Wing Play !!

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Hate to say this ... but we should be inside here !! ... I think it's just a tradition for us to have good wing play - from Bestie, Olsen time till Giggsy/Kanchelski ... our tradition has been built on there but our current play certainly don't suggest much to talk abt ..

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By the way - Fernandz guy from Southampton has really made a big name for himself since going down south-coast ... he's certainly one to look for !!
 
that i have to agree... by attacking the wings, defences are more easily stretched than trying to play the rare exquistite ball down the middle, hoping the centrebacks don't get to it 1st....
 
Definitely a tradition that needs to come back. I don't know if they do it on orders but Beckham and Giggs always seem to come infield to link the play, rarely attacking the outside of the full back or going for the byline. You're right about it stretching teams. I suppose you know Beckham is not going to beat any one for pace, but he doesn't even try to take on the full back. Olly has similar pace and look at what he managed to do for Scholes' goal against Newcastle.
I'd love to see a young quick winger bought as a different option to Beckham. The counter attacks have disappeared from our game. No one can say that that is a good thing to have happened.
 
Teams nowadays are told to defend in a funnel, with the point being the width of the goal, spreading out to the width of the halfway line, therefore defensive teams cramp the middle of the park and dont really care that balls get played wide, so, if you can play through the middle you will be dangerous
 
i watched Joaquin last night.. he looks a fantastic player.. pace, skill, and the ability to beat players! he could do a much better job than Becks..

altho he'll probably end up at Real..


kinell the Betis fans love him..judging on the amount of times they sing his name!
 
Originally posted by Mush:
<strong>Definitely a tradition that needs to come back. I don't know if they do it on orders but Beckham and Giggs always seem to come infield to link the play, rarely attacking the outside of the full back or going for the byline. You're right about it stretching teams. I suppose you know Beckham is not going to beat any one for pace, but he doesn't even try to take on the full back. Olly has similar pace and look at what he managed to do for Scholes' goal against Newcastle.
I'd love to see a young quick winger bought as a different option to Beckham. The counter attacks have disappeared from our game. No one can say that that is a good thing to have happened.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Totally agree.
When Giggsy and Becks move infield straight away it compress our midfield and makes us easy to defend against.
The best attacking side we've ever had was in 1994 when we had Giggsy on the left and Kanchelkis on the right. Two players who provided genuine width and pace.
I'd like to see what Richardson can really do, only seen him in his few substitute appearances. Not seen him play for the reserves maybe some-one on here who's seen him can tell us whether he has the potential to bring some width back to our game.
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Originally posted by Mush:
<strong>I suppose you know Beckham is not going to beat any one for pace, but he doesn't even try to take on the full back.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He isn't meant to, he's always needed a pacey fullback behind him to do the running, give him the pass and bingo.

It's always been like that, but I would not choose to have any other there than him, because when he gets it (after the fullback working his bollocks off) he does in general produce the most marvelous crosses (best in the world), that a normal winger would not be able to produce due to the physical effort of getting there in the first place.

Giggs is the classic proof of this, and has been throughout his career.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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He isn't meant to, he's always needed a pacey fullback behind him to do the running, give him the pass and bingo.

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Becks must be the least naturally gifted of the kids.. no pace, no skill, can't tackle... but he can cross a ball, which he's world class at..

amazing how far he's got...
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I just wish that Silvestre was a right fullback and not a left, as he would help Beckham be at his best, where as I think that he forces Giggs inside because he thinks that he is the better at going down the line. He should give it to Giggs and let Giggs do what he does best.

Shame really.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>amazing how far he's got...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, but a very imporant talent he has. It used to end up in a lot of goals for us.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>gaz, works well with Becks on the right.. i loved the way the used to overlap..</strong><hr></blockquote>

I know, but you have hit the nail on the head. "Used to overlap" - what the feck happened? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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Originally posted by Aussie Red Devil:
<strong>Teams nowadays are told to defend in a funnel, with the point being the width of the goal, spreading out to the width of the halfway line, therefore defensive teams cramp the middle of the park and dont really care that balls get played wide, so, if you can play through the middle you will be dangerous</strong><hr></blockquote>

You seem to create a contradiction in terms. Surely if teams cramp the middle, you've got very little chance of success with that route. As we often see when United over-elaborate against the ten-men behind the ball teams. By adding width to your play, you stretch such compressed defences creating gaps in the middle as defenders are pulled out wide.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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I know, but you have hit the nail on the head. "Used to overlap" - what the feck happened? :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

that combo was awesome for us..

perplexing indeed... i dunno.

its happened since Beckham started to push into the middle...in the quest to become a playmaker.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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that combo was awesome for us..

perplexing indeed... i dunno.

its happened since Beckham started to push into the middle...in the quest to become a playmaker.</strong><hr></blockquote>

When Keano comes back he won't allow Becks to be the playmaker and Beck will have to realise that he needs to plays on the right.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>I just wish that Silvestre was a right fullback and not a left, as he would help Beckham be at his best, where as I think that he forces Giggs inside because he thinks that he is the better at going down the line. He should give it to Giggs and let Giggs do what he does best.

Shame really.</strong><hr></blockquote>


good point..

Silvestre is excellent going forward, and easily has a better cross than giggs.. maybe thats the reason why giggs cuts in?????????????
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Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
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When Keano comes back he won't allow Becks to be the playmaker and Beck will have to realise that he needs to plays on the right.</strong><hr></blockquote>

it happened when keane was in the middle n'all... didn't it?

kinell i wish he was back.. no other player suits the captaincy as much as him
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Mushy, I was saying that if you can penetrate down the middle against a side that cramps it, you will cause problems, as highlighted by the way the French play, with varoius give and goes down the middle
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>It's always been like that, but I would not choose to have any other there than him, because when he gets it (after the fullback working his bollocks off) he does in general produce the most marvelous crosses (best in the world), that a normal winger would not be able to produce due to the physical effort of getting there in the first place.

Giggs is the classic proof of this, and has been throughout his career.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Giggs has never been a great crosser of the ball, in fact he used to be terrible a few years ago. You couldn't say the same about Kanchelskis, he was a fine crosser of the ball and at pace. The thing with Beckham is that he cannot rely on Neville always overlapping as in tight games it is not always the right thing to do as it can leave us exposed if it goes wrong. I just think Becks should show a little more variety and in his play on the right. If you ever watch him in a game he usually get as far as the corner of the 18 yard box, then crosses, cuts back, whatever. Some full backs do manage to work out his angles on his crosses and neutralise his effectiveness. Roberto Carlos has done it everytime he plays against him. All I am saying is that if he attacks the space outside the full back a bit more, he does then create some better angles for his crosses.
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Originally posted by Aussie Red Devil:
<strong>Mushy, I was saying that if you can penetrate down the middle against a side that cramps it, you will cause problems, as highlighted by the way the French play, with varoius give and goes down the middle</strong><hr></blockquote>

I understand what you mean but France don't just play through the middle do they, it is one option that can be hit and miss. In a crowded vicinity where play is compressed with defenders and midfielders creating two barriers maybe 1 in five 1-2 passes come off, if that. You've seen United do it many times and hit a brick wall, and we're one of the best at it. When that option fails you nearly always then look for width. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but one is definitely easier to defend against.
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Originally posted by phunky:
<strong>that i have to agree... by attacking the wings, defences are more easily stretched than trying to play the rare exquistite ball down the middle, hoping the centrebacks don't get to it 1st....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Spot on..
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Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
<strong>The best attacking side we've ever had was in 1994 when we had Giggsy on the left and Kanchelkis on the right. Two players who provided genuine width and pace.
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CORRECTOMUNDO BIG TIME!!!!!!!
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Ole reminded us all on Saturday how vital it is to get those crosses in from the right. I can't remember the last time we had so much good work and quality balls coming from the wings. When Becks comes back, Fergie should sit him down and tell him he HAS to stay on the right. Becks is the best crosser of the ball in the world. He is a world-class winger. He isn't a world-class central mid-fielder. It's just such a shame because he dilutes and loses so much of what makes him special when he persists in drifting into the middle.
 
"Becks must be the least naturally gifted of the kids"

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Do you believe your own nonsense ?
 
"i watched Joaquin last night.. he looks a fantastic player.. pace, skill, and the ability to beat players! he could do a much better job than Becks.."

Keep on dreaming ... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by becks75:
<strong>"i watched Joaquin last night.. he looks a fantastic player.. pace, skill, and the ability to beat players! he could do a much better job than Becks.."

Keep on dreaming ... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

have you ever watched beckham play?

brooklyn's a more proficient dribbler. . .
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Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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have you ever watched beckham play?

brooklyn's a more proficient dribbler. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sad, but true.
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Originally posted by becks75:
<strong>"i watched Joaquin last night.. he looks a fantastic player.. pace, skill, and the ability to beat players! he could do a much better job than Becks.."

Keep on dreaming ... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


no.. you wake up.

have you seen him Joaquin play?


have you seen beckham play over the lst two years?? what does his give us on the right if he's not crossing the ball in?????? did you see how much difference Ole made on the right.. and he's not even a winger!

tit.
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"have you ever watched beckham play?

brooklyn's a more proficient dribbler. . ."

Yeah I know the opinion of top managers, footballwriters, millions of fans, the opta stats, the awards or his trophies mean nothing.
Only the muppets on this forum know the truth !!
It´s always nice to see sad jealousy people.

:D :D
 
Originally posted by becks75:
<strong>"have you ever watched beckham play?

brooklyn's a more proficient dribbler. . ."

Yeah I know the opinion of top managers, footballwriters, millions of fans, the opta stats, the awards or his trophies mean nothing.
Only the muppets on this forum know the truth !!
It´s always nice to see sad jealousy people.

:D :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

he can't ball carry. he's rubbish at it.

don't really see how you can argue, TBH.

ah sorry, i do. the clue's in your forum name. . .

:rolleyes:
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"have you seen beckham play over the lst two years?? what does his give us on the right if he's not crossing the ball in?????? "

15 goals and 12 assists last season. But I know he had a poor season..Muppet
 
"kin beckham fans."

kin jealousy beckham haters. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
Must be very hard too see that the one player you don`t like, gets recognition all over the world other players don`t get. :D
I well remember a post from you a year ago, as you said that becks will go to milan at the end of the season and take all his fans with him. Well we will still be here for a while :D
 
i don't hate him..


just his fans..


would you feck off and support milan if he moved, there?


btw do you think he's better than scholes?
 
"beckham fan:
so what does beckham give us, if he's not crossing the ball?

did ole not make a difference? "

Maybe you' re a little stupid.
:confused: (15 goals last season, great passing, great workrate) And yes Ole had a great game. But I remember also Haifa or the City game two weeks ago. Becks was also missing and we weren`t that brilliant ,were we ?
 
Originally posted by becks75:
<strong>"beckham fan:
so what does beckham give us, if he's not crossing the ball?

did ole not make a difference? "

Maybe you' re a little stupid.
:confused: (15 goals last season, great passing, great workrate) And yes Ole had a great game. But I remember also Haifa or the City game two weeks ago. Becks was also missing and we weren`t that brilliant ,were we ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

why are you getting worked up?

no point have a right winger, if he's playing in the middle... if he can't stay on the right, then i donlt see why SAF should persevere with him.. we need players who stick to what they are good at.. he is a great crosser..but he's fecking shite in the middle... when he comes into to the centre, our play doesn't stretch.. like i said, lets get joaquin..a fast, direct player with dribbling skills... iam sure you'll become his fan n'all.
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"btw do you think he's better than scholes?"

THey are two different types of players. Scholes has been in great form this season and was so far much better than Becks, who was well below par this season (not the last 2 years!)
Over the past 5 years Becks was a little better though Scholes has been class too.
 
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