No you strengthen other areas. Why haven’t we signed a CB? Or a DM? Or a striker? Or a LB? It’s not like there aren’t a number of issues to address. We went into the window needing 6 players to challenge which for a competent ambitious club would be realistic over the next two years, now we need 5. We aren’t getting all 5 next summer. We’ll be lucky to get 1 at the rate we do business. Maybe we’ll compete for something in 4 years. Until then it’s another season of hoping our second biggest rivals stop our biggest rivals from equalling our record whilst we somehow manage to scrape 4th. And if we don’t manage that Ole will be sacked, the cycle will repeat and the people running the club who are ultimately to blame for the continuing shit show will still be here. I can’t wait for those DOF articles on Tuesday!
Wot, no transfers? It's all happening now!
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People are chuckling at us already, why not turn it into a laughfest.
Ummm if we plan on getting anything done now might be a good time to kinda start wrapping it up.
I don't want any of them, but I wouldn't put it past our club to do a domestic transfer before the 16th October knowing that the said player wouldn't be eligible in Europe.They have first class honours degree on panicship. I made that word up.
What's annoying about this is that we actually ended the season with some sort of momentum. Three or four decent signings and we would have gone into this season full of optimism.
More than anything else, it annoys me that they're snuffing that vague hope out almost immediately with what currently appears to be yet another botched transfer window. Even leaving aside how it would actually help us, watching us play is so much more fun when there's a sense that we're going somewhere.
More than anything else, it annoys me that they're snuffing that vague hope out almost immediately with what currently appears to be yet another botched transfer window. Even leaving aside how it would actually help us, watching us play is so much more fun when there's a sense that we're going somewhere.
Well there's a lot of midfielders in those lists so it's padded somewhat. We're obviously short of attacking options i don't think anyone is arguing against that but most of those teams have weak areas of their own too.
I expect our manager to get top 3 or 4 based off the quality of the starting 11 and squad as a whole. I expect him to close the gap because we've got a good team who through coaching should be improving together.
We will and always have had teams where the filler is a bit naff. This magical 22 man squad where fans are happy with all options isn't happening. A strong 16 is more than enough for a title challenge and we're not far from that.
No one wants 10 new signings, this is what you are not understanding.
Our attack is weak, so is our defence, past our first choice back 4, they're all injury prone. Who is backup to AWB, Shaw, Maguire and Lindelof? Jones is our 4th choice CB. We dont even have a backup LB.
All I am asking for is a RW and a LB.
Yes, but our aim is not to get top 3/4 again is it? if we spent a bit of money, we could potentially close the gap on the teams above us and give us a chance in the CL. At the moment, this squad cannot handle more than 1 game a week.
People talk about Ole being a below par manager or coach but if he was as bad in his job as Woodward and Judge, we'd have been relegated by now.
Its kinds ironic - we reach C.L - and there are about 10 clubs with higher spending than us in the P.L
On the last day of the season I was absolutely delighted that we managed to finish third.
I thought this time we'd finally give a manager the tools to kick on with a healthy financial position, the Adidas deal remaining in place and Champions League money. For the first time since SAF left it felt like there was a positivity around the club, with a strong first 11 that needed improvement for us to bridge the gap to our rivals. I thought there'd be absolutely no way we'd repeat the mistakes of Jose's third season.
How fecking wrong was I? I should've known really.
I thought this time we'd finally give a manager the tools to kick on with a healthy financial position, the Adidas deal remaining in place and Champions League money. For the first time since SAF left it felt like there was a positivity around the club, with a strong first 11 that needed improvement for us to bridge the gap to our rivals. I thought there'd be absolutely no way we'd repeat the mistakes of Jose's third season.
How fecking wrong was I? I should've known really.
Liverpool are now the Benchmark both on and off the field. How low do we need to fall under this current pathetic regime. Club has regressed spectacularly.
We are now 11th in the premier league for amount of money spent on transfers this window. Are we now the adult euro disney rather than Disney land?
Put Dalot on RW and it's like a new signing 
Let’s dissect it a little bit:
Current Squad
GKs: De Gea/Henderson/Romero/Grant
FBs: AWB/Shaw/Dalot/TFM/Williams
CBs: Maguire/Bailly/Lindelof/Rojo/Jones/Smalling/Tuanzebe/Mengi
CMs: McTominay/Matic/Pogba/Fred
AMs: Bruno/Van De Beek
WGs: Lingard/Mata/Rashford/James
STs: Martial/Greenwood/Ighalo (Loan)
30 men, so yes some need to leave first. However in terms of senior men who take squad registrations, it’s 26 (Dalot/Williams/Greenwood/Mengi are 21 or under).
Yes we need to shift players first, obviously starting with Romero/Rojo/Jones/Smalling. Takes us down to 22 leaving 3 squad places. Just right for the 2/3 signings Ole had asked for. Saying he needs to sell James or Dalot first to make room would show just how incompetent Woodward/Judge truly are. Instead of doing the hard work getting those 4 shifted, they are transferring the difficulty on to Ole and trying to shift players that we may still need.
No excuses to not have at least 2 of those sold by now, with interest in them both, this falls solely on the board and their lack of hard work behind the scenes. (They May work hard but they don’t have time for this it seems, hence why a DOF should have been sorted an age ago too)
Current Squad
GKs: De Gea/Henderson/Romero/Grant
FBs: AWB/Shaw/Dalot/TFM/Williams
CBs: Maguire/Bailly/Lindelof/Rojo/Jones/Smalling/Tuanzebe/Mengi
CMs: McTominay/Matic/Pogba/Fred
AMs: Bruno/Van De Beek
WGs: Lingard/Mata/Rashford/James
STs: Martial/Greenwood/Ighalo (Loan)
30 men, so yes some need to leave first. However in terms of senior men who take squad registrations, it’s 26 (Dalot/Williams/Greenwood/Mengi are 21 or under).
Yes we need to shift players first, obviously starting with Romero/Rojo/Jones/Smalling. Takes us down to 22 leaving 3 squad places. Just right for the 2/3 signings Ole had asked for. Saying he needs to sell James or Dalot first to make room would show just how incompetent Woodward/Judge truly are. Instead of doing the hard work getting those 4 shifted, they are transferring the difficulty on to Ole and trying to shift players that we may still need.
No excuses to not have at least 2 of those sold by now, with interest in them both, this falls solely on the board and their lack of hard work behind the scenes. (They May work hard but they don’t have time for this it seems, hence why a DOF should have been sorted an age ago too)
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3 days to go and our Report card reads:
ZERO sales.
One Purchase.
And my dad used to whip me (not literally) for procrastinating on my projects!
ZERO sales.
One Purchase.
And my dad used to whip me (not literally) for procrastinating on my projects!
We've only made 5 purchases in the last 4 windows.
Sheffield United showing more ambition than us is kind of hilarious.
Serious question
Why aren’t we signing anyone?
I cannot think of one coherent reason why the club isn’t making any.
They MUST realise that we won’t finish in the Champions League without more signings.
Even from a money making perspective, it makes absolutely no sense because it means less money next season again. And I don’t get it.
Why aren’t we signing anyone?
I cannot think of one coherent reason why the club isn’t making any.
They MUST realise that we won’t finish in the Champions League without more signings.
Even from a money making perspective, it makes absolutely no sense because it means less money next season again. And I don’t get it.
If we dont get anything done this place will become a proper war zone.
I might seek asylum at ArsenalFanTv
I might seek asylum at ArsenalFanTv
I’m laughing heartily at our situation because honestly...I’m close to tears.
What we should look at is net transfer spend as the percentage of revenue. We spent about 6% of our total annual revenue on that total of one (1) signing and we didn't sell anyone for money. I can't be arsed to look up other clubs but I'm willing to hazard a guess that the respective percentages of most clubs will be higher.
This really has been shambolic - I expected us to make some progress this week in getting Telles finalised and making a final take-it-or-leave-it offer for Sancho, but it looks like we'll be heading into final day on Monday still needing to get at least 2 signings over the line in the space of 24 hours, and god knows if we'll manage to sell anyone.
There is no money. If you run the club on debt, one day it catches up with you.
United fans need to accept that the debt imposed on the club by the Glazers is a huge problem for the club.
What's happening now is that the debt repayments still have to be made but the club is not making any money.
Woodward does a forecast over a year and sees no sign of serious cash coming in.
No Corona virus vaccine, no money for Manchester United. It's that simple.
But it has been same throughout the window. There will be nothing novel about it.
We're very lucky he's a financial genius and can see these things.
I see what you did there.
Both are an upgrade on James and Lingard and a loan deal would be better than nothing. But it would be shambolic to pay 40-45m for any of them after missing out on Sancho.
Of course he can. Thats what accountants do if I ever have to tell you. Its called budgeting.
The only problem is that in the current climate you don't need to be an accountant to see that there is no money on the horizon coming into the club.
Saw on talksport we are only offering 9MM for Telles when they value at 18MM. Yes, he can leave for a free next year but then there will be competition. It would be nice to have someone like that who can move the ball from the back better than anyone we currently have on the squad.
Andreas to Lazio
Smalling to Roma
Dalot to Milan
Still time for Lingard and Jones to go
Our wafer thin squad winning at its move to being paper thin
Smalling to Roma
Dalot to Milan
Still time for Lingard and Jones to go
Our wafer thin squad winning at its move to being paper thin
Typical Woodward, barely makes an inch.
Maybe they’ve decided qualifying for Champions League every other year, so we don’t get our sponsorship reduced, is more cost effective.
Accountants come in different flavours. The issue is we have x2 (at least) in Eddy & Matty who are ex PWC.
PWC bods are arrrogant sycophants who think they are the best and there in lies the issue. Overlay the the huge debt which Eddy was central to in the takeover and that his central role is protect the the Adams family investment & yearly syphoning .
The Glazers could bust a flush as to funding with selling more of their shares but hey why would they, as the only purpose of this is for a family Brucie bonus.
We are royally screwed & to make it worse the Scouserpudlians will overhaul us. Its the latter that the fans should not accept. They were dead & buried untill we screwed in getting Klopp & got lucky with Countinho sale in a hyper inflated market.
We need these zombies out of our club
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Andreas to Lazio
Smalling to Roma
Dalot to Milan
Still time for Lingard and Jones to go
Our wafer thin squad winning at its move to being paper thin
Had a post a little above this, we have a squad size of 31 less 4 players 21 or under (Dalot/Mengi/Williams/Greenwood) leaving 27 senior players, when you can select a squad of 25 for CL/PL. So the squad isn't really wafer thin. No room for Andreas or Chris, Dalot questionable given his age, but maybe he paves the way for either Laird, or Williams switching and Telles coming in, if I'm optimistic (I'm not).
If we sold or loaned Jones/Rojo/Smalling/Romero we'd still have 23 senior squad players. 22 if Lingard left. Only then does it leave room for 2 or 3 incomings, but I think Lingard is staying, probably Jones too unless we get him a loan, which would leave room for 1 incoming over 21..
If I was Wumming I'd say Sancho is only 20, Dembele 23, Sarr 22, Brooks 23, also King/Cavani etc much older. So if Telles is coming and we sign a winger who isn't Sancho, we'd be leaving someone without a squad number, like Rojo or Jones.
If we don't shift anyone other than Dalot, i.e. Smalling/Romero/Rojo/Jones stay, we have 27 players who need squad numbers. If we sign 2 players over 21, we'll have 4 unregistered in the PL/CL squads. Either we sell/loan, or we are gonna be in a financial/Squad registration mess, with some very unhappy players who will quickly be losing value even further (I know, Rojo/Jones etc already have a minimal value).
I mean I'm not moaning about the players we're letting go because ultimately there's only really 15 or 16 Ole really trusts but still we're obviously selling way more than we're bringing in
Yeah fair enough, you're not wrong. Since Ole has come in we've sold/released 8 senior players, and signed 5, plus bringing 6 through from the academy, and Ighalo in on loan.
We're at an awkward point where the younger players are now getting over the 21 y.o which doesn't help. Rashford, McTominay, Dan James, Wan Bissaka, Fosu Mensah, Tuanzebe, Henderson all turning 22/3 which when they are a part of the squad bloats it somewhat. Especially when we have 7/8 CBs on the books! Feels like Ole knows who he wants out, but the board aren't doing too well at getting shot. Not really a surprise mind.
Leeds , Wolves and villa have all spent twice what we have spent. Glazer's are Parasites. it's a sad state of affairs
Sheffield United showing more ambition than us is kind of hilarious.
This reeks of what happened towards the end of the window of Mourinho's last transfer window in charge. We're not signing anyone.
Having watched Ole's presser, he looks and sounds resigned to no more incomings. Paper thin squad is reduced even further and the back up striker in Ighalo will go before any more incomings can set foot in Old Trafford.
All the noise from Ole is about players chomping at the bit who didn't get much game time last year etc. They didn't get much game time because they were not upto the task, simple as that.
Get to bed early on Monday lads you won't be missing much. Even if Spurs do turn us over dont expect a reaction from Woodward. Nor should it need a knee jerk reaction.
All the noise from Ole is about players chomping at the bit who didn't get much game time last year etc. They didn't get much game time because they were not upto the task, simple as that.
Get to bed early on Monday lads you won't be missing much. Even if Spurs do turn us over dont expect a reaction from Woodward. Nor should it need a knee jerk reaction.
Agree buddy. Am Deloitte so I perfectly understand your PWC narrative.
One thing I know is Accountants can not run a successful business either.
Most businesses with an Accountant as CEO end up in failure. They are best at finance not business strategy.
Ed and Matt should not be involved in the business strategy of MUFC. This is the operational football side , signing players and selling players. They haven't got the skills for that.
Focus on making and saving money. That's it. Give operational powers to a football person like Edwin Van Der Sar. Simple.