Why so many knee-jerk reactions and negativity 7 games in?

And that's fair enough, so let me try and address your questions directly

(1) Given the plethora of data at the disposal of managers today and the general outlook of sports casters and fans alike, I do agree that in the short term that a player led system with less cog like efficiency is likely to produce results only if the players that are given that freedom are within the top 5% of their roles. Having players that are below this level leads directly to less favourable positions and ineffective results. I'd argue that we're dealing with that though and that given time and patience we will fill in those areas that are lacking and come good. Others dont' want to wait for that or have no faith of it coming good, I get that, but I didn't grow up with instant gratification and I've never really fallen into that world... those who have are never going to wait.

(2) I believe he can do it yes, I could be wrong but thus far whilst his results have not yet gained us silverware they have shown a continuous (albeit slow) improvement from the moment he took over. One might argue that there are others who could have produced results faster, indeed there are those who argue that this is as far as the current management can take us but I've yet to see why exactly that is. Whilst improvement may be slow, slow improvement is usually the type that sticks for longer too. So I'll be patient.

Finally, as for invoking Sir Alex, I didn't... he'd been brought up already in this thread as a rod to beat the manager with, I simply pointed out that the manager sets himself up to play in a particular way and that unless you can find another manager that sets up the same way but with better results. I'm happy to keep the one we have... as has already been observed by many, the alleged top managers in the world right now all play football that we as a club have shunned and disliked as a fan base for years. If this is the best manager for our style and setup, then we should keep going with it until either a) we win something and everyone gets behind him or b) someone else with the same format comes available that has a better record than our current manager.
How long are you willing to wait ?
and what improvements has he actually made?
 
Inexcusable with the money spent and the talent in the squad. It’s all on Ole. Stupid decisions, unbalanced midfield, lack of any cohesion. Playing like absolute strangers! That is totally, 100% on the coach.

He needs to go NOW to save the season. Anyone backing him at this stage is actively working against what is best for the club.

It’s not up for debate anymore, the quality of football couldn’t be any worse for the standard of players we have.

If you care at all, it is impossible not to be angry. Yet, caring is now seen as a negative on the forum.

There is a massive difference between abusive posters and those who have just seen and felt for a long time that he isn’t the right man. It doesn’t make you any better than the latter to still be supporting him at this stage.

Ole out…today
 
I have avoided the thread like the plague. I don't see any Ole in fans as real fans at this stage. Have to be trolls or deluded fools. Don't give "..but but SAF did..." as excuse.
 
Please does not have a clue how to use tge squad we have, it's a very good squad, better than most in the PL
Ole is just a bad manager, Ole win the PL, FFS the way we are playing, we will be lucky to win another game this season.
 
I have avoided the thread like the plague. I don't see any Ole in fans as real fans at this stage. Have to be trolls or deluded fools. Don't give "..but but SAF did..." as excuse.
Most of our rival’s fans are praying that we keep Ole on as long as possible.
 
Solskjaer should be embarrassed to evoke that ridiculous "Man United DNA" flannel next time he is asked about progress or playing style. We are not only under prepared but seemingly arrogant too, thinking we can just turn up at a ground like Leicester and play our football without any discernible plan, it's almost insulting.
 
Some people's heads are so buried in the sand, it's almost traumatic. Like Stockholm Syndrome.
His post is mental
We’ve signed almost whole team of players for Ole
It’s not like the players who haven’t been replaced are bad either, they are just being tasked with a job they can not perform.
The football has not got better in the last 2 years it’s stayed the same, are expectations were just lower before
 
It's almost as if a man managing in Norway, with no record at the top level wasn't the man for the job in the first place...
 
Imagine thinking people are only forming their opinions after 7 games instead of 2 and a half seasons of utter dross
 
Inexcusable with the money spent and the talent in the squad. It’s all on Ole. Stupid decisions, unbalanced midfield, lack of any cohesion. Playing like absolute strangers! That is totally, 100% on the coach.

He needs to go NOW to save the season. Anyone backing him at this stage is actively working against what is best for the club.

It’s not up for debate anymore, the quality of football couldn’t be any worse for the standard of players we have.

If you care at all, it is impossible not to be angry. Yet, caring is now seen as a negative on the forum.

There is a massive difference between abusive posters and those who have just seen and felt for a long time that he isn’t the right man. It doesn’t make you any better than the latter to still be supporting him at this stage.

Ole out…today

Completely agree with everything you have said. The only problem is though is that I can’t see the owners viewing it the same as the fans. Especially when they are given his coaching staff contract extensions like Carrick & McKenna.

Thing is I’m extremely envious at how Abrahamovich runs Chelsea. None of this bullshit 2-3 year projects. The guy wants instant results and isn’t afraid to sack managers when he knows that they ain’t going to achieve that for him regardless of what their stature at the club is or what they have achieved as managers elsewhere.
 
Inexcusable with the money spent and the talent in the squad. It’s all on Ole. Stupid decisions, unbalanced midfield, lack of any cohesion. Playing like absolute strangers! That is totally, 100% on the coach.

He needs to go NOW to save the season. Anyone backing him at this stage is actively working against what is best for the club.

It’s not up for debate anymore, the quality of football couldn’t be any worse for the standard of players we have.

If you care at all, it is impossible not to be angry. Yet, caring is now seen as a negative on the forum.

There is a massive difference between abusive posters and those who have just seen and felt for a long time that he isn’t the right man. It doesn’t make you any better than the latter to still be supporting him at this stage.

Ole out…today
Agreed.
 
The fact the board are not taking decisive action is another example of why we need the Glazers out.
 
This is the equivalent to last year's thread after winning to RBL.
 
Can we change the thread title to 8 games, please.

So what the f*** is positive in being beaten by Villa and Leicester, struggling against lowly European sides, spending in excess of £400 m and no trophies in Ole’s tenure? You’re correct
, we will be negative again.I see us being knocked out of the CL and being humiliated by the Scousers and City if things continue as they are.


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It’s only 1 more game, but if we’d lost 1-0 I wouldn’t be as worried, but we lost 4-2, after going 1-0 up too.

As a passionate member (haha! Member) Ole In side of the debate, even I am starting to worry what is going on at the club.

Genuinely concerned for the Liverpool game, we should be ok for Atalanta, but even that’s going to be tough.

I still want them to stick with Ole, but things need to change & change fast!

I fear we are gonna get spanked by Liverpool….
 
I think the knee jerk is knowing that there is limited scope for something to change, our DM/CM situation and CB situation is not a quick fix, we have no players to change it unless we play somebody like Lindelof out of position as DM, so next game, and the game after we will see the same mistakes which cost against Leicester and that have been prevalent all season.
 
It’s only 1 more game, but if we’d lost 1-0 I wouldn’t be as worried, but we lost 4-2, after going 1-0 up too.

As a passionate member (haha! Member) Ole In side of the debate, even I am starting to worry what is going on at the club.

Genuinely concerned for the Liverpool game, we should be ok for Atalanta, but even that’s going to be tough.

I still want them to stick with Ole, but things need to change & change fast!

I fear we are gonna get spanked by Liverpool….

Your hope is based on your fondness for Ole as a figure in the history of the club you love.

There is no real evidence.

It is time for the Ole In crowd to face the reality of the situation we are in. Rivals with a similar quality of player, but world class coaches, playing much, much better football than we are, week, after week, after week.

We all would have loved it had Ole proven to be a good coach but the start to the season is the result of 3 years of coaching. It’s abysmal. Not even close to what it should be with some really special players on the pitch.

We all love Ole, but he needs to go. He will never be the man. There is literally no upside to writing off another season. Liking Ole isn’t a good enough reason.
 
It’s only 1 more game, but if we’d lost 1-0 I wouldn’t be as worried, but we lost 4-2, after going 1-0 up too.

As a passionate member (haha! Member) Ole In side of the debate, even I am starting to worry what is going on at the club.

Genuinely concerned for the Liverpool game, we should be ok for Atalanta, but even that’s going to be tough.

I still want them to stick with Ole, but things need to change & change fast!

I fear we are gonna get spanked by Liverpool….

why?
 
All those people moaning few weeks ago at us who were not celebrating Villarreal win much. It was horrible performance, lucky win and showed what to expect in games to come.
 

He shouldn’t be sacked after that, Leicester are a good side, but questions should be asked now.

Give him till January, but even then it may be too late.

Questions should be asked about coaching/tactics, can we get better coaches in to help out.

Ronaldo, Pogba are going to be asking these questions, so I expect the board will too
 
Come on. The great man retired in 2013. Its not like football has completely changed the last 8 years, or are you implying that if Fergie was in charge still he would get humiliated by Klopp and Pep
He wouldn't be better than either. SAF struggled before he retired.
 
Imagine thinking people are only forming their opinions after 7 games instead of 2 and a half seasons of utter dross

I think anybody who thinks this is knee-jerk has their head in the sand. The feeling has been around a whole lot longer than 7 games, it's just that more people are becoming outspoken about Ole as manager. I love Ole to bits but he's not the right man for the job. It's so plainly obvious at this point you would need to have just learnt about football to think he stands a chance of steering us to the top. It's either going to be a short sharp exit or a long drawn out, and painful departure.

We are absolute mince meat against Liverpool next week, that's for sure.
 
I feel we’ve gone back to 4/5 years ago when I just felt so sorry for DAVID DE GEA.
Constant worldie saves that kept us in games. This season is the same.

can anyone really tell me what the game plan is? What is the overall tactic? Counter attack? Possession?
Why after 3 years of ole coaching can our £50m right back still not attack confidently?
 
It’s only 1 more game, but if we’d lost 1-0 I wouldn’t be as worried, but we lost 4-2, after going 1-0 up too.

As a passionate member (haha! Member) Ole In side of the debate, even I am starting to worry what is going on at the club.

Genuinely concerned for the Liverpool game, we should be ok for Atalanta, but even that’s going to be tough.

I still want them to stick with Ole, but things need to change & change fast!

I fear we are gonna get spanked by Liverpool….
If not changing the manager, then what exactly do you propose is changed at this point?

You fear we may get spanked by Liverpool, but want the manager to remain for this fixture.

I am confused with your logic.
 
He shouldn’t be sacked after that, Leicester are a good side, but questions should be asked now.

Give him till January, but even then it may be too late.

Questions should be asked about coaching/tactics, can we get better coaches in to help out.

Ronaldo, Pogba are going to be asking these questions, so I expect the board will too
Why stop at January? Give him two more years. Ole is bigger than United for some of the crowd so not surprised there.
 
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He won the fecking league in his last season :lol:
Yes probably the worst PL season there has been. We were miles behind teams internationally, often being totally irrelevant in the CL. Now the PL has improved, competition is too good now.
 
If not changing the manager, then what exactly do you propose is changed at this point?

You fear we may get spanked by Liverpool, but want the manager to remain for this fixture.

I am confused with your logic.
Signs of trouble in the Ole’s cult club.
 
I think the knee jerk is knowing that there is limited scope for something to change, our DM/CM situation and CB situation is not a quick fix, we have no players to change it unless we play somebody like Lindelof out of position as DM, so next game, and the game after we will see the same mistakes which cost against Leicester and that have been prevalent all season.
Oh please. United's squad isn't that bad as you make it look. What CB situation? Maguire, Varane, Lindelöf is absolutely quality. DM is a problem, yes, but nothing that could be fixed by a different setup.

The way I see it, United under Ole is now at a similar point like Bayern was under Kovac - quality squad, but so badly coached and lost faith that no one was able to still see that, not even Kovac himself. Sacked Kovac, promoted Flick, won 7 titles in the next 18 months.

Sack Ole, find your Flick and f*ing win something, it is about time and it is still possible this season, but not if United keep waiting for a miracle that won't happen.