I don't really understand this point. The important part of supporting United is so the club will be remembered in the future? What will you gain from that?
I don't really understand this point. The important part of supporting United is so the club will be remembered in the future? What will you gain from that?
Try telling that to the Arsenal fans who have watched some brilliant football under Wenger. See if they will swap some of that beautiful football for some more titles. They hav e won sniffed the league title for the last decade. But if playing good football over winning is OK with you, that's your choice
I know many of here seem to dislike 12/13, however, I'd take a season like that every year. Our mentality that year was incredible, we were at our peak in terms of confidence and belief. Whatever you can do, we can do it better. That, for me, is the most important aspect and attitude - we are, quite simply, better than you.
Ok so how long till you jump ship when we havent won anything for a while? If winning is everything then how long till you go follow another team that wins?
Didn't respond to my reply about being a fan since the 70's when we were winning shite. Fans from that era will understand what a trophy drought is with your rivals sweeping everything up. Didn't quit then and certainly not quitting now.
Winning is everything doesnt make sense. If it was true for fans then fans would be jumping ship every couple of seasons. We follow teams not just because they win but for a number of reasons.
The winning is everything line is one of those tired cliches that people latch onto without giving it any real thought.
The winning is everything line is one of those tired cliches that people latch onto without giving it any real thought.
I really don't get why and how this has to be a versus. How about common sense? Like, depending on the match? If we gotta win ugly, do it this way. If we score a couple of goals, open up and enjoy yourself. Why does it have to be one or the other. Smash the smaller clubs ( Remember people complaining about Berbatov ripping them apart but being poor in big games?), win 1:0 in a tactical war that is ugly, no style and rough. Adapt and change tactics depending on the situation. For me, there is no A vs B.
OK. Fair enough.
Whether something is entertaining or not is for the individual to decide really. And I think its fair to say, the winning teams fans are generally more entertained than the losers. Because winning is an integral part of football and all sports.
Some are entertained by what others think is the dullest thing on earth. Golf for example, or fishing.
If we had to pick one or the other I'd pick winning over style every day of the week. everyone picking style over winning should refer back to 4-4 everton game to see if they actually enjoyed that. (unless they're not a united fan)
optimally we'd go for both. right now we're achieving neither.
optimally we'd go for both. right now we're achieving neither.
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Winning.
Winning.
If you don't think that then you don't like sport.
If you don't think that then you don't like sport.
I meant to keep it simple. For example a scrappy one nil victory vs a four nil thrashing. I wasn't trying to compare the levels of subjectivity when it comes to fans being entertained.
No problem. I was just building on your point.
How the hell do you know why other people watch professional sport? Do Rochdale fans turn up week in week out because they keep winning trophies? Thankfully for the future of sport not everyone is a prawn sandwich eating, sing when we're winning prick like you.
My first game at Old Trafford was United 0 Chelsea 4 .... Going by the logic in this thread I would be a Citeh fan now
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Always winning.
Shut up you bellend. Rochdale fans go to see their team win. It's that simple.
Is it my fault YOU don't have an understanding of what you are watching? No you clown, that's your issue. You think your watching a theatre production designed to enyertain. I'm watching a competitive sport. Without a winning or losing, its completely pointless.
If you want sports entertainment only, wrestling is your sport. Scripted for your entertainment.
I will stick to the professional stuff, for adults, not children, in mind or body. Thanks.
This 21st century "everyone who participates is a winner" mentality is breading little softies who grow up, vote, work their funky monkey jobs, create families, appear hard on the internetS, and breed more little softies who can't survive without mama's help. Winning is fun. Progress is fun. Getting better is fun. So yeah.
Spot on. And that attitude is horrendous. Drives all competiveness out of a child and makes for a limp dicked adult. A drone without any drive.
To strive for success, to win. Football is built in this. At every level, from hungover Sunday leavers to the stars of the pro game. They all want to win, everything else is secondary. Be it Barcelona, Rochdale or the Hare and Hounds pub.
Not this again. Caftards were moaning about style earlier in the season when we were winning games ffs. We clearly want style.
Also football back them wasn't dominated by money so you could have a couple of barren seasons without falling adrift of your competitors.
Just want to see where people still stand on this topic. Seems more relevant than ever now.
Winning.
A club like United shouldn't have to make a choice.
Doesn't have to be 1 or the other.
You can play with style and win, you can lose with no style also.
I don't mind parking the bus here or there, but not EVERY big game.
The thing that annoys me the most is when we play a lesser team, get a lead and then sit back. We let them grow into the match and start having chances.
Leicester away last year was a prime example, absolutely battered them and then we sat back and gave up our advantage, then drew.
You can play with style and win, you can lose with no style also.
I don't mind parking the bus here or there, but not EVERY big game.
The thing that annoys me the most is when we play a lesser team, get a lead and then sit back. We let them grow into the match and start having chances.
Leicester away last year was a prime example, absolutely battered them and then we sat back and gave up our advantage, then drew.
Play to win. Always. I don't care how it gets done, just win.
Having watched the Bayern Munich game at the weekend, my other half said that if we are going to carry on playing like that, as we did thru most of last season, then we have to start to question why we would continue to devote such a big chunk of our weekend to watching this shower of sh1te.
Hard to argue really.
In practice though, playing with style (given the quality of players we have) should mean winning most of the time.
Hard to argue really.
In practice though, playing with style (given the quality of players we have) should mean winning most of the time.
I think its easier and better to make sure we play well. Not everybody can win, everybody can try to play decent entertaining football. If you sacrifice everything in the name of winning then don't actually win anything, you end up with our season from last year which was a relative disaster.
Another plus to playing very attacking football is if your blowing clubs away every other week it has an effect on the mentality when teams play you. A lot of the time when Fergie was in charge, teams played the badge rather than what was in front of them on that particular day.
It's not really a choice. The best teams usually play attacking football. If we want to win more we should play attacking football.
Winning any day of the week and twice on weekends. I won’t mind it if we win the league while scoring 35 goals like Milan team in the 90s as long as we win it. I won’t care that we scored 120 goals during a league campaign if our final position in the standings isn’t good.
Winning. I do feel that Jose has had to compromise attacking, as we have lots of square pegs in round holes. That’s what happens when you’re on a budget.
If you have the unlimited spending that Pep has, you can easily play attacking football, knowing that there’s 500 million worth of defenders and goalie.
If you’re Klopp, you aim to please, but ultimately fail.
If you have the unlimited spending that Pep has, you can easily play attacking football, knowing that there’s 500 million worth of defenders and goalie.
If you’re Klopp, you aim to please, but ultimately fail.
That said when you have the resources that United do and you are a global brand with millions of fans worldwide you should 100% aim to do both. I think you can get away with playing not so exciting football more than you can get away with consistently losing but in the long term you should always make an attempt to dominate games because there is no excuse to be made if you don’t.
That was neither though.
I think this has been answered above even if it was in an overly aggressive tone by the poster. Winning or striving for the win is the fun when it comes to competitive sport, style is just the icing. The majority of football fans or any sport don't get the fun from "style", unfortunately i think a lot of people only have us as their supported sports team so don't get that.
winning
Winning the Premier league or champions league at any cost.
Style over wining Micky mouse cups.
I think this makes sense
Style over wining Micky mouse cups.
I think this makes sense
Winning all day. A winning mentality is the most important thing. You cannot lose that.
Sir Alex Ferguson's mentality was what drew me to the club in the first place as a kid.
What did we think of Arsenal when they were playing nice football but ultimately winning nothing when it counted?
Sir Alex Ferguson's mentality was what drew me to the club in the first place as a kid.
What did we think of Arsenal when they were playing nice football but ultimately winning nothing when it counted?
Style is very important. Sometimes, although not often, it is more important than winning. Example: if one makes a poll about the greatest national teams in history, Netherlands 1974 are likely to make the top 10 - ahead of most winners of the WC. They will be longer remembered than many actual winners.
It's different at club level. Style without winning won't be remembered (Liverpool 2014). Winning without style is better but not by much, except when winning is against all odds like Leicester.
It's different at club level. Style without winning won't be remembered (Liverpool 2014). Winning without style is better but not by much, except when winning is against all odds like Leicester.
They'll (Liverpool fans) will always remember it though.
Another example (though a bit different) is I always preferred the 2006/07 United side to the one in 2007-09, despite falling short in the CL with the previous team. I remember more of the matches from that season than the two that followed.