Why isn't Jermain Defoe at a better club?

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If Ibrahimovic is Man Utd's main striker at 35, why isn't Defoe at a better club at 34!?

The guy's just a goal machine, his scoring record is incredible. He's in great shape, great attitude, PL proven...

It seems almost surreal to me that he's not a super-sub at a big club.

Funny thought - maybe Woodward should 'thank' Moyes for his constant Utd whinges by taking Defoe off him in January!
 
I guess he wants to be a starter for a lower PL club where he's the main man rather than a bit part player at a top club. Good as he may look for Sunderland, he's never been prolific enough to lead the line for a club with title aspirations. He will consistently score 10-15 goals but as a main striker thats not enough.
 
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I really, really like Defoe. He's a solid player, and while he's hardly be going to remembered as a PL great, he's definitely just a tier or two away.

... But mentioning him in the same sentence as Ibra? Bit ridiculous.
 
Tommy said:
I really, really like Defoe. He's a solid player, and while he's hardly be going to remembered as a PL great, he's definitely just a tier or two away.

... But mentioning him in the same sentence as Ibra? Bit ridiculous.
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He is now the 8th highest PL scorer, even with Michael Owen. He's obviously not in the very top tier of players, but he has been scoring goals consistently for any team at any time.

Edit: But obviously he is incomparable with Ibra. He's nowhere near that level.
 
A good friend of mine is friends with someone Defoe played with while at Toronto, apparently he's a massive prick, might be that he's a dressing room nuisance because his goal threat is enough for 75% of the teams in the PL
 
11101 said:
I guess he wants to be a starter for a lower PL club where he's the main man rather than a bit part player at a top club. Good as he may look for Sunderland, he's never been prolific enough to lead the line for a club with title aspirations. He will consistently score 10-15 goals but as a main striker thats not enough.
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This sums it up perfectly.
 
He doesn't offer much in the overall play. He gets himself into the box at the right time. Les Ferdinand was a better goalscorer and he was never good enough for United.
 
Snow said:
He doesn't offer much in the overall play. He gets himself into the box at the right time. Les Ferdinand was a better goalscorer and he was never good enough for United.
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Wasn't he playing at the same time we had Cantona?
 
He'd do a job for one of the top sides off the bench.

Even at Spurs, when Kane was injured I bet they'd of rather had Defoe than Jansenn.
 
Don't know why no top club want him. Perhaps he wants to be the star player at a club, starting every game or he is too egoistic...just guessing.
It reminds me a bit of di Natale. One of the best strikers of Serie A ever but never played for a big club.
 
11101 said:
I guess he wants to be a starter for a lower PL club where he's the main man rather than a bit part player at a top club. Good as he may look for Sunderland, he's never been prolific enough to lead the line for a club with title aspirations. He will consistently score 10-15 goals but as a main striker thats not enough.
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Pretty much. Plus, his style of poaching and being alive in the opposition box in chances of mistakes and such fits a lower table side who'll absorb pressure and try to cut on the few breaks they get.
 
ferguson2 said:
It reminds me a bit of di Natale. One of the best strikers of Serie A ever but never played for a big club.
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As far as I know Di Natale never wanted to leave.
 
ferguson2 said:
Don't know why no top club want him. Perhaps he wants to be the star player at a club, starting every game or he is too egoistic...just guessing.
It reminds me a bit of di Natale. One of the best strikers of Serie A ever but never played for a big club.
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He spent the majority of his career warming the bench at spurs did he not? In fact he loved it so much he went back for a second spell. Must be the heated seats they have.
 
Always seems to score in bursts, he's become more consistent since he's returned to England but when he was at Spurs, he would score 5 in a game then not score for 7 games which skewed his statistics.

Also his overall play isn't quite good enough for a top club, a bit like Hernandez really. Both good enough to be in the squad and come off the bench but never to be the main striker.
 
Tommy said:
I really, really like Defoe. He's a solid player, and while he's hardly be going to remembered as a PL great, he's definitely just a tier or two away.

... But mentioning him in the same sentence as Ibra? Bit ridiculous.
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Cantona'sCollar said:
He is now the 8th highest PL scorer, even with Michael Owen. He's obviously not in the very top tier of players, but he has been scoring goals consistently for any team at any time.

But obviously he is incomparable with Ibra. He's nowhere near that level.
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Classic example of past reputations guiding people's opinions - one of the mistakes United keep making post Ferguson.

Utd vs Arse was a very typical 'big game', and if we'd had Defoe up front for 90 mins, I think we'd have won the game.

Likewise against Liverpool, Stoke and Burnley. This would leave us 3 points off top...

If Defoe ends the season with more goals than Ibrahimovic, while at fecking Sunderland, then regardless of 'name' or 'brand-worth' or past achievements, he's a better PL striker right now.
 
DavidG said:
A good friend of mine is friends with someone Defoe played with while at Toronto, apparently he's a massive prick, might be that he's a dressing room nuisance because his goal threat is enough for 75% of the teams in the PL
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Ah the old Toronto stories again, they are always a bit odd as JD was always regarded as a top lad at Spurs.

I bumped into him a couple of times in a coffee shop in Chigwell and he was happy for a quick chat, seemed a very down to earth guy.

He's still way to good for Sunderland and 150+ PL goals for a player who has spent much of his career on the bench is a great a increment.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Classic example of past reputations guiding people's opinions - one of the mistakes United keep making post Ferguson.

Utd vs Arse was a very typical 'big game', and if we'd had Defoe up front for 90 mins, I think we'd have won the game.

Likewise against Liverpool, Stoke and Burnley. This would leave us 3 points off top...

If Defoe ends the season with more goals than Ibrahimovic, while at fecking Sunderland, then regardless of 'name' or 'brand-worth' or past achievements, he's a better PL striker right now.
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So what was missing in our big games was Defoe? give over
 
DavidG said:
A good friend of mine is friends with someone Defoe played with while at Toronto, apparently he's a massive prick, might be that he's a dressing room nuisance because his goal threat is enough for 75% of the teams in the PL
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He's not a prick, was going out with a Canadian girl I know for a while, seemed alright. Think he wanted a WAG though and she wasn't thick enough to play along. :lol:
 
DWelbz19 said:
As far as I know Di Natale never wanted to leave.
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I was refeering more to his excellent goal ratio over many years for a smaller club.
Di Natale never wanted to leave that's true...except when Liverpool bought Dossena from Udinese there were also talks ongoing that di Natale will go to Liverpool instead they went for Torres.
 
Tommy said:
I really, really like Defoe. He's a solid player, and while he's hardly be going to remembered as a PL great, he's definitely just a tier or two away.

... But mentioning him in the same sentence as Ibra? Bit ridiculous.
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Yeah, how dare he gets compared to someone who was scoring hattricks against the likes of Troyes and Nice just a season ago.
 
Has lost a yard or 2 from his peak days and it isn't enough to just be a poacher nowadays at the very top as Chicharito discovered, he's at the level he should be at right now.
 
SirScholes said:
So what was missing in our big games was Defoe? give over
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Obviously they think he's better than Rashford Ibra, on the basis he's scored more premier league goals. I'd say he's probably a better option off the bench over Rooney. I just don't see him having enough in his game to play lone striker at a decent club. Good premier league player none the less.
 
Because as good as he is for Sunderland, he is not going to be good enough if he signs for any top club. Loic Remy and demba ba were better scorers than him and they barely made it at a top club
 
I would really take him at Chelsea as a backup for Costa as a 3rd striker after Bats. Bats still has a long way to be a starting striker for a Conte title fighting team. Defoe would do a real good job on from the bench just like Remy did 2 seasons ago when we won the title and Defoe is not even injury prone.
 
rollingstoned1 said:
he's at the level he should be at right now.
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coolredwine said:
tbh, Defoe's goal scoring record is nothing to write home about. That's why he hasn't been at a better club.
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Sorry but this is very harsh...

In 2016 Defoe has scored more PL goals than any other English player, and only Sergio fecking Aguero has scored more. This is while playing for Sunderland.

The only players who've scored more than him in PL history are -

Shearer
Rooney
Cole
Lampard
Henry
Fowler

Also, most goals scored by any sub in PL history? Jermain Defoe.
 
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Rhyme Animal said:
Classic example of past reputations guiding people's opinions - one of the mistakes United keep making post Ferguson.

Utd vs Arse was a very typical 'big game', and if we'd had Defoe up front for 90 mins, I think we'd have won the game.

Likewise against Liverpool, Stoke and Burnley. This would leave us 3 points off top...

If Defoe ends the season with more goals than Ibrahimovic, while at fecking Sunderland, then regardless of 'name' or 'brand-worth' or past achievements, he's a better PL striker right now.
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Yeah Zlatan is what cost us the Arsenal game. He was completely invisible.

People just pointed out they are different class. It is true.
 
coolredwine said:
Yeah, how dare he gets compared to someone who was scoring hattricks against the likes of Troyes and Nice just a season ago.
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Yeah that dreadful level of teams he faced while winning trophies in France, Italy and Spain is nothing compared to the glory of Premier League.

Zlatan is one of the best forwards of the last decad. Easily top 10 in European football.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Sorry but this is very harsh...

In 2016 Defoe has scored more PL goals than any other English player, and only Sergio fecking Aguero has scored more. This is while playing for Sunderland.

The only players who've scored more than him in PL history are -

Shearer
Rooney
Cole
Lampard
Henry
Fowler

Also, most sub goals scored by any sub in PL history? Jermain Defoe.
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Yes it ridiculous to say his goal record isn't that great. I think he has been one of the most underrated strikers in the league tbh. He is brilliant and not just a poacher either. Spurs should have done more with him
 
coolredwine said:
tbh, Defoe's goal scoring record is nothing to write home about. That's why he hasn't been at a better club.
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Spoken like a person who has no idea what Defoe's goal scoring record is.

He has one of the very best goal scoring records in the history of the Premiership.
 
Tommy said:
I really, really like Defoe. He's a solid player, and while he's hardly be going to remembered as a PL great, he's definitely just a tier or two away.

... But mentioning him in the same sentence as Ibra? Bit ridiculous.
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Not really. Defoe has 1 more goal than Ibra this season. Considering he's managed that whilst playing in a god awful team I think you saying they shouldn't be in the same sentence is a bit ridiculous.
 
DavidG said:
A good friend of mine is friends with someone Defoe played with while at Toronto, apparently he's a massive prick, might be that he's a dressing room nuisance because his goal threat is enough for 75% of the teams in the PL
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Don't fancy being his PA then?

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Rhyme Animal said:
Sorry but this is very harsh...

In 2016 Defoe has scored more PL goals than any other English player, and only Sergio fecking Aguero has scored more. This is while playing for Sunderland.

The only players who've scored more than him in PL history are -

Shearer
Rooney
Cole
Lampard
Henry
Fowler

Also, most sub goals scored by any sub in PL history? Jermain Defoe.
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Yet, he never played for a title challenging side during his peak. Why?

balaks said:
Spoken like a person who has no idea what Defoe's goal scoring record is.

He has one of the very best goal scoring records in the history of the Premiership.
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Just a quick glance and his best scoring season in England produced 18 goals. Second best is 15 goals last season. The rest of them have been <15 goals. Not sure if a title challenging team could survive on that.
 
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