For a 19 year old in his debut game, not conceding and not struggling too much is a succesful first half imo.
Willy Kambwala
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Nothing wrong with being excited by Willy.
Oh I'm very aware of what I intended thank you very much. Perhaps your post wasn't intended to be so pathetic? Where did I state that the player was being selected purely for his strength? Another poor, poor, post by yourself.
Embarrassing this. Trying to provoke a race debate. How do people describe kobe Mainoo? Intelligence is probably one of the main things. Take you race agenda somewhere else.
Not being tested really but a game like this will do worlds of good for his confidence either way.
Don't know about you but i hear it banded around alot about gym guys too. Don't have to take everything so sensitively.
Agreed
Willy rising to the occasion
Willy standing tall
Willy pulled off at half time
United introduce Big Willy but flaccid in attack
No Dicks for West Ham but United field Big Willy
Willy shoots for the top
Willy explodes in the box
Willy uses his head
Willy standing tall
Willy pulled off at half time
United introduce Big Willy but flaccid in attack
No Dicks for West Ham but United field Big Willy
Willy shoots for the top
Willy explodes in the box
Willy uses his head
Fair enough. I merely pointed out black players are more likely to be described for physical attributes and underlying cause is unconscious racism.
Your comment may not be motivated by this but it's still legitimate debate and worth highlighting when it occurs as unconscious biases are ultimately overcome with knowledge of them.
Awesome he's starting. How's his first half generally been ?
I want to see Willy on Areola at corners.
I fully understand the point you’re making and it is a sad fact of sports media in general.
However in this instance, there is literally very few reference points to assess the skill or potential impact of the player in question apart from what is obvious which is his physicality and height. I think a bit of nuance needs to be applied. Not that it matters but I say this as a person of colour.
It's literally supported by all data and research to date.
Yes, you can use that language without bias but the overrepresentation is attributed to unconscious bias.
That's true and I didn't say definitively it was racism in this instance, just it makes me uncomfortable. I'd rather we erred on the side of caution and if we do legitimately discuss physical attributes, we talk objectively about top speed, distance covered, aerial duels won, etc. It seems to be in the generalisation or labelling of players in which we find the bias.
Garnacho’s shoelaces is outdoing you on here I’m afraid
Just stop
Didn't tell the mod to stop did ya?
Car crash of a post.
Saying that describing the 6"4 19 year old cb who is clearly fast, strong and athletic as strong and athletic is now racist is pretty stupid.
Or do I need to check what heritage you are incase calling the post stupid is racist ?
Anyway - Kambwala has had a really really good debut. Looked very composed, mature and yes also strong. So let's not take away from this by other nonsense.
This is an interesting and important topic. I’m unsure however whether an individual player’s performance thread is the best place for it. Probably deserved its own thread or else go in an existing racism in football one, and I think you’ll get more productive replies/discussion that way too.
I think you're right. Posting it here seems to only have triggered a few people who do not understand the concept of unconscious bias.
I think they’d know if they have unconscious bias or not
Well no that is why its called unconscious. Saying that though calling a physically strong player physically strong is not unconscious bias
He was fantastic. Very impressive
We still lost by 2 goals, what's there to praise
An individual performance that was a debut. That’s what’s to praise.
The goals weren’t his fault, he was solid and assured. Didn’t do a lot wrong.
He did well but West Ham were shocking and didn’t put him under pressure. As soon as the upped the tempo he struggled
Quite decisive and packed some punch in passing. Pleasant to watch on the ball.
Chance finally given.
Chance finally given.
I find the idea of unconscious discrimination is troubling because it is an idea that can hardly be clearly defined.
In your case, you stated that the overrepresentation is attributed to unconscious bias. Overrepsentation could be statistiscally shown right or wrong, but being bias is a value judgement. Why do you take that statement naturally right then?
Decent. Had composure and had a good debut.
Hea just unfortunate that he’s in the worst United side for decades. Hope this doesn’t dent his confidence.
Hea just unfortunate that he’s in the worst United side for decades. Hope this doesn’t dent his confidence.
Solid debut.
Was described as physically strong yet lost all his duels. Seemed good on the ball though.
PENIS!
Disgusting!PENIS!
You missed my joke
How would you describe Kambwala? In terms of his abilties?
Looked composed and played well, can’t fault his performance.
I did wonder about this user name…