite a balanced strategy but too many questionmarks over starters at CB, LB, RW is a problem.
It’s so unusually quiet compared to other transfer windows. Usually we’re getting heavily linked with players on a daily basis.
Agree, and would we be happy going after every Tom, Dick and Harry instead just so we have a list full of new players on SSN? Though I'd like a new RW and LB as priority we can't complain about a scattergun approach to transfers in the recent past while at the same time predicting doom because we haven't got enough new people through the door.
And we resigned Fellaini and a 35 year old goal keeper despite having a number of top young goal keepers at the club.
If you don't think we are signing Toby this window, I would advice you to go on sky and place a chunk on him staying put at 9/4. We are still clear favourites to sign him.
So if a team are willing to pay 70 million for a goalkeeper are we not willing to pay 75 M for Willian ?
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