Unless Fifa have given some kind of title or award as the greatest player of all time then surely it's still just opinion, albeit an opinion widely held by most people, but it's not the sort of thing that could ever be said to be official?
Why is everyone saying Messi is "officially" the greatest player of all time?
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Who even gives a feck anymore? The acronym is used so frequently now it's becoming diluted and will eventually become meaningless, like so many other words people overuse to the point everyone's sick of hearing them.
The squabble over which of your favourite players is the greatest is also beyond boring. Use your eyes and make up your own mind, and quit being so insecure about your own opinion that you need to seek validation from strangers
Rant over
The squabble over which of your favourite players is the greatest is also beyond boring. Use your eyes and make up your own mind, and quit being so insecure about your own opinion that you need to seek validation from strangers
Rant over
He won everything that was on the plate for him unlike anyone else.
Who is everyone?
I mean not everyone is saying it.
That kind of thing is always subjective and there wont ever be that kind of award.
Well, it's official.
I bet you get angry at adverts a lot
“Nation’s favourite chips? I don’t recall a vote, let’s see the science, grrr”
“Nation’s favourite chips? I don’t recall a vote, let’s see the science, grrr”
You are already to late to create such thread, its official, its over.
I think subjectively speaking he is among top 2 best player, and objectively speaking also among top 2 greatest player. So he probably deserve to be mentioned as greatest player of all time.
Best player (talent+peak) - subjective
1. Maradona
2. Messi
3. Pele/Best/Cruyff/R9 etc
Greatest player (career+achievements) - objective
1. Pele
2. Messi
3. Ronaldo
Among the best in dribbling, goalscoring, playmaking, consistency, longevity
Among the greatest in winning most trophies, most Ballon D’ors, won everything for club and country
So if you combine both subjective+objective list, he probably tops it.
Best player (talent+peak) - subjective
1. Maradona
2. Messi
3. Pele/Best/Cruyff/R9 etc
Greatest player (career+achievements) - objective
1. Pele
2. Messi
3. Ronaldo
Among the best in dribbling, goalscoring, playmaking, consistency, longevity
Among the greatest in winning most trophies, most Ballon D’ors, won everything for club and country
So if you combine both subjective+objective list, he probably tops it.
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I agree. The debate also becomes preoccupied with slagging off other great players to win the argument. You find yourself reading about how Ronaldo ‘failed’ because of X, Y, Z. It’s insane really.
The whole thing is a bit mental, there's no way you can say someone is "officially" the greatest at anything.
Like so many other things in the social media age, it seems to boil down to: Here is why I am right and everyone else with a different opinion is wrong.
Like so many other things in the social media age, it seems to boil down to: Here is why I am right and everyone else with a different opinion is wrong.
it’s just a figure of speech
obviously it’s a subjective thing
obviously it’s a subjective thing
It basically comes down to someone insisting on placing their assertion over anyone else's.
The assertion that not winning a WC should keep him out of consideration is now gone.
GOAT or not. There is no longer a valid argument that denies such a claim, other than personal preference.
GOAT or not. There is no longer a valid argument that denies such a claim, other than personal preference.
Must be sunny out today.
Because he appears in an advertisement for Pepsi and Doritos.
I've noticed there seems to be a trend developing with lots of football fans supporting individual players rather than teams - which is odd to say the least.
I remember reading an article interviewing fans who were going to Qatar because Portugal were playing and they support Ronaldo and whoever he plays for.
I guess that's just the cult of celebrity and the power of social media.
I remember reading an article interviewing fans who were going to Qatar because Portugal were playing and they support Ronaldo and whoever he plays for.
I guess that's just the cult of celebrity and the power of social media.
I see "Why is everyone" threads are a new trend. 
Because I said so
This, the haters always used this to deny him his greatness but he put an end to that.
That world cup win now made him immortal.
Of course haters will always move the goalposts to suit their agenda but it's pretty undeniable now.
I think it was the final.moments of Messi lifting the wc trophy wearing a Sith robe in contrast to Ronaldo crying walking down the tunnel.
Because it’s a fact. I read it in a book.
It's a joke ffs. There's never any official greatest. He's among the greatest 2-3 and the very best in the eyes of many. Best of the last 30 years either way
Because he is.
Because he is. Simple.
Wikipedia: Widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all time
The only sport where their isn't a dispute at to who the greatest is in hockey. And that's Wayne Gretzky. His nickname is even "The great one."
"The Great One is the best scorer ever, and it's not close.
For a simple explanation of Wayne Gretzky's dominance, consider this: He totaled 1,963 assists over his 21 years. No player in history has collected more goals and assists combined than he has assists, and you can add 894 more goals to that account.
Mario Lemieux is the only other player to register 160 points in a season, hitting the mark four times. Gretzky did it nine times, maxing out at 215 and breaking 200 four times.
Gretzky, who hoisted the Stanley Cup four times, captured 18 All-Star nods, 10 Art Ross Trophies and nine Hart Trophies.
He holds numerous career records—most notably points, goals and assists—in both the regular season and playoffs.
He also holds or shares 61 records listed in the League's Official Guide and Record Book: 40 for the regular season, 15 for the Stanley Cup playoff and six for the All-Star Game.
*The Art Ross Trophy is awarded to the National Hockey League player who leads the league in points at the end of the regular season.
*The Hart Trophy, is an annual award for the most valuable player in the National Hockey League."
"The Great One is the best scorer ever, and it's not close.
For a simple explanation of Wayne Gretzky's dominance, consider this: He totaled 1,963 assists over his 21 years. No player in history has collected more goals and assists combined than he has assists, and you can add 894 more goals to that account.
Mario Lemieux is the only other player to register 160 points in a season, hitting the mark four times. Gretzky did it nine times, maxing out at 215 and breaking 200 four times.
Gretzky, who hoisted the Stanley Cup four times, captured 18 All-Star nods, 10 Art Ross Trophies and nine Hart Trophies.
He holds numerous career records—most notably points, goals and assists—in both the regular season and playoffs.
He also holds or shares 61 records listed in the League's Official Guide and Record Book: 40 for the regular season, 15 for the Stanley Cup playoff and six for the All-Star Game.
*The Art Ross Trophy is awarded to the National Hockey League player who leads the league in points at the end of the regular season.
*The Hart Trophy, is an annual award for the most valuable player in the National Hockey League."
Legit official world's greatest GOAT.
Of all times.
Of all times.
When has it not come down to opinion?
The Best is George BEST
There is no one better.
I thought it was to do with Fifa actually tweeting out he was the GOAT.
Its stupid fanboys thats all. Ignore.
Of his time definitely. As for all time , unless we got time machine to transport peak messi to play in the 30s 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s and 90s. We wont know.
Messi is arguably the official GOAT.
Fact.
Fact.
Are any of his opponents powerhouse or weak shit for him to stat padding ?
Obviously Ronaldo fanboy.
Well obviously. Why do you need people to tell you that?