Actually, in a UK context, we were the biggest spenders, but I take your point about Ole not being able to command a Premier League job apart from with us when we gave him the job.
Why so many knee-jerk reactions and negativity 7 games in?
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Mike Oxard. The name alone is a juvenile pun. Obviously a WUM.You better be Ole himself. Otherwise, God help you.
No it’s not. There are lots of us with names like this up here. I’ve got a mate called Hugh Janus and another called Drew Peacock.
….we’ve reached the point where to even utter the suggestion that we should tough this out and stick by our guns is viewed as heresy.
Big Ron finished 4th every season if my memory serves me right. Fergie wouldnt have happened if he had been under the Glazer stewardship. Its all how it defined at the era it happened. Utd never were in title fights for most of the 26 years they didnt win it before 93.
The Glazers have built this behemoth of a commercial business to the detriment of the general footballing side, which in itself is strange. Now they cant afford not to be competing for the top 4 at least every season. Ole has shown he has a ceiling and needs hundreds of millions in players just to get close, as his managing and his coaching team are simply out of their depth amongst the big boys.
He won the FA Cup twice, (when the FA Cup meant something), but Liverpool were so dominant, finishing 2nd was still a mile off. I think it’s more about attitude of the players rather than coaching. These players are not ‘young’, surely they know that closing down and running are pre-requisite? It’s just bad attitude, which means that they should be dropped until it improves. We also can’t afford to have ‘undroppables’ in a team, so Bruno, Maguire and dare I say Ronaldo should be droppable. A new manager in the guise of Conte, Klopp, Guardiola etc would donit in a heartbeat if a player wasn’t putting the effort in. Ole should start there.
Am I hallucinating or are people still batting for the manager?
Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Bayern, PSG to name a few…never progress.
You heard it first in Caf.
Also, what about Man City? Won the title in 2012 with Mancini. Won it in 2014 with Pellegrini. And won it in 2018, 2019 and 2021 with Guardiola. Zero progress there.
It's only Liverpool/City fans remaining in the Ole-in camp.
Well, as I said earlier, in my opinion, the Premier League is different to the Euro Leagues (less money, lower quality etc).
As fo City, so far as I’m aware, they didn’t sack Mancini or Pellegrini due to a few bad results.
Ok, let’s see then in EPL.
In the last 10 seasons, City have won 5 leagues with 3 different managers. Chelsea have won 2 leagues with 2 different managers. They also won 2 UCLs with 2 different managers (also different from those that won the leagues). The by far two most dominant teams in the country won a combined 7 leagues and 2 UCLs with 7 different managers. Oops, your theory is broken.
EPL is not different to the other leagues at all in that aspect. Good teams with good managers win titles everywhere. Good teams with shit managers (relative to the other managers in the league) don’t win titles anywhere, regardless of how much time you give to that shit manager. As the saying goes ‘you cannot polish a turd’.
Mostly City fans pretending to be United fans.
I said that Chelsea were the exception. Guardiola is in his 6th year of management at City. Klopp is in his 7th. Guardiola inherited a side that had won the league a couple of seasons before, so ‘fine tuning’ was all that was needed. A bit different to Solksjaer, who inherited a group of players who were nowhere near the title.
Since SAF, we’ve had Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and now Ole. On average, we’ve changed manager every 2 years. Call me old fashioned, but I would say that the constant changing of managers hasn’t worked for us.
Assuming you are aware of the context in the scenario you keep referencing given your volume of posts, you’re either about 10 years old or the worst disguised wum we’ve had. And boy, we’ve had some legends.
It isn’t changing the manager that’s the problem there, it’s picking poor managers in the first place.
Causality runs in the opposite direction here. It is not that we were not successful because we were changing managers, it is the other way around - we were changing managers because they were not successful (due to being not good enough).
I mean if we invoke history of our success it is precisely the changing of managers that worked for us - had we not been doing it, we would not have hired Fergie in 1986. So basically what worked was (1) changing managers until you find the right one. (2) hiring young up-and-coming manager with proven history of significant overachievment incl.trophies in smaller club and league and then sticking to him. But NOT sticking to past-it managers (LvG, Jose) or managers whose CV does not stack up (Moyes and especially Ole). I am amazed how history gets rewritten to justify keeping Ole in the job.
And Ole inherited a team which finished on 82 points 6 months before. He is not achieving this tally in any of his 3 full seasons here and after close to 400m spent on players. Now he is underperforming even Jose bust-up season. Let's not pretend that he inherited a chronically midtable side, he did not. LvG and Jose's sides were still either top4 or close.
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Is Mourinho a ‘poor manager’?
He did finish 2nd last year though.
He staying until the end of the season, if it unravels then replace with Poch or Ten Haag.
Question here is if Ole finishes third and somehow wins the champions league does he still need to go?
Question here is if Ole finishes third and somehow wins the champions league does he still need to go?
Agree entirely. If he wins the Champions League, I’d have though a statue as well as a contract would be in order.
Well, yes. I think his time with us, Spurs and now at Roma have settled that argument.
I would be fine with Ole if he at least tried to show that he prepared the team for the game, but its clear that he isnt doing much at all. Whats up with this guy? The favoratism of players, buddies as coaches, killing player careers, doesent learn from mistakes, HIGH press against fudging LFC without practising it beforehand, slow at doing substitutes, the same blablabla when we loose….
Love his time with us as a player and his time with us as interim manager. Not so much now…
Love his time with us as a player and his time with us as interim manager. Not so much now…
He is a City fan and a WUM.
He is not winning UCL, for crying out loud. He cannot win a League Cup, let alone UCL.
I have to wonder when the fans will give a manager the chance to finish the project they started if Ogs gets sacked.
Every time someone compares Sir Alex to Ole I die a bit inside
If a manager can't show anything worth keeping in the first season then it's time to go. If in a few months of a season it's nothing but complete garbage than it's better to cut cords. Sir Alex is the exception to the rule that most managers don't start off really poorly and do a 180 and become the perfect manager. Usually you can see evidence or reasons to be optimistic, either through underlying stats that results don't match up with or general play and behind the scenes work. What's Ole doing? The performances are worse than the actual really bad results anyway, 3 years in. How long does he need?
OGS winning UCL and saving his job. Only on Redcafe.
Yeah, quite remember writing that at the moment and hoping to be proven wrong.
Unfortunately i was not.
We're all hoping for the same thing, that same LINE to be repeated again for our kids to hear "....and Solskjaer has won it!!!"
It would give me no greater pleasure then for Ole to win something as a manager of Manchester United.
Just a cup.
And for that reason only, i would give him till the end of the season. For the chance of winning at least a cup. A single cup.
That, and the fact that apparently some managers who are being targeted do not want to come in mid season.
It appears that the board feel the same. Ole survived Liverpool humiliation and a damning defeat against City.
They will give him until there is at least a chance of winning something.
Buckle up Caf. It's gonna be a bumpy ride.
I know this thread is from October, but I just can't believe anyone thought we were being knee-jerk!
It’s not out of the question to get lucky and win a champions league, see di Mattel.
Seriously though it is a far stretch I admit
.It's because some think a new season means the concerns of the previous one are completely erased and forgotten
…that’s why he deserves a statue if he pulls it off.It’s not out of the question to get lucky and win a champions league, see di Mattel.
Seriously though it is a far stretch I admit
Look where he is now
Nope, he was poor too.
Definitely. We caught him on the decline. See his work following United. He's gone from a top manager to bang average. As with many things we caught him when he was fried.
Wrong. Klopp deserved more time because you could his impact on Liverpools football. Our 4 post SAF managers have all lacked that and hence it wasn't a matter of needing more time but not being up to the mark. It's pure delusion to expect David Moyes to win PL titles with United after he was completely and utterly out of his depth in 13/14.
Also, supports City
There’s a trend here. Any manager who doesn’t succeed in double quick time with us is ‘poor’.
Maybe the problem is elsewhere in the equation.
City should have stuck with Bobby Manc, would have a CL 3peat, sextuple by now.