Why the shift of strategy?

Andy_Cole

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Seems a bit abrupt to be honest. Last week we were looking in the bargain basement with Rabiot and Anartouvic. Now we’ve signed Casemiro for £70m, looking to splash €80m on Antony, plus potentially buying De Jong, Gakpo, and a RB.

I guess a poll is needed as it’s one of these:
ETH pressuring the board
Ronaldo pressuring the board
Our bad start has made the board wake up
Potential Liverpool protests scaring the board
Sir Jim’s potential buyout and maximising United’s value

It’s frustrating we didn’t have this tactic when the window started. But happy we’re not ending the window with an under invested squad whatever the reason.
 
FDJ is not joining us. That means the money earmarked for him has been released to sign other players i.e. Casemiro. As far as I know it’s always been said we would approach for Antony at the end of the window finances permitting. Not getting De Jong has probably helped in that sense in that De Jong would be on a lot higher wages.
 
Seems a bit abrupt to be honest. Last week we were looking in the bargain basement with Rabiot and Anartouvic. Now we’ve signed Casemiro for £70m, looking to splash €80m on Antony, plus potentially buying De Jong, Gakpo, and a RB.

I guess a poll is needed as it’s one of these:
ETH pressuring the board
Ronaldo pressuring the board
Our bad start has made the board wake up
Potential Liverpool protests scaring the board
Sir Jim’s potential buyout and maximising United’s value

It’s frustrating we didn’t have this tactic when the window started. But happy we’re not ending the window with an under invested squad whatever the reason.

Brentford scared the living daylights out of a lot of people. I imagine our board, players and owners were all shell-hocked after that.
 
Because today is just as important as tomorrow. I’m sure that ideally, we’d have liked evolution over revolution, and a more measured approach - but it’s becoming increasingly clear that what we have cannot even do the minimum in the immediate term.
 
It's possibly not a strategy and just opportunistic. For example Casemiro and Anthony agents telling United that their clients are now seriously contemplating a transfer and willing to put pressure on their clubs.
 
Let's see how things pan out first before we get too giddy talking multiple transfers.

So far we've simply used a good chunk of the De Jong money on Casemiro.
 
Reminds me a little of LVG's first summer when we only bought in Shaw and Herrera and probably the club thought all would be well under a 'proper' coach. And then it all comes crashing down with a string of poor results in opening games. Then the club realizes the scale of the problem and goes on a spending rampage to quell fan anger and unrest.
 
Because the old strategy wasn't working?

I wouldn't even mind a couple bargain basement signings if we add another one or two top quality signings as well.
 
If you were selling the club what do you think gets the biggest offer? A United fighting relegation and major surgery needed? Or a resurgent United on the up with a new squad?
 
It was triggered by the initial broad agreement with Barcelona for FdJ expiring. United then started flipping over the alternative stones and one happened to eventually be Casemiro.

Antony has been linked since EtH became manager. With the on-going Ronaldo situation where the club is letting Mendes seek out a viable transfer (which doesn't look good for them), United are still tapping into the window - Sesko, Marko, Gakpo, etc. AwB has been frozen out so a slow burn of a RB incoming is there too.

With the shit start and transfer window closing by the day, the noise of transfers become amplified when United really have just been going about in a broad way.
 
Because the Glazers only properly react when the gun is against their head, and they feel threatend.

This has probably been the worst week ever for them, hopefully nest week is worse.
 
Because the Glazers only properly react when the gun is against their head, and they feel threatend.

This has probably been the worst week ever for them, hopefully nest week is worse.
They live in America and they’re completely disconnected from it all. They don’t feel the pressure from poor performances but they might feel pressured by staff threatening to walk in big positions. Ultimately whatever devalues the club and makes sponsors unhappy is what motivates them into action.
 
The Glazers got delusions of grandeur about ETH turning the likes of McTominay and Maguire into actual footballers and saw an opportunity to penny pinch. Brighton and Brentford smashed that fantasy into pieces and now we're panic buying.
 
I presume sitting at the foot of the table is not the look they want to highlight to prospective investors. Also, they need to distract and divide fanbase, change headlines. So pursestrings open. Still no investment in stadium, still no clue about football. They want to protect their money cow.
 
They live in America and they’re completely disconnected from it all. They don’t feel the pressure from poor performances but they might feel pressured by staff threatening to walk in big positions. Ultimately whatever devalues the club and makes sponsors unhappy is what motivates them into action.

Same thing as what I said, whenever it might hurt them, they react.

We just need it to be not so easy as spending money that isn't reallly theirs to smooth things over this time.
 
The shocking results combined with the anger from the fanbase and calls for the Glazers to sell.

It's funny because had we won the first 2 games the whole narrative would've been different.
 
I don't think we have any grand transfer strategy. It would seem the Glazers had hoped that ETH might somehow get Top 4 (the only thing they care about) with this squad. Once it became blatantly obvious that was not going to be possible, coupled with strong interest from Ratcliffe to buy the club plus fan discontent, they have decided to spend.
 
Seems a bit abrupt to be honest. Last week we were looking in the bargain basement with Rabiot and Anartouvic. Now we’ve signed Casemiro for £70m, looking to splash €80m on Antony, plus potentially buying De Jong, Gakpo, and a RB.

I guess a poll is needed as it’s one of these:
ETH pressuring the board
Ronaldo pressuring the board
Our bad start has made the board wake up
Potential Liverpool protests scaring the board
Sir Jim’s potential buyout and maximising United’s value

It’s frustrating we didn’t have this tactic when the window started. But happy we’re not ending the window with an under invested squad whatever the reason.

The whole situation is confusing and I dont think anyone will be able to give an answer.

I can only think that when ETH came in, there were little to no players recommended from the current scouts. So he signed players he knows - Malacia, Martinez and Ajax old boy Erickson.

Marko Arnautovic played under Steve McLaren at Twente, so was probably a recommendation from him as a backup. God knows where the Rabiot idea came from.

Seems like his number 1 target, FDJ is not happening. Maybe we could have held out to the end of the window for him, but having seen just how bad we were in the first two games, i think someone hit the panic button and we signed the best player available in Casemiro.

Maybe the Glazers have freed up some more cash. With a potential sale being discussed, even if it's just a minority holding, it's preferable for the team to be doing well right now.
 
They live in America and they’re completely disconnected from it all. They don’t feel the pressure from poor performances but they might feel pressured by staff threatening to walk in big positions. Ultimately whatever devalues the club and makes sponsors unhappy is what motivates them into action.

Aint nobody walking. Where would Richard Anrnold, Darren Fletcher or John Murtough go?

Only person who the Glazers will be worried about leaving is Ronaldo.
 
I have a perhaps optimistic feeling that Ratcliffe/Dubai are buying United and we are just spending £££ from them before the sale goes through.
 
It could be many things that are unrelated to fan protest and ownership takeovers - losing the first 2 games with awful performances, re-allocating the De Jong money to other targets and the deadline of the transfer window looming. It wouldn't be the first time we've panic bought.

I still think ultimately we're still not going to get what we need. After Casemiro and Anthony, we'd still need another midfielder, right back and goalkeeper. We could really also do with another attacker even if Ronaldo doesn't leave, but if he does a striker is also a must.
 
Desperation. Not much tv or Adidas money for finishing 16th
 
Shift of strategy? You can't shift strategy if you don't have one. Is it a joke?
5'9" CB in PL (yes, yes, yes - I know about Cannavaro and Puyol).
30+ year old DM for 60 or 70mil. I have to agree - he is great DM and I'm happy but it's so short term ....
Keeping and even allowing to play 37-year-old entitled Primadonna who should've been on the bench by now.

I was hoping for real rebuild and looks like another short time reset to shut fans up.
 
The fairly obvious one. We aren't getting De Jong.
That money has gone into Casemiro and now we can also add the remaining budget from the expected FDJ deal to get an attacker. Pretty simple really.
Anyone talking about Glazers or us losing the first two games and being in panic mode aren't taking into account how quickly the Casemiro deal occured and how clearly we have been chasing FDJ and Antony all summer.
Blame the Glazers all you want, but the transfer outlay has nothing to do with fan complaints or them potentially wanting to sell the club. The dialogue from the club had always been to spend money this summer.
People have simply chosen to get into hysterics, buy some of the media drivel and whine consistently.
Would it be fantastic if they went, sure. However let's not act like we didn't plan to make the moves we have made.

On another note. This idea of transfer strategy is absurd. From the look of the market this window, noone is following a plan. In fact, I will go as far as saying I can't think of many instances where any team had a clear strategy. It's always been about what's available in the market. Would anyone really say Fergie had a strategy in the market? The only ones I can think of really are the idea of buying galacticos at Madrid in the 2000's, Wenger's purchase of cheaper talent from ligue 1 and both Liverpool and our British preferences over the last decade; Liverpool with Dalglish and Hodgson and us with Ole. I can also definitively state that teams change actions depending on what's happening in the market. City, for example, have had windows where they sign players early and others where they have signed them later in the window. Liverpool have had expensive purchases like Van Dijk, but have also taken chances on talent like Robertson. The transfer market is usually a very reactive space because signing players depends on factors ( availability, price, buyer and seller) that are not constant. Look at the Barca deal for FDJ. We had agreed on a fee pretty early with Barca, but we then found out about how dire their financial situation was and how that would affect our ability to get our target. The price kept shifting based on Barca's financial situation. The availability of the player, determined by both the player and the club, have consistently varied throughout the window, Chelsea ended up coming in as a competitor and the situation is still at a standoff. We negotiated that deal for De Jong relatively quickly and in most cases that transfer would have been concluded by mid- July. I think people generally read way too much into these things.

Last season, people were praising us for our business in the transfer market, but by mid-november it was clear it had unsettled our squad.
 
When all this settles down, one thing United might look back on and be very grateful for: Raboit's mum! If she hadn't been so difficult Casemiro might never have happened. A real 'sliding doors moment' I think.
 
Presumably the Glazers have been promised that any investment that takes place now will be doubled in value, and then added to the final purchase price of the club. So we might spend well over a billion pounds in the next week or so.
 
If buying a Ballon d’Orr nominated holding midfielder is panic buying then I hope we panic for the next week or so until deadline day.
 
Because Joel and Avram are shitting their pants
Definitely. Value of their shares goes in the toilet if they are flirting with relegation this winter. Then they'd be selling at an absolute low.

Can't fire a manager of his status when everyone knows you didn't get him what he needed. Fans are rioting in the streets. Sponsors are undoubtedly angry. The board got cornered and had no choice but to loosen the purse strings.
 
Casemiro was a text book panic buy and I believe it has something to do with getting embarassed in the two opening games. The midfield is a joke and probably ETH realized how sucidal it would be to approach the season without proper reinforcements.

It's also clear the Manchester United was fully committed to attain only ETH targets throwing away any scouting or any semblance of a sporting direction done by the club (if there was any of that). He even declared something along the lines of going with what the team already had if Frenkie's transfer didn't materialize.

The terrible results surely made everyone rethink about their posture and change the plan. It's something completely reactionary but it's something better than chasing players like Rabiot and Anartouvic.
 
Seems a bit abrupt to be honest. Last week we were looking in the bargain basement with Rabiot and Anartouvic. Now we’ve signed Casemiro for £70m, looking to splash €80m on Antony, plus potentially buying De Jong, Gakpo, and a RB.

I guess a poll is needed as it’s one of these:
ETH pressuring the board
Ronaldo pressuring the board
Our bad start has made the board wake up
Potential Liverpool protests scaring the board
Sir Jim’s potential buyout and maximising United’s value

It’s frustrating we didn’t have this tactic when the window started. But happy we’re not ending the window with an under invested squad whatever the reason.
Ratcliffe bid was real. Glazers felt the heat, agreed to either a) get the chequebook out or b) pretend to - but then say "oh sorry we ran out of time with the window I guess".
 
I’m not sure the word “strategy” is apt here.

We’re a club that cannot afford to to rebuild and risk below the top ten, which is what it would take to rebuild and be a proper PL contender in 3-4 seasons. For whatever reason, the new manager had no idea who poor McFred were, but now he knows and we’ve brought in Casemiro. The new manager is docked at how poor Rashford is, so we’re in for Antony.