Originally posted by Elizabeth:
<strong>Look forward to seeing them pull on the white shirts again,they will match their pointed hats nicely.
If I shoplift but no-one see s me do it Im still a thief!!!
Oh come on! that is such a horrible horrible thing to insuinuate.
Woodgate & Bowyer
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Originally posted by elljay:
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typical manc. stereotyping me just 'cos i'm blonde</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not 'just' cause yor blonde. The thickness you show helps
B4E
I know this debate seems to have run its course but I do feel some of the comments by MOT warrant a reply.Since joining this forum i have found his contributions to be amongst the most balanced and considered of all Non Reds, but in this case his views are unforgiveably blinkered and verging on the offensive,
MOT, you say that Sarfraz srtarted the fight and effectively imply that he deserved his comeuppance. to confirm this view you add that he's a known trouble maker, tho' how this is known I'm not so clear. Let's establish some facts. As i have read it, Sarfraz or a friend threw a punch in response to a slap around the head. Presumably then, for this" crime of provocation" you believe it is acceptable for someone to be pursued down a street by 5 or 6 people and kicked nearly to death. What happened to this young man was grotesque and unacceptable. There is no provocation which could warrant such treatment, so your observations on who threw the first punch are grotesquely irrelevant.
Tou query the supposition or suggestion that this was racially motivated. As others have said it is unlikely we will ever establish the truth on this... indeed establishing a motive for any such act is likely to be near impossible. However, if 5 or 6 young white men pursue a single Asian downa street kick him near to death and shake his head with their teeth like animals, it is not surprising that a racial motive is suspected. To behave like this you must have to imagine that your victim is somehow less than human.
Finally, your central point is that justice has been done... there is no evidence of Woodgate or Bowyer being centrally involve din the assault, and no reason to feel their carrers at LU should be further impeded. Legally correct. But ask youself this question.. If you are out with somefriends who begin to chase someione down a strreet, kick and punch him till finally one of them bends down takes his cheek in his mouthand bited him like a crazed animal.. what is the appropriate , decent human reaction....To call the police...? to haul your friends off......? to stay with the victim until an ambulance arrives..? Or maybe to high 5 your friend , embrace him... and scurry off in a taxi.( just tell me MOT.. what the feck was Bowyer celebrating??)
By this judgement... surely the only one that matters..... Bowyer and Woodgate are guilty. You should be ashamed to have them in your team. I am ashamed that we live in a country where such events can ( clearly) be seen to be a commonplace.
MOT, you say that Sarfraz srtarted the fight and effectively imply that he deserved his comeuppance. to confirm this view you add that he's a known trouble maker, tho' how this is known I'm not so clear. Let's establish some facts. As i have read it, Sarfraz or a friend threw a punch in response to a slap around the head. Presumably then, for this" crime of provocation" you believe it is acceptable for someone to be pursued down a street by 5 or 6 people and kicked nearly to death. What happened to this young man was grotesque and unacceptable. There is no provocation which could warrant such treatment, so your observations on who threw the first punch are grotesquely irrelevant.
Tou query the supposition or suggestion that this was racially motivated. As others have said it is unlikely we will ever establish the truth on this... indeed establishing a motive for any such act is likely to be near impossible. However, if 5 or 6 young white men pursue a single Asian downa street kick him near to death and shake his head with their teeth like animals, it is not surprising that a racial motive is suspected. To behave like this you must have to imagine that your victim is somehow less than human.
Finally, your central point is that justice has been done... there is no evidence of Woodgate or Bowyer being centrally involve din the assault, and no reason to feel their carrers at LU should be further impeded. Legally correct. But ask youself this question.. If you are out with somefriends who begin to chase someione down a strreet, kick and punch him till finally one of them bends down takes his cheek in his mouthand bited him like a crazed animal.. what is the appropriate , decent human reaction....To call the police...? to haul your friends off......? to stay with the victim until an ambulance arrives..? Or maybe to high 5 your friend , embrace him... and scurry off in a taxi.( just tell me MOT.. what the feck was Bowyer celebrating??)
By this judgement... surely the only one that matters..... Bowyer and Woodgate are guilty. You should be ashamed to have them in your team. I am ashamed that we live in a country where such events can ( clearly) be seen to be a commonplace.