Right, contact isn't a foul in football, but that won't be the divers' problem it'll be the ref's one. They'll say there was contact and they fall due to it, the ref is the one who awarded it as a pen, so it'll end up being ref's problem while the divers will escape safely. You can't prove their intention of diving of course.
Why can't we start a movement to get rid of diving?
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Right, contact isn't a foul in football, but that won't be the divers' problem it'll be the ref's one. They'll say there was contact and they fall due to it, the ref is the one who awarded it as a pen, so it'll end up being ref's problem while the divers will escape safely. You can't prove their intention of diving of course.
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No need to prove intention but you can assess whether there is a dive. Contact is not the point. The referee should assess the situation live and another referee should assess the situation retrospectively over the next few seconds using VAR. If there is a disagreement between them then the VAR should have the authority to halt play and bring it to the refs attention for a unanimous decision based on VAR.Right, contact isn't a foul in football, but that won't be the divers' problem it'll be the ref's one. They'll say there was contact and they fall due to it, the ref is the one who awarded it as a pen, so it'll end up being ref's problem while the divers will escape safely. You can't prove their intention of diving of course.
No need to prove intention but you can assess whether there is a dive. Contact is not the point. The referee should assess the situation live and another referee should assess the situation retrospectively over the next few seconds using VAR. If there is a disagreement between them then the VAR should have the authority to halt play and bring it to the refs attention for a unanimous decision based on VAR.
I agree but that's not the point I'm talking about. My point is you can't simply ban divers or put a certain punishment that will prevent them from diving. Most of them are tricky and intelligent enough to dive at a point of contact that you can't prove anything on them to punish them. It's down to refs and VAR to not award them the pens they're searching for, but you won't be able to remove the act of diving from football.
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Easy. Make referees show the yellow for a dubious dive, and a direct red for a blatant dive. Let VAR help the referee.
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If you punish with yellow cards for refs not awarding pens for dives and then punishing the perpetrators then you will significantly reduce the number of dives in a game imhoI agree but that's not the point I'm talking about. My point is you can't simply ban divers or put a certain punishment that will prevent them from diving. Most of them are tricky and intelligent enough to dive at a point of contact that you can't prove anything on them to punish them. It's down to refs and VAR to not award them the pens they're searching for, but you won't be able to remove the act of diving from football.
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Referees are absolutely horrible at punishing dives when they are clear and obvious. That is why dives are so prevalent in the game, there is virtually no cost of diving for players.
Gary Cahill seems like an expert at fishing out divers, he pretends to put a leg out and then moves it back and it works several times a season. Yet players almost never get a card when he catches them falling over without any contact.
Gary Cahill seems like an expert at fishing out divers, he pretends to put a leg out and then moves it back and it works several times a season. Yet players almost never get a card when he catches them falling over without any contact.
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