I see we are doing that thing where everyone beats who they are supposed to and loses to those better etc etc. Always play out like that.
Will we finish above Aston Villa?
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More often than not it does in seasons though, particularly in away games.
Hm, good question and very much depends how each of us does in Europe.
If we get 'relegated' to the EL again, we might easily finish below them, given how our manager hates prioritising.
I'd say it's 55-45 they finish above us.
If we get 'relegated' to the EL again, we might easily finish below them, given how our manager hates prioritising.
I'd say it's 55-45 they finish above us.
Not if McT remains as our top scorer
Not this season, no. They are playing football lightyears ahead of us currently. Meaning they will get results.
We can barely scrape a win vs the worst teams in the league.
We can barely scrape a win vs the worst teams in the league.
Still wins? I still don’t understand your point, there’s only one freak away win there amongst those hard games. I’m sure we could lose the vast majority of points from those games as well, where’s the disadvantage? That they equal our away form?
It’s pretty difficult to try and narrow our results down to this season to prove a point but somehow bring in last season as some sort of gotcha when the only point you have is that we didn’t win the games by more goals. Seems like a good problem to have imo.
I think we’re just talking in circles here, you’re trying to make an argument out of what you want to happen and fit narrative points around it that don’t quite work. This United side are just continuing on with what they’ve done last season, lose the bigger games away from home with the odd bad result at home but basically beat the rest. It’s how we got 75 points last season despite not winning one game away to the top 8/9 (?) last season. It’s why we’re weirdly only 6 points off the top despite all of the noise and why we could be 3rd in January and quite a few points clear of fourth despite not impressing in our performances.
We have City this weekend but then it’s only Newcastle and Liverpool away from this weekend until April where all the top teams are left for us to all play at home bar City. Keep this beating who we should record up and our league position will fry a lot of heads in a few months
I'd be utterly amazed if you get anywhere near 75 points this season. Maybe I'll be hopelessly wrong but trajectory so far looks more like you were doing under OGS/Rangnick.
That was a 58 point season, 11 points off Arsenal who didn't even finish top 4. 10 home wins and only 4 defeats. Rangnick actually only lost one home league match in his whole tenure so dosen't really compute to me with the players were totally chucking games under him but happy to be proved wrong on that.
We'll see who's right in six months I guess. Surprised you don't class Chelsea and Brighton as difficult away games based on records down there in last 5 years.
That was a 58 point season, 11 points off Arsenal who didn't even finish top 4. 10 home wins and only 4 defeats. Rangnick actually only lost one home league match in his whole tenure so dosen't really compute to me with the players were totally chucking games under him but happy to be proved wrong on that.
We'll see who's right in six months I guess. Surprised you don't class Chelsea and Brighton as difficult away games based on records down there in last 5 years.
We have a great chance, as long as we keep playing teams in the bottom half.
What if his season's tally is 50 goals?
We aren’t even discussing top 4. It’s “are we going to finish above Villa”?
Hyperbole much
Even with the poor form we're on track for mid 60s which is where we tend to end up every time we half decent season before hand - Jose good season 81 points followed by 66, Ole good season 74 points followed by 58, ETH good season 75 points....tbd so you are probably right. The only saving grace is it looks like there'll be a lot of CL place fighting teams dropping points along the way so we have a chance of 4th or 5th.
It's alright United fans saying this, but not oppo fans. Pitch forks!
Agree. There's a reason we're already out to 4/1 for top 4. 6 points off the top (effectively 7 with our awful goal difference) is big after 9 games and a pretty easy start.
Yeah statistically speaking the top three placed teams are pretty much nailed on but as I said I wouldn't be shocked if Liverpool is screwed over by ab injury crisis and arsenal has a mental collapse as I do find them as unlikely as they are grounded in reality.
Gun on my head I'd say city/Liverpool/arsenal will be the order of table come end of the season and we'll finish somewhere around 6th.
Again, have you seen our record v Chelsea? We haven’t lost to them in the league for 5 odd years or something ridiculous.
Maybe. I expect us to finish behind City, Liverpool and Arsenal for sure, and most likely behind 2 or 3 of Newcastle, Villa, Tottenham, Brighton and Chelsea.
What does this even mean?
Realistic. I'd argue we should be in the mid-60s at the end of the season though, given our injuries are a problem in our defence.
This won't save us against the better teams but against the lesser ones, we should be able to edge out more games with a couple more clean sheets.
I'd predict 7th on around 65 points. Similar to the Moyes season.
Does Man Utd play better than Aston Villa? Emery is appointed as Villa coach about the same time as ETH, and with much less resource to work with.
Yeh they blew us into the dirt last season.
As long as the team showed improvement in the game play then just trust the process/project. It takes time. It is the same for both Utd and Villa.
Nah sometimes you are just a bit shit and then you sort it TBH.
I predict we will finish somewhere from 5-8 this season.
We dont have players or the energy to play the fotball needed to get higher on the table.
We dont have players or the energy to play the fotball needed to get higher on the table.
With the worst run in many many years, accompanied by a injury hit defence, ownership mess, players misbehaving and a few new signings that have not started well, we are only 6 points off the top.
The way I see it, it can't get worse than it has already been this season, think we had 6 defeats in the first 10 games, I think the really question should be, will Villa finish ahead of United or throw in Brighton, spurs, arsenal, City, Liverpool etc.
The way I see it, it can't get worse than it has already been this season, think we had 6 defeats in the first 10 games, I think the really question should be, will Villa finish ahead of United or throw in Brighton, spurs, arsenal, City, Liverpool etc.
It can get worse, Sunday will be huge.
Anyone being in any way optimistic is based on the assumption that it'll drastically change and not using these 9-10 games as any basis. I do think we'll improve in the 2nd half of the season, but am skeptical over quite how much we'd improve and how far off the pace we'll be by then. I don't see a drastic change until then though given the focused injuries, the off pitch distractions, the within squad distractions... So I'm very doubtful of a CL qualification at this point. 5th always possible so we might squeeze in anyway, but I doubt it currently. I think we'll progress to top 4 form, but we'd need title winning form in the 2nd half to eat up the gap at that stage.
It can, look at our fixture list and then consider our current performances. November and December is going to get brutal.
May aswell have been called ‘will we finish above villa,Newcastle, Brighton’
8 points off the top. It can definitely get worse.
May be should change the question if the football Man Utd is currently playing better than Villa, Newcastle and Brighton. Utd is getting the results at the moment to be fair.
24 PL games lost 7, drew 7, and won 10. 12 points from last 12 PL games.
In games against the relegated and relegation survivors: Dropped points against both Southampton, Watford, and Burnley. Leeds and Norwich both equalized from 2 goals down, before we could get winner and escaped embarrassing result. Lost to Everton.
It's surprising that he only had one home defeat and it was against Wolves. It's a bit of freak luck due to fixture list and some odd good result against Tottenham, Arsenal, Chelsea at home.
Arsenal
City
Spurs
Pool
Newcastle
Villa
Brighton
Can’t see us finishing above these 7, we’re fighting with two other inconsistent teams trying to figure out in Chelsea and West Ham.
City
Spurs
Pool
Newcastle
Villa
Brighton
Can’t see us finishing above these 7, we’re fighting with two other inconsistent teams trying to figure out in Chelsea and West Ham.
Rangnick's spell was poor no doubt but you only really chucked it away from home as that season went on, your home form was still good even in the run in and Ronaldo was still scoring at a good rate at Old Trafford e.g. the hat trick v Spurs and think he scored another v Norwich.
There's only so high you can get up the table winning every other home game as that season showed.
Still not sure why it's a controversial opinion thinking you won't win as many home games as you did last season.
Because this season we have evidently struggled with all of our home games bar Crystal Palace in League Cup, even against beatable team. Even in games we ended up winning the result didn't reflect the performance.
Regarding 2021 2022 season, as explained before, there was some luck that home game against Liv, City, Arsenal were played before Rangnick took charge. 7 win from 12 remaining home game with only one notable victory against Conte's Tottenham. Few struggling games too, stoppage time winner against West Ham. Flattered to deceive 2-0 victory against Brighton where Brighton even when they're down to 10 men looked the better team.
So no Ronaldo who is obsessed to perform for the sake of himself this time to save the day. So if we play like this at home for the rest of the season, we may as well treat home games as away. Our current top scorers are Casemiro and Mctominay for a reason.
We’ll finish above at least villa or Brighton. Maybe both. Think the Europa will catch up with them both and they’ll drop off if they get deep into knockouts.
We'll likely be in the Europa ourselves.
We need to get the likes of Martinez and Shaw back, and Casemiro flying again to have a chance of top four. It’s been an extremely poor start really performance wise, but the amount of injuries at the back is ridiculous. It highlights the need for more similar players. Without Martinez we just struggle to progress the ball.
Nah if we beat Copenhagen in the next 2 games we’ll go 2nd. If Bayern beat Galatasaray obviously. It Galatasaray get something of Bayern then it turns out to be a difficult group. We just need to beat Copenhagen twice and Galatasaray at their place.
Plan is easy, doing it is the hard part. We fought toe to toe with Galata at home, I am having serious doubts we can beat any CL team away from home.