Why is our passing so garbage?

It’s nerves, you under hit a pass or put it wide when your hips aren’t set and you’re nervous.

look at what the noise of anfield did to us, same at Sevilla. We need some natural born winners in this side, mentality like Martinez and Casemiro although he’s been stifled.
I imagine it’s a big summer window, 4 players incoming.
 
TheRedHearted said:
It’s nerves, you under hit a pass or put it wide when your hips aren’t set and you’re nervous.

look at what the noise of anfield did to us, same at Sevilla. We need some natural born winners in this side, mentality like Martinez and Casemiro although he’s been stifled.
I imagine it’s a big summer window, 4 players incoming.
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Yeah we need more that are prepared to stick their chests out in hostile atmospheres
 
TheRedHearted said:
It’s nerves, you under hit a pass or put it wide when your hips aren’t set and you’re nervous.

look at what the noise of anfield did to us, same at Sevilla. We need some natural born winners in this side, mentality like Martinez and Casemiro although he’s been stifled.
I imagine it’s a big summer window, 4 players incoming.
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Agree but what helps with nerves is that solid base of technique. That's what allows you to rise to it.

We've all been there in nervous situations. When you also know deep down you haven't got the ability for that situation its ten times worse.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah we need more that are prepared to stick their chests out in hostile atmospheres
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Yeah we need slightly more aggression on the ball and direct play. Players need to move together on that.
Marwood said:
Agree but what helps with nerves is that solid base of technique. That's what allows you to rise to it.

We've all been there in nervous situations. When you also know deep down you haven't got the ability for that situation its ten times worse.
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Experience helps yet, also preparation is huge to eliminate nerves. That’s the managers job, make them feel secure in themselves and the system that they can do it.
 
Some players don't make runs into spaces to drag out people who are marking them thus providing more options to their team mates. Martial and Sancho are guilty of this. They mostly want ball to feet.
 
Harry190 said:
Some players don't make runs into spaces to drag out people who are marking them thus providing more options to their team mates. Martial and Sancho are guilty of this. They mostly want ball to feet.
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Its so difficult to watch the noisy neighbours and think why don't we do that..
We really need to strengthen our squad (not weaken)
I'd buy Vardy, and Ivan Toney - and 2 fully fit centre backs who can sprint to grow into the position.
 
TheRedHearted said:
It’s nerves, you under hit a pass or put it wide when your hips aren’t set and you’re nervous.

look at what the noise of anfield did to us, same at Sevilla. We need some natural born winners in this side, mentality like Martinez and Casemiro although he’s been stifled.
I imagine it’s a big summer window, 4 players incoming.
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Vardy, Ivan toney, and 2 centre backs who can sprint (like Rio and vidic used to)
 
Our passing inability has been one of our biggest weaknesses for quite some time now. Highly frustrating to watch.
 
Harry190 said:
Some players don't make runs into spaces to drag out people who are marking them thus providing more options to their team mates. Martial and Sancho are guilty of this. They mostly want ball to feet.
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Absolutely spot on and you can see its effect when some good balls are whipped in inside, too often our players are far from it.
If everyone plays the same way, it's problematic
 
All teams except united have this ability to go score 4,5,6,7 goals. This is also because we do not control games and have a measly 30% possession against the big teams and 50-60% percent of possession against others where we simply waste time.


Gets frustrating when we play well and not make it count. We could absolutely do it but this season has been such a disappointment goals scoring wise.



No games have been comfortable where we about 4-5 and sat around passing the ball. Instead we do that after we score 1 goal and let the opposition get back into the game.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Our players (collectively) just aren’t good passers. Nobody in that team is a high volume or a high accuracy passer. Have an FBRef search of our 5 central midfielders (Bruno; Eriksen; Casemiro; Fred; McTominay) and I doubt any one of them is higher than the 50th percentile or so in the PL this season for accurate passes. It’s a huge issue.

We are too engrossed in playing transition based football, and that’s mostly because our players only really excel in that aspect of the game.
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Yes, that's it. For all the qualities of players like Fernandes, Casemiro and Rashford, the simple pass too often looks a struggle. In one game, when Casemiro still received a lot of praise, his pass accuracy first half was 58% (I remember I checked on whoscored), which is kind of unheard of from a CM.
 
The most Spur-sy United team ever. Only after the pressure is off do they perform just good enough to garner moral consolations to save their place. Against lower table teams this lot should be good enough to at least hold possession under pressure. ETH needs to be ruthless this summer.
 
We questioned what our coaches under Ole were doing and now we definitely need to do the same with the current staff.

The passing today was embarrassing, in all phases of play but midfield especially.

Brighton players who casual fans can barely name anyone in their defence were passing out from the back with intense pressure.

It's not good enough at all. Very poor passing team and it continuously gets exposed against the better teams.
 
None of our midfielders are capable of retaining the ball under pressure. Heck, even with yards of space, the trio tonight are capable of coughing up possession attempting basic, square passes. Midfield needs a huge reset.
 
El Jefe said:
We questioned what our coaches under Ole were doing and now we definitely need to do the same with the current staff.

The passing today was embarrassing, in all phases of play but midfield especially.

Brighton players who casual fans can barely name anyone in their defence were passing out from the back with intense pressure.

It's not good enough at all. Very poor passing team and it continuously gets exposed against the better teams.
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Ole is part of the problem for not signing players with ball retention attributes. Only direct merchants, and we can't even replace them because some of them make up the more talented parts of the squad. We now have to play to their strengths or risk every other result. ETH is improving us but it's glaring some of them have a ceiling on how much can actually be improved.
 
Because we don’t have a ball playing 8 bar Eriksen. Case is a DM and Bruno a 10 but we need a top CM on the ball not Fred’s and Mctominays.

Also our strength in depth is poor and the drop over from our best 11 is huge
 
Lets not overestimate one game. Pretty sure that ETH focussed on builtup and organisation first, progression and chance creation hopefully will go up a level during the summer. We did relatively well in two games against a tough team to play against and mostly kept them in check. We are missing a few players as well. Understand the notion but probably not the right time to analyse details just now.
 
Greck said:
Ole is part of the problem for not signing players with ball retention attributes. Only direct merchants, and we can't even replace them because some of them make up the more talented parts of the squad
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This is spot on for me. Bruno is our most creative footballer, but only truly excels in the transition. Rashford is our most potent attacking force, but again, tends to be more effective when the game is stretched. Neither are good at retaining the ball in tight spaces and a slower build up, where we have more control of the game, likely won't suit them. That, coupled with how poor our deeper midfielders are with the ball, make it hard to control games.
 
Red Devil 26 said:
None of our midfielders are capable of retaining the ball under pressure. Heck, even with yards of space, the trio tonight are capable of coughing up possession attempting basic, square passes. Midfield needs a huge reset.
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Another concern is the love for a Hollywood pass even when we had been losing possession a bunch of times.
 
People will talk about the Shaw mistake, the subs, "mentality".

All that is irrelevant to me when the whole team cannot retain possession of a football for more than 2 seconds. The touch, passing, decision making, ball retention is absolutely horrendous all over the pitch. We're hanging on for dear life at the end of every game because we're too shit to keep the ball.
 
One of the reasons is that we play football at 2x speed for some reason. The best teams are able to slow the game down and control the ball but we are just constantly trying ridiculous passes with low probability to succeed
 
2008 was the last season where we played like a truly elite football team, including our passing ability. It's been downhill ever since
 
Pisses me right off the majority of teams we come up against are knocking it around a lot slicker than we are. Yes we need to make signings but half the time it’s sides with lesser players that we’re facing and they look like peak Barcelona in comparison to us. We struggle to do the basics right.
 
Sometimes the team get into this headspace where they just see themselves as as a counter attacking team and forget to take a breath and play. They start rushing passes trying to catch teams out with the first pass at every opportunity, and end up turning over possession with alarming regularity.

We can't play out from the back because DDG and both full backs aren't those kinds of players, and when we play long, our forwards don't seem to be bursting a gut to pick up second balls
 
dcrompton said:
I think our recruitment should look at buying better footballers
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Agreed, man to man, Brighton are miles better than us on the ball - that's a fact, a sobering one, but a fact all the same
 
Glorio said:
Agreed, man to man, Brighton are miles better than us on the ball - that's a fact, a sobering one, but a fact all the same
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Not according to @Manncunian. Today was pretty clear to see for anyone with a working set of eyeballs which team is better technically. Our best player on the ball is our left back/converted centre back.
 
Three key problems in each phase of the game

1. DDG is awful with his feet, AWB is a weakness as is Casemiro. Just look at how important Rodri is for City in playing out from the back. Casemiro is careless in possesion. That's three players who could potentially ruin the first phase.

2. You will struggle to find a set of midfielders at top clubs that are less press resistant than our bunch. You can force all of them into mistakes when pressed. Enciso and Mac Allister looked in a different world to our players with their comfort on the ball.

3. The attack is built to get the best out of Bruno and Rashford, players who are best in counters and with open space.
 
Cutch said:
Hard to fathom how Jason Steele, Lewis Dunk and Adam Webster can be so much calmer and accomplished at playing out from the back than our backline
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The problem wasn't with our centre-backs. It's De Gea, Casemiro, Fred and the two fullbacks.
 
El Jefe said:
Three key problems in each phase of the game

1. DDG is awful with his feet, AWB is a weakness as is Casemiro. Just look at how important Rodri is for City in playing out from the back. Casemiro is careless in possesion. That's three players who could potentially ruin the first phase.

2. You will struggle to find a set of midfielders at top clubs that are less press resistant than our bunch. You can force all of them into mistakes when pressed. Enciso and Mac Allister looked in a different world to our players with their comfort on the ball.

3. The attack is built to get the best out of Bruno and Rashford, players who are best in counters and with open space.
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Basically this for me, our best players who can actually retain the ball in our side are Shaw/Martial (when he can be bothered).
 
Baneofthegame said:
Basically this for me, our best players who can actually retain the ball in our side are Shaw/Martial (when he can be bothered).
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So basically we have one player able to retain possession. I can see how that'd be a problem in a team sport
 
AndySmith1990 said:
So basically we have one player able to retain possession. I can see how that'd be a problem in a team sport
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Well it's just my opinion, but that combined with our basically non existent off the ball movement unless it's a counter just means we are so easy to play against when we run out of steam which is often in the second half.

Even Dunk played a simple pass then immediately moved to receive the one two to break the press, we just play poor passes either behind players or slow and obvious then go back to Dave who either shits himself and boots it or we are hoping he doesn't pass it to an opponent.

Which basically keeps us penned in and intensifies our problems.
 
Think its genuinely a club issue. I remember, on a overlap episode, that Scholes and Neville regarded United as a non possession type team and that particular style wasn't the style they were brought up on, compared to a club like Arsenal/Barca. Think it still present.
 
Technically inept FC has been going for years now. The club gets dominated by almost every team in the league
 
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