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Wing-back prospects
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We’ve been linked to Davies recently. Makes you wonder if they’ve been thinking about players that the new manager might need for some time. He would be ideal for the left wing back role.
Milos Kerkez
Rayan Ait-Nouri
Leif Davis
Harry Amass
Rayan Ait-Nouri
Leif Davis
Harry Amass
It’s been mentioned that Amorim converts wingers into these positions. So we might see rotational options of a conventional WB against stronger opposition and a high work rate winger against weaker teams. You could also have one of each on opposing flanks.
With that in mind which wingers could adapt?
Dibling is somebody we’ve been linked to.
With that in mind which wingers could adapt?
Dibling is somebody we’ve been linked to.
I think goalscoring wingers are the ones that stand out more usually so its hard to remember the more rounded players. Elanga?
Hakimi was having some issues with PSG last season and was rumoured to want to leave. Anyone know what the latest is there?
Of course, it really depends on what type of player Amorim wants there.
Of course, it really depends on what type of player Amorim wants there.
Neco Williams at Forest is a decent option for wing back and would probably not cost the earth. Has some defensive limitations which show up in a back 4 but when he has played wing back on either side for Wales in fornt of a back 3 he has been one of their most dangerous players.
i would put out two of the younger guys who have legs and fitness to run up and down that wing....garnacho and amad
if you are goimg to be defensive minded...it's clearly dalot and maz
maz deligt martinez
amad cas ugarte garnacho
rashford bruno
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it gives rash and bruno the license to make runs in behind...which they already do...also makes them more accessible to counter quickly
if you are goimg to be defensive minded...it's clearly dalot and maz
maz deligt martinez
amad cas ugarte garnacho
rashford bruno
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it gives rash and bruno the license to make runs in behind...which they already do...also makes them more accessible to counter quickly
If you have 3 central defenders and at least 1 defensive midfielder - you can have 2 wingbacks who are more wingers than defenders as long as they track back
I don't really have a sense of what Amorim wants in a wingback.
Not mentioned so far and I don't watch much Lazio but Nuno Tavares seems to be putting up numbers. Was always good going forward. He's basically Lazio's now from Arsenal, and they'd triple their outlay if they sold him to us for 20M or so.
Not mentioned so far and I don't watch much Lazio but Nuno Tavares seems to be putting up numbers. Was always good going forward. He's basically Lazio's now from Arsenal, and they'd triple their outlay if they sold him to us for 20M or so.
yes...which is why i think you play amad and garnacho out wide b/c of their legs and youth with having a combo of two holding players like cas kobbie or ugarte
defensively those 5 would be fine but would have to get bruno and rashy to be much more disciplined defensively as those inside forward roles
I don't think he plays with an anchor type DM, but rather more fluid pressing box to box types that will look to win the ball back vice sitting back an defending. I think at least one of the wing backs will be a winger type given some level of creative freedom (maybe Amad or Garanacho) and other will be more traditional, like Dalot.
I mean Garnacho seems ideal if we are being honest. I understand people want him to be the next star winger but I’m not sure his technique and feel for the game is overall quite good enough to be relied on as a primary attacking outlet.
But he’s certainly got the pure stamina and athleticism to play as a more high work rate traditional winger who can pop up with goals and assists as well. And who knows, maybe his technique gets sharper and sharper and he turns into a Saka level winger.
Quentin Merlin or Nicola Zalewski worth a punt?
One inverted the other not.
He tends to use wingers as wing backs, their contribution going forwards more important than their defensive contributions. Garnacho and dalot or Garnacho and diallo. Though someone ideally suited to the role would frimpong.
There's an excellent analysis of Utd under amorim which breaks down all the roles and how our current squad would work under his tactics. In a nutshell, no future for Eriksen, Casemiro or rashford.
He's my favourite analyst.
I haven't seen the video yet, but I just don't see how Casemiro can't fit in the lineup. Apparently Amorim likes to play with box-to-box midfielders and Casemiro can actually play that role pretty well as he is very good defensively but also offensively where he contributes a good amount with creating chances, goal scoring, aerial ability and passing. I'll watch it tomorrow though, will see if it makes sense to me then!
I had 3 at the back down as a pragmatic way of utilizing our squad. With casemiro being one of the beneficiaries.
It seems like ineos may have felt the same judging by the rumours that De Ligt, Yoro and Branthwaite were independent signings.
It seems like ineos may have felt the same judging by the rumours that De Ligt, Yoro and Branthwaite were independent signings.
If he plays two inverted fullbacks ie he only used a left footed LB at sporting because that's what he had -
If he does only wants one inverted fullback on his pitch, we can go for left footed LB we can go for Davies from Bayern whilst having Dalot as our right footed RB.
De Ligt - Yoro - Martinez
Antony-Ugarte-Bruno-Garnacho
Amad - Rashford
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Antony could obviously swap with Amad and the Bruno plays further forward which allows Mainoo to play in a double pivot. Something maybe delusional makes me feel like Antony may be great under Amorim where he is used less as a goal scorer and more of a creator. Obviously this is just Amad's game though but Antony is much more defensively capable. If Antony is crap Amad can play as RB and we can target a new RW/RAM which is still one of our squad weaknesses.Antony-Ugarte-Bruno-Garnacho
Amad - Rashford
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If he does only wants one inverted fullback on his pitch, we can go for left footed LB we can go for Davies from Bayern whilst having Dalot as our right footed RB.
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What kind of wingbacks Amorim usually need? A powerful one with pace and strength who can beat his men like Reece James or Hakimi? Or someone who lacks of pace and strength but has technique and intelligence like Mazraoui?
Kerkez normally plays well against the big teams and is average against the rest, but I'd still prefer Dango Ouattara who kept him out of the team and played half his matches at leftback (taking Kerkez place) last season if its a wingback role. He has 1 goal and 1 assist in 415 mins this season playing as a winger. Fast, powerful, and goes past players. When he played leftback he won the ball a lot too and he's played on both wings so he can play either side.
A game from last season at leftback
A game from last season at leftback
We should be looking at Harrison Burrows from Sheffield United.
He only moved there in the summer from Petersborough but doing well now in the championship having been solid for his former team for some time (Was EFL league one player of the season last year)
I also think Leif Davis from Ipswich would be a good shout.
Both outside the box suggestions.
He only moved there in the summer from Petersborough but doing well now in the championship having been solid for his former team for some time (Was EFL league one player of the season last year)
I also think Leif Davis from Ipswich would be a good shout.
Both outside the box suggestions.
Would make sense to either get one high profile LWB (Theo Hernandez, Alfonso Davies) or two prospects (Leif Davis, Alvaro Carreras, Patrick Drogu, etc.)
@Yagami @Valencia Shin Crosses like some Championship talent. What you think
I’m less familiar with the wingback prospects than I am attackers/midfielders just because it’s such a niche role that you can’t just plop good fullback prospects there in general and expect it to work perfectly. I’ll have to look into them more.
I think Davis at Ipswich has a bit about him
I think it’s already been mentioned but the tactics stuff I’ve read up on suggests Amorim will want wingers playing the full back roles so they can be more dynamic when attacking.
I’m not saying he wouldn’t use a Dalot or Mazraoui on occasions but I can’t necessarily see him buying another traditional full back to play the role(s).
Someone like Frimpong is probably an exception but has obviously played further forward outright on occasion .
I’m not saying he wouldn’t use a Dalot or Mazraoui on occasions but I can’t necessarily see him buying another traditional full back to play the role(s).
Someone like Frimpong is probably an exception but has obviously played further forward outright on occasion .
I haven't actually watched much championship football for a while, mate. Not since around the time we had Amad on loan over at Sunderland. As @Valencia Shin Crosses said, wing backs don't stand out as much as say midfielders and attackers, but I remember Sunderland having some promising full backs when I was keeping up with them. I'll get back to you with their names (as I can't remember off the top of my head) and how they're doing now, but the thing is - like Valencia said again - they were mainly playing as full backs rather than as wing backs.
I was looking at your previous post above and I'm not familiar with those guys myself. On the other hand, I was chatting with @Invictus , and he recommended Geovany Quenda who's currently playing under Amorim at Sporting, and I have to admit he looks very promising. He's only 17 but he's taken to senior level football like a duck to water. He even got a nice assist against City the other night:
LWB
Mazraoui
Ait-Nouri in Jan and Shaw (if he's fit)
Shaw might also play Left of the 3 CB's when Martinez is rotated?
RWB
Dalot and Mazroui
Mazraoui
Ait-Nouri in Jan and Shaw (if he's fit)
Shaw might also play Left of the 3 CB's when Martinez is rotated?
RWB
Dalot and Mazroui
I have liked Kerkez whenever I have seen him.
Kerkez normally plays well against the big teams and is average against the rest, but I'd still prefer Dango Ouattara who kept him out of the team and played half his matches at leftback (taking Kerkez place) last season if its a wingback role. He has 1 goal and 1 assist in 415 mins this season playing as a winger. Fast, powerful, and goes past players. When he played leftback he won the ball a lot too and he's played on both wings so he can play either side.
A game from last season at leftback
Interesting shout. Seems direct and pacy while being agile and also quite physical. Like the fact his versatile too.
Lots of chatter around alphonso Davies today. His contract at Bayern is up next summer after he refused to sign a new one. Will be a few clubs in for him I’m sure.
No solid links yet though. Will be interesting to see what happens with him.
No solid links yet though. Will be interesting to see what happens with him.
Frimpong and Afonso Davies.
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Frimpong would be the one when the team has completed adapted to the system. The first year will likely see us field options that are more comfortable defensively, but with time, we should be able to have attacking wingbacks that play as high up as Frimpong does.
Really like the kid Cambiaso at Juve. Think he is a brilliant footballer overall, and can fill in at multiple positions
Its his lack of acceleration/ pace which is the issue. I am sure he will not be displaced so quickly as we really dont have anyone, unless Rube would like ot try Mount there or Bruno next to Ugarte, until Kobe is back. who I think will also struggle a bit with intensity.
Case on the other hand I can see stepping in as one of the 3 CBs, he can be very aggressive there stepping out and dictate the play without big worries of losing the balls like in midfield.
Geovany Quenda should be on our radar, future star player and perfectly suited for that role. So young and already useful. With obvious link to Sporting.
DOnt think he will do a full Ten Haag and sign only portuguese players he knew but we might definitely see a couple.
DOnt think he will do a full Ten Haag and sign only portuguese players he knew but we might definitely see a couple.
Yes literally only seen him once, but that was enough for me to have to google him and only 17. Looks to have real quality. Him for the right and Dorgu for the left would be great long term signings. Amass and Mazroughi and maybe even bring back ALvaro from Benfica....bin Dalot, Malacia and hate to say it but Shaw as well as good as he is.
But Quenda has a massive releae clause I am sure I read so dont think he would be good value fee wise.
I think he’s got a massive release clause and is contracted until 2027. He’d cost a fortune.
I don’t see the point in signing any more full backs when it’s clear Amorim prefers wingers.