Why isn't Jermain Defoe at a better club?

Defoe's stint at Sunderland has driven his stock up quite a bit and given a revisionist take on his career pre-MLS move. He left the PL for a reason... very few clubs even wanted to take the risk on him on a proposed return, and there won't be many posts at the time of his return touting him as the player he has been for Sunderland.

He's less than a 1-in-2 striker and was practically a perennial sub at the higher challenging club (Spurs) that he played for. Fergie wanted him for that sub role for a time, but for Defoe, I'm not sure that's a fun or favoured role to play when smaller sides are willing to start him and not scrutinise his overall game just as long as he delivers in front of goal.

Better teams demand more all-round quality from their front men, with goals being a pre-requisite. At higher levels, you're effectively playing with ten men with Defore, unless the opportunities to play in the opposing box are plentiful; when he doesn't score, he's not affected the game in any way or provided passes, runs or space for others in the side to benefit from. He is old school poacher levels of selfish, and to get away with that, he'd have to be on a RVN, Inzaghi etc level, which he never was.

Defoe has found a niche for himself as a saviour for lower level sides, and, as long as they're paying him a matching wage to what he'd get as a super-sub, why would he want to give up all that playing time and adulation for the cauldron of criticism he'd get at bigger clubs?

Up to the point of a 7th or 8th-place, Defoe should be seriously hot property, but after that, he's got cons that weigh his pros down and limit his playing time.
 
So West Ham have come in for Defoe now asking Sunderland to name their price. Surely they can't contemplate selling him, West Ham can offer more than staying in the league is worth.
 
He has 6 goals from open play in about 1800 minutes. He's hit 5 penalties which is good, but also helps to inflate his goal scoring prowess. I don't think he's been very good at all, but Sunderland would struggle for options if they were to sell.
 
He has 6 goals from open play in about 1800 minutes. He's hit 5 penalties which is good, but also helps to inflate his goal scoring prowess. I don't think he's been very good at all, but Sunderland would struggle for options if they were to sell.
They can always have Fellaini at the right price and play Anichebe up front.
 
It is not that he is that good, but Sunderland are pretty dire and don't have anything else. They should keep him.
 
How much money do you make just from staying in the Prem? Isn't it like £200m? If they do stay up, it will be because of Defoe, therefore I wouldn't sell him unless it was an absolutely ridiculous offer.
 
He has 6 goals from open play in about 1800 minutes. He's hit 5 penalties which is good, but also helps to inflate his goal scoring prowess. I don't think he's been very good at all, but Sunderland would struggle for options if they were to sell.
Exactly. Whilst he can occasionally score some important goals, he hurts their all-round play at the same time.
 
If Ibrahimovic is Man Utd's main striker at 35, why isn't Defoe at a better club at 34!?

The guy's just a goal machine, his scoring record is incredible. He's in great shape, great attitude, PL proven...

It seems almost surreal to me that he's not a super-sub at a big club.

Funny thought - maybe Woodward should 'thank' Moyes for his constant Utd whinges by taking Defoe off him in January!

I've had a beer but did you just compare Defoe to Ibra AND suggest we sign him?

Go home, you're drunk.
 
He's not a top level club. He's more of a mid table level of striker in the league but the best mid table striker alongisde with Lukaku. Top club strikers in PL isn't just about scoring goals, they need to know how to hold up the play and have a good first touch to make sure they don't lose possession easily and should be like Ibra, Kane, Aguero, Costa. Even Sanchez who isn't striker is probably considered to be more suitable as a top level club of striker than Defoe and Lukaku. If he moves to top club, he will be on the bench just like what happened at Tottenham.
 
Hes 34, but hes Sunderlands only hope of getting goals, even with penalties. Staying in the league is worth a lot of money. As crazy as it sounds, Sunderland cannot afford to sell him for less than around 50m esp in January, even at his age. They wont be able to bring in anybody to replace his goals.
 
If Sunderland agree to sell Defoe, then they truly believe they have no chance of survival in my opinion. They'd be planning for life in the Championship with a better budget. However, surely they can't get much more than say £12-15million for a 34-year old player? Even that might be pushing it.
 
Player of the Year so far, what he has achieved playing alongside those teammates is quite incredible!
 
If he is was willing to be an impact player, I would have taken him here in Jan.

A proper striker, good finisher, who would have eased the burden on Zlatan.
 
Always thought he might have ended up at United after Solskjaer but then Chicharito came along
 
Better than Chicharito in my opinion.
Despite Defoe's obvious finishing ability I think Chicharito edges it - His international record is superb and he did it regularly enough in the Champuons League

And that back header against Stoke.....Defoe got that in the locker?
 
He's scored 14 of Sunderland's 24 goals! That's outrageously well done by him. Always like him as a player but must say I'm surprised to see him performing at this level at 34 after a stint in the MLS.

As for the ongoing debate, he's definitely better than Chicharito in my opinion.
 
He's scored 14 of Sunderland's 24 goals! That's outrageously well done by him. Always like him as a player but must say I'm surprised to see him performing at this level at 34 after a stint in the MLS.

Never understood the move to the MLS. He seemed shocked when he wasn't picked for England because of his move there.
 
Despite Defoe's obvious finishing ability I think Chicharito edges it - His international record is superb and he did it regularly enough in the Champuons League

And that back header against Stoke.....Defoe got that in the locker?

Probably not to be honest.

I still think he would have been ideal here in Jan, a striker that knows the league and a composed finisher (other than the rawness of Martial and Rashford).

For instance on Wednesday, I would have felt more comfortable knowing we had a Defoe on the bench who could come on and nick a goal.

He's not the big name we all crave, but I believe he would have won us some crucial points and I think we missed a trick, especially taking into consideration our lack of goals.
 
I would not be surprised to see Mourinho make a move for Defoe in the summer, he's dropped enough hints about a goal poacher in recent weeks.
 
I would not be surprised to see Mourinho make a move for Defoe in the summer, he's dropped enough hints about a goal poacher in recent weeks.

Neither would I, and Ferguson did similar with Michael Owen.

Sunderland will go down, and Defoe wouldn't be a bad sub/rotation player. If it's 0-0 with 20 mins to go he's worth being subbed on.
 
Neither would I, and Ferguson did similar with Michael Owen.

Sunderland will go down, and Defoe wouldn't be a bad sub/rotation player. If it's 0-0 with 20 mins to go he's worth being subbed on.

But in this situation we would be better off trying to bring Hernandez back instead.
 
I was going to make a thread about considering Defoe - glad it was brought up here.

Would be a very shrewd purchase - he still has it and would be cheap as chips. I'd trust him to find a goal when we really need one more than Rashford or Martial and anyone thinking otherwise would be lying to themselves.
 
Can see one of the big boys bringing him in for a year. Would give them a nice bit of depth, whilst giving Defoe a season to get himself a couple of medals. Could easily see him as back up at all the top clubs barring City.
 
Yet, he never played for a title challenging side during his peak. Why?


Just a quick glance and his best scoring season in England produced 18 goals. Second best is 15 goals last season. The rest of them have been <15 goals. Not sure if a title challenging team could survive on that.
Was coming in to post about this. I've no idea what all the fuss is about. His goal scoring record is terrible. The only reason he's in the top 10 PL goal scoring charts is the length of time he's been playing. He was never top level and not even close to being good enough for a top 6 team. Never was.
 
Dear god no, I've had enough of aging strikers being signed.

Haha. I never meant we would sign him of course. I was just comparing Defoe with Rooney who is 4 years younger than him. For Chelsea, we need someone quick and clinical and able to bring others into the game.
 
Funny how he's an old head now. I remember wanting us to buy him, Carrick and Joe Cole when West Ham got relegated.
 
Defoe missed his chance when he was younger. He could've easily played for a top four side. Maybe not as the #1 striker but definitely as a rotation option. One of the best pure finishers in the last decade. He would do well at a club like Arsenal for example. But he is too old now and sadly it appears that he will be playing lower league football next season. Sad.