Will the competition for players be weaker this summer than past seasons?

KingMinger22

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The past three transfer windows we have been bystanders to the best talents moving around, with City, Real, Barca and to an extent Chelski dominating the market.

Could this summer be an opportunistic one, assuming we actually have funds?

Considering that Barca, Real and, to a large extent, City are so ridiculous stacked with quality players, and that Chelski are potential handicapped by the FFP rules... We should surely be in a position of strength to go after the best this summer, no?

With our net spend on transfers so moderate unde the Glazers and well under the figures suggested in the yearly forecasts, do you think this summer we may see a few top, top talents coming in?

Just wanted to hear some others viewpoints. I am extremely skeptical that we will sign any of the more high profile young talents but it's fun to be positive :p
 
I can't see us going for the 'top top players'. Every year someone says we will, but we rarely go for anyone in that bracket.

Key words will be: 'value', 'warchest' and 'happy with squad'
 
I think we'll sign one midfielder and maybe one youth player.
 
4 players:

2 Established and costing between £10m and £25m. A left winger and a left back.

1 Young player with clear potential a la Smalling and Jones

1 Speculative bargain bin buy from abroad a la Manucho, Bebe and Diouf.


No centremid as it will consist of:

Carrick, Cleverley, Anderson, Pogba, (Scholes and Fletcher)
 
Can we afford to miss out on opportunities such as Hazard and Gotze though?
 
Interval Level said:
Do you ever post anything which isn't transfer related?
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Not much recently. Three years ago I didn't even read the transfer forum because I had so much satisfaction in our squad. Now we are, IMO, behind three other clubs in Europe in terms of quality by a fair distance so I am hungry to see us make those couple of signings that could make us real CL contenders next year. I really want SAF to bag another CL before he retires but it would take a monstrous amount of luck with the current squad IMO.


Why do you care? Why do you even waste seconds of your life asking me that?
 
Sunny Jim said:
I think we will sing a left winger, a center back and maybe a cm. all for a grand total of 20 mil with the average age of 19 years of age. So no, we won't be competing for any established players.
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A left winger and a centre back?

Why would we spend on either of those areas? Already got Nani and Young, and in CB have three of the best youngsters in the world.
 
I think we'll end up with a forward if Berbatov leaves and one defender, most likely a full back but a centre half is also a possibility. Our midfield will stay the same although I am not sure Scholes will sign an extension.
 
Why have none of you addressed the question in the OP? He didn't ask, "What positions do the think we'll sign new players for in the summer?"
 
ciderman9000000 said:
Why have none of you addressed the question in the OP? He didn't ask, "What positions do the think we'll sign new players for in the summer?"
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I think everyone agreed with Crusty in the first reply.
 
Yes, but then it's been expected to some degree every year. Someone else will come out of the woodwork and spend all the big money, and we'll carry on as usual.

If it's going to be a splash out summer, then it'll be similar to last year with Young and Jones, or a few years back with Nani and Anderson. I'm not expecting to see another Nistelrooy and Veron whilst Ferguson's manager.
 
KingMinger22 said:
The past three transfer windows we have been bystanders to the best talents moving around, with City, Real, Barca and to an extent Chelski dominating the market.

Could this summer be an opportunistic one, assuming we actually have funds?

Considering that Barca, Real and, to a large extent, City are so ridiculous stacked with quality players, and that Chelski are potential handicapped by the FFP rules... We should surely be in a position of strength to go after the best this summer, no?

With our net spend on transfers so moderate unde the Glazers and well under the figures suggested in the yearly forecasts, do you think this summer we may see a few top, top talents coming in?

Just wanted to hear some others viewpoints. I am extremely skeptical that we will sign any of the more high profile young talents but it's fun to be positive :p
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For me the situation has not changed, irrespective of what other clubs have done or will do. I think SAF is always looking to bring in top talents throughout the year, every year. We have not signed midfield players for no other reason than we are not willing to pay the prices being asked.

Modric, Sneijder etc are 35-40m plus 200k wages. The likes of Goetze, Gaitan etc are not much less even though they are mostly still potential as yet. This is the only reason i can see why we have not signed what we need so far, we simply cannot (as yet) find the right type of player for a price we are willing to pay.

I cannot see the other big spenders not spending this summer. So once they are known to be looking for players, the prices and wages will remain far beyond reasonable. This is our problem and has been for a couple of seasons. I don't know if it is because we cannot afford to pay ridiculous amounts or whether SAF just does not want to set that type of precedent.

Whatever it is i am convinced we will only sign players who SAF believes are worth the money being asked. Sneijder has opened the door, if he drops his wage demands, the fee for him should not be as high as last year. Unlikely but a possibility nonetheless. Other than that i believe we will continue looking to pick up young talent for under the £20m mark.
 
i think we'll buy a silva type player (either Goetze/Gaitan)

i think we'll buy a left sided defender (possibly izaguirre)

I think any other signings depend on departures (Owen/Anderson/Pogba) could all leave conceivably - fletcher's health is also an issue

If Pogba signs up then we have carrick, scholes, giggs and anderson in the middle which is maybe still a bit light - it depends on fletchers health as well and how he sees Jones - he'll probably be a bit of a utility player over the next couple of years

the one thing that is predictable about our transfer policy is the fact that it is unpredictable
 
KingMinger22 said:
The past three transfer windows we have been bystanders to the best talents moving around, with City, Real, Barca and to an extent Chelski dominating the market.
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Didn`t we buy one of the world`s most talented goalies and one of the most talented defenders around last summer?
 
buckooo1978 said:
i think we'll buy a silva type player (either Goetze/Gaitan)
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Based upon what mate?

i think we'll buy a left sided defender (possibly izaguirre)
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Really? This is getting more bizarre by the sentence. With Evans, vidic, Jones, Smalling and Rio plus the kid we signed from City, why would we buy another defender?

If Pogba signs up then we have carrick, scholes, giggs and anderson in the middle which is maybe still a bit light - it depends on fletchers health as well and how he sees Jones - he'll probably be a bit of a utility player over the next couple of years
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What about Park and Cleverley?

the one thing that is predictable about our transfer policy is the fact that it is unpredictable
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Not really i would say our transfer policy has been extremely predictable for at least 3 years. We have consistently looked to sign young players for fairly modest prices, i see no evidence to suggest that will change this year. If the right player becomes available at the right price we will buy them, if not then young players will continue to be the way forward.

I don't want you to think i am simply being awkward disagreeing with every point you make, but i do not get the logic behind your reasoning at all. We need only one player this summer and that is cover for Carrick or a replacement for Carrick depending on your position. But a DM is a must for me, as it is the only position where we have absolutely no other options other than Carrick.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
A left winger and a centre back?

Why would we spend on either of those areas? Already got Nani and Young, and in CB have three of the best youngsters in the world.
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CB we have Rio, Vida, Smalling, Evans and Jones that is why Im expecting some 17- year old who will be ready in 3-4 years. No instant -impact player.


Left winger as i feel Nani/Val are our first choice on the flanks with Young being a good cover for one of them. With ageing Giggs and Park (who will be used centrally) i feel we a bit (just a bit mind you) short of recognized wingers.

Defo a left winger is not a priority but i sense we might be after one.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Are Gotze and Hazard any more established than Jones and de Gea?
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Of course not, but Goetze and Hazard have not been bought by anybody (yet). Additionally, technical flair players go for significantly more than defenders usually.

Minger's point in the op was that rival teams have been buying the likes of Fabregas, Villa, Di Maria, Silva, Aguero, Torres, Coentrao, Yaya Toure, Nasri, Sahin, Mata, etc.

Therefore could we move for the likes of Hazard and goetze if the activity this summer is lessened? For me no, the type of players we want are being significantly overpriced. I am absolutely certain if goetze was available at under £30m we would be in for him. When he goes it will probably be for at least twice that, (despite him still being as you correctly point out potential) and that is well beyond what we have been willing to pay thus far.
 
apotheosis said:
Of course not, but Goetze and Hazard have not been bought by anybody (yet). Additionally, technical flair players go for significantly more than defenders usually.

Minger's point in the op was that rival teams have been buying the likes of Fabregas, Villa, Di Maria, Silva, Aguero, Torres, Coentrao, Yaya Toure, Nasri, Sahin, Mata, etc.

Therefore could we move for the likes of Hazard and goetze if the activity this summer is lessened? For me no, the type of players we want are being significantly overpriced. I am absolutely certain if goetze was available at under £30m we would be in for him. When he goes it will probably be for at least twice that, (despite him still being as you correctly point out potential) and that is well beyond what we have been willing to pay thus far.
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No idea what KingMinger means, to be honest.

He comes across more occupied who we buy as opposed how we perform.
 
apotheosis said:
Of course not, but Goetze and Hazard have not been bought by anybody (yet). Additionally, technical flair players go for significantly more than defenders usually.

Minger's point in the op was that rival teams have been buying the likes of Fabregas, Villa, Di Maria, Silva, Aguero, Torres, Coentrao, Yaya Toure, Nasri, Sahin, Mata, etc.

Therefore could we move for the likes of Hazard and goetze if the activity this summer is lessened? For me no, the type of players we want are being significantly overpriced. I am absolutely certain if goetze was available at under £30m we would be in for him. When he goes it will probably be for at least twice that, (despite him still being as you correctly point out potential) and that is well beyond what we have been willing to pay thus far.
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Never seen this Goetze bloke, so haven`t got a clue. But £60m? Too right we shouldn't be in for anyone that price!
 
apotheosis said:
Based upon what mate?



Really? This is getting more bizarre by the sentence. With Evans, vidic, Jones, Smalling and Rio plus the kid we signed from City, why would we buy another defender?



What about Park and Cleverley?



Not really i would say our transfer policy has been extremely predictable for at least 3 years. We have consistently looked to sign young players for fairly modest prices, i see no evidence to suggest that will change this year. If the right player becomes available at the right price we will buy them, if not then young players will continue to be the way forward.

I don't want you to think i am simply being awkward disagreeing with every point you make, but i do not get the logic behind your reasoning at all. We need only one player this summer and that is cover for Carrick or a replacement for Carrick depending on your position. But a DM is a must for me, as it is the only position where we have absolutely no other options other than Carrick.
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1. based on our enquiries for clever AM players - we've no chance of getting modric, maybe sneijder's opportunity passed - i think we'll bring in a creative player in that mould

2. evra hasn't been as reliable and is getting on a bit - our backup is fabio who can't be relied upon to stay fit, who's next? evans?? - izaguirre is a quality player who we've made enquires about before his injury - hardly bizzare

3. fair point on cleverley - missed him out but Park is NOT a centre midfield player - did you see the games he played there this season??

4. its been obvious that the area we needed to strengthen most was midfield for the last 2 seasons - in that time we haven't signed a CM - we did sign Bebe tho - predicable?

I think all that makes sense - we'll agree to diasgree
 
buckooo1978 said:
1. based on our enquiries for clever AM players - we've no chance of getting modric, maybe sneijder's opportunity passed - i think we'll bring in a creative player in that mould

2. evra hasn't been as reliable and is getting on a bit - our backup is fabio who can't be relied upon to stay fit, who's next? evans?? - izaguirre is a quality player who we've made enquires about before his injury - hardly bizzare

3. fair point on cleverley - missed him out but Park is NOT a centre midfield player - did you see the games he played there this season??

4. its been obvious that the area we needed to strengthen most was midfield for the last 2 seasons - in that time we haven't signed a CM - we did sign Bebe tho - predicable?

I think all that makes sense - we'll agree to diasgree
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It makes more sense now you have clarified your thinking better. Regarding creative AM enquiries, all of those were before the emergence of Cleverley into the first team. If you look at our performances offensively at the start of the season, you will note we hardly looked devoid of creativity or goal threat.

Izaguirre, fair enough. Know nothing about him tbh. So i take your word on that.

Park is not a DM on his own, but is known for his industry. for the same reasons Fletcher cannot replace Carrick, add Park to that list. This is why we need cover for Carrick much moreso than any extra creativity.

Bebe was predictable in the notion that we were taking punts on young unknown players with potential. Which i would suggest has been pretty much our policy for the past 3 seasons. So although a disastrous signing for the money, the reasoning behind it was the same that brought us Hernandez, Obertan and Diouf.
 
It will be very difficult to buy a midfielder because Arsenal, Chelsea and City need one in England. Abroad Real, Bayern and Inter won't be against the idea of buying a talented midfielder either. It's probably the worst time to try to buy one.
 
Sarni said:
It will be very difficult to buy a midfielder because Arsenal, Chelsea and City need one in England. Abroad Real, Bayern and Inter won't be against the idea of buying a talented midfielder either. It's probably the worst time to try to buy one.
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1. Bayern and Inter really have no need for any. They ahve the talent to promote from with in.

2. Chelsea will need an attacking midfielder or 2. We won't be looking for one.

3. Real wont be buying more midfielders.

4. City might buy. But even if they did, they can't buy up all the type of players we might look at


All in all, I think you are being to pessimistic.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I personally hope that will be the case. I'd love to see Macheda and either King or Keane backing up Welbeck and Rooney.

However Fergie tends to likes having 2 experienced strikers around. That is why I can't see him letting both Owen and Berbatov go at the same time.
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i agree

I think berbatov should and will stay - owen seems a good bloke around the changing room but there's no point in carrying someone who is going to be fit for 3/4 carling cup games a year when we have macheda/keane coming up
 
City have de jong, milner, barry, silva, nasri, yaya toure, david pizzaro and hargreaves who all play centrally

they dont need anyone but i suppose it is City
 
buckooo1978 said:
City have de jong, milner, barry, silva, nasri, yaya toure, david pizzaro and hargreaves who all play centrally

they dont need anyone but i suppose it is City
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Don't forget though, Hargreaves will be gone i think, as will Pizzaro and De Jong, who Mancini didn't sign and does not rate that much from what i have seen.

City still have a few players left over from Hughes reign, who are not top quality. I think Mancini will still have a few in mind to bring in, and a few to get rid of.

On top of that i also believe City will be in the market for any exceptional player that becomes available. Especially if we are interested in them too....!
 
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