Why Silvestre could go...

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1 His agent has been to Old Trafford several time in the past couple of weeks to agree a contract extension - this has not been agreed.
2 He only has one year left on his contract.
3 Fergie may well be worried about his contribution to the defence last season. He did okay but is still a liability under pressure.
Any thoughts?
 
agree 100%..we need quality through and through and he really isn't that.
 
You beat me to it! RedNews report:
from today's L'Equipe

"(...) Mikael Silvestre agent has made the trip to Manchester several times this last few weeks to negiocate a contract extension for his client. But no agreement has been found. He tried again to contact the club from Asia, unsuccessfully. Silvestre departure from Manchester is now becoming a serious option."

Note that Silvestre has just one year left on his contract.

I thought that this was most likely, but who to replace? Bridges? Lizarazu?
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>You beat me to it! RedNews report:
from today's L'Equipe

"(...) Mikael Silvestre agent has made the trip to Manchester several times this last few weeks to negiocate a contract extension for his client. But no agreement has been found. He tried again to contact the club from Asia, unsuccessfully. Silvestre departure from Manchester is now becoming a serious option."

Note that Silvestre has just one year left on his contract.

I thought that this was most likely, but who to replace? Bridges? Lizarazu?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I for one don't want to replace Silvester with Lizarazu... He is well past it... Bridges would be a good buy but I say keep Silvestre!!
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Silvestre should stay. We only need more effecient backup
 
We have to admit, as good as Micky can be at times, there are also times when he has really let us down. His positional play can be dreadful at times. I think United need much more stable full backs than Sil. Look at how Denis Irwin quietly went about his game at the top level. Micky doesn't even come close IMO. The only trouble is, if we let him go, will Micky become one of the best centre halves in Europe? Cut nose off etc. The guy wants to be a centre half and given the state of the French national team he now has an opportunity. Will SAF take that gamble? I've a feeling he won't!
 
Originally posted by Rory 7:
<strong>We have to admit, as good as Micky can be at times, there are also times when he has really let us down. His positional play can be dreadful at times. I think United need much more stable full backs than Sil. Look at how Denis Irwin quietly went about his game at the top level. Micky doesn't even come close IMO. The only trouble is, if we let him go, will Micky become one of the best centre halves in Europe? Cut nose off etc. The guy wants to be a centre half and given the state of the French national team he now has an opportunity. Will SAF take that gamble? I've a feeling he won't!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Give me 5 better left backs than Mickey
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1. Carlos (although he's in a way like Micky when it comes to defending)
2. Lizarazu (may be old)
3. Ugly guy from longballpool (may be better...)
4. ......hmm....errr I think that's about it...

IMO, we should keep silvestre, he set up some important goals from the left for ruud (depor away, bayern away) and towards the end of the season played well defensivly as well. blanc and he saved us from a disastre in leverkusen IMO.
If worst comes to worst, and he wants to play CB no matter what the consiquence, extend his contract for a year and give him a chance.
( Now that France will probably play a young first 11, he might have a better chance of playing LB for his country than CB)
 
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Give me 5 better left backs than Mickey</strong><hr></blockquote>


Ashley Cole, Wayne Bridge, Lizarazu, Riise, Carlos, Maldini - oops thats six so I'd better stop there as I've already named too many.
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Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>I reckon Bridge would be an excellent signing for you lot...</strong><hr></blockquote>

great minds and so :)
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Originally posted by Nistelrooy10:
<strong>No offense Neil, but cole is certanly not better than Silvestre</strong><hr></blockquote>
No offence mate, but Silvestre didn't get a single game in the WC while Cole is the england regular left back and has done very well there. He also didn't make anything like the number of defensive cockups this season as mickey did for us. He's also younger I believe.
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I'd keep Silvestre. He's talented and has been our most improved player this season and last season. And being as good offensive as he is I don't see why he should be playing CB.

Bridge would be good coming in instead but I'd much rather keep Micky.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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No offence mate, but Silvestre didn't get a single game in the WC while Cole is the england regular left back and has done very well there. He also didn't make anything like the number of defensive cockups this season as mickey did for us. He's also younger I believe.</strong><hr></blockquote>


That's true, but England doesn't have Lizarazu and a stupid manager
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Ashley Cole, Wayne Bridge, Lizarazu, Riise, Carlos, Maldini - oops thats six so I'd better stop there as I've already named too many.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You can add Argentina's Sorin to that list.
We really need a solid, reliable defence next season and though Silvestre looks good going forward, would you call him solid and reliable?
He's not a patch on Denis Irwin of a few years ago.
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Originally posted by the reporter:
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You can add Argentina's Sorin to that list.
We really need a solid, reliable defence next season and though Silvestre looks good going forward, would you call him solid and reliable?
He's not a patch on Denis Irwin of a few years ago.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He isn't Irwin, but who is? Silvestre is a more modern full back and in any event, like everything, there are priorities. Micky's improved a whole lot over the past 2 seasons and a new first choice left back is not really something we can't do without.
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Frankly last year I would have prefered Lizarazu, a player that I like very much, but after this World Cup, I've changed my mind. Lizarazu will be 33 in December while Silvestre is still young and can only improve.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Ashley Cole, Wayne Bridge, Lizarazu, Riise, Carlos, Maldini - oops thats six so I'd better stop there as I've already named too many.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Only Cole, Lizerazu, and Maldini are better defenders. Bridge and Riise aren't as good defending or attacking.
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It's the new generation. These days all LB are better attacking than they are defending it seems, it's just Micky is better at attacking than any other LB in the Premiership. He may not be perfect at the back, and his lapses in concentration are gonna give us heart-attacks, but he's still young, and has time on his side. People forget that.
 
Thx to Carlos,the left backs cant defend any more.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
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Only Cole, Lizerazu, and Maldini are better defenders. Bridge and Riise aren't as good defending or attacking.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Riise is better at both..

And so is Bridge come to think of it..
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Don't lie to yourself. In terms of going forward Silvestre has no equal in the prem. He had more assists this season than all our midfielders. And Man Utd 's attacking midfielders were all tops in the OPTA index results.(Yes Veron with his bad season was ranked no 2!) Just his defending is suspect because he defends like a centre back in a wide posistion.
The only fullback I would compare to him in the prem in this regard is maybe Riise. Coz he is better defensively. But for me only Carlos,Silvinho and Cocco are as effective as Silvestre going forward imo. I just hope Fergie can convince him that his future is best served as a fullback. Else we should sell him since France are bouned to give him his chance at centr back causing a problem for Fergie defensively. Bridge and Silvinho for me would be ideal replcements but fergie will decide not I :(

Silvestre should stay!!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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Riise is better at both..

And so is Bridge come to think of it..</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm going to agree with you for once, but don't you be thinking that I rate any of your other players. ;) And despite Riise being a better player, he's still feck ugly. :p
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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I'm going to agree with you for once, but don't you be thinking that I rate any of your other players. ;) And despite Riise being a better player, he's still feck ugly. :p </strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree

He's good but very ugly, but then he's Norwegian so I think its pretty much standard.. ;)

Mind you, Silvestre is no looker...
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Riise is better at both..

And so is Bridge come to think of it..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Bullshite. Silvestre is the best left-back in the premiership when it comes to bursting down the flanks and getting crosses in.

Only his defending is frustrating at times.
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Originally posted by lchk:
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Bullshite. Silvestre is the best left-back in the premiership when it comes to bursting down the flanks and getting crosses in.

Only his defending is frustrating at times.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Better than Riise, who is also comfortable at LM?

Better than Ashley Cole, who plays as a wing back most of the time from a flat back 4?

Better than Bridge, who's excellent pushing forward even for a "lesser" team..

I don't think so, tho I do agree that he is very good coming forward....just that there are others who are better
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Originally posted by Davo:
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I agree

He's good but very ugly, but then he's Norwegian so I think its pretty much standard.. ;)

Mind you, Silvestre is no looker...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, but he doesn't induce vomiting wherever he goes.

Riise's biggest asset is he scores goals - how many did he get last season?
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I hope Fergie can persuade Micky to stay. It may seems strange, but consider his old mistake record I still think that he is the most reliable defender in our current team. I just feel that he has the potential to become a truly excellent player. Actually he was already excellent in last season, and he can only become better. I think it will be very wasteful to lose such a player.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>I hope Fergie can persuade Micky to stay. It may seems strange, but consider his old mistake record I still think that he is the most reliable defender in our current team. I just feel that he has the potential to become a truly excellent player. Actually he was already excellent in last season, and he can only become better. I think it will be very wasteful to lose such a player.</strong><hr></blockquote>

7 I think...not including the one at Soton.. ;)

In fairness he played a fair few games at LM, but I reckon he's just as effective in attack when at LB..he overlaps well and finds more space as he hasn't automatically got opposing RB marking him

I reckon he'll play more at LB next season
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Ashley Cole, Wayne Bridge, Lizarazu, Riise, Carlos, Maldini - oops thats six so I'd better stop there as I've already named too many.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Lizarazu, Carlos and Maldini are better - the other ones are in the same bracket as Mickey
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Mikael Silvestre - to Tottenham Hotspur for 4mil, i dont have any more details yet
 
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Lizarazu, Carlos and Maldini are better - the other ones are in the same bracket as Mickey</strong><hr></blockquote>

You just need to consider how difficult it is to get a player better than Micky, then you will know why we should try to keep him if possible. Maldini is too old; Lizarazu and Carlos won't be sold by their current clubs; Risse, Cole and Bridge will only be as good as Micky AT BEST.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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You just need to consider how difficult it is to get a player better than Micky, then you will know why we should try to keep him if possible. Maldini is too old; Lizarazu and Carlos won't be sold by their current clubs; Risse, Cole and Bridge will only be as good as Micky AT BEST.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Exactly
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no point debating it anymore hes finished at OT, he will be gone within a month for 4mil
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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Riise is better at both..

And so is Bridge come to think of it..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Riise is about as good as Ian Harte when it comes to defending. He's got a hell of shot, which is only good asset imo. Bridge still has alot to prove.
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