Who's attainable if we were to spend big and improve our squad?

First we have to get rid of Donkeys on high wages partly because of woodward getting played by agents and Jose signing a 75m pounds rugby player. Lukaku, Sanchez, Rojo, Jones, Valencia have been stealing a living. Matic will be done after this season so we need a replacement for him. We wont win anything with Lukaku up top. We need smart signings and top calibre long term signings.
Alderweireld: 25m release clause
Alex Telles (still dont think Shaw is good enough attacking wise and to be relied on throughout a season) 30m.
Rodri: 40-50m
Pulisic: 60m
And if we ship of the Oaf I would love to see Icardi.
 
devilish said:
I'd go for

DC: Toby - At 25m he's quite a catch. I'd say get him or Andersen from Sampdoria + Tuanzebe out from loan and we can get rid of Rojo and Jones
DR: Milenkovic- A tall defender whose perfectly comfortable as RB and as CB. His positioning needs work but he'll be perfect to cover up the RB flank.
DL: Tierney - He's a combative and quite athletic LB who'll provide us with quality/competition for Shaw.

DM: Tousart- a young DM who'll inject much needed energy to our CM.

RW: Suso - a top quality winger whose full of energy, vision and creativity. He's got a minimum fee clause set at 35m

STK: Piatek- a goal machine.

Team

GK: DDG, Romero, Henderson

RB: Milenkovic, Dalot, TFM
LB: Tierney, Shaw
CB: Smalling, Toby/Andersen, Bailly, Lindelof, Tuanzebe

DM: Tousart, Matic
B2B: Herrera, Fred
AMC: Pogba, Periera

LW: Martial, Rashford, Sanchez
RW: Suso, Lingard

STK: Piatek, Lukaku.

The rest can be sold really.
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Is this the Suso who was at Liverpool?
 
sam147 said:
First we have to get rid of Donkeys on high wages partly because of woodward getting played by agents and Jose signing a 75m pounds rugby player. Lukaku, Sanchez, Rojo, Jones, Valencia have been stealing a living. Matic will be done after this season so we need a replacement for him. We wont win anything with Lukaku up top. We need smart signings and top calibre long term signings.
Alderweireld: 25m release clause
Alex Telles (still dont think Shaw is good enough attacking wise and to be relied on throughout a season) 30m.
Rodri: 40-50m
Pulisic: 60m
And if we ship of the Oaf I would love to see Icardi.
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Pulisic? Why would you pay 60m for him?
 
CB De Ligt, Toby.
CM- De Jong- Eriksen, would transform our team to have ball playing CBs and a player like Eriksen to partner Pogba in a 4-3-3. Would be happy with Fred playing at the press resistent CM since I think we won't buy more than 1 CM this summer, I like Ndombele too.

I would play Martial as our 9 and bench Lukaku. You can't justify his lack of technical ability with rationale on how his physical abilities give him an advantage in hold up play when his hold up play is as bad as I've seen from a United striker.

I'm not sure I'd want Dembele (from Barca) here. Seems like he has a real attitude problem and we have enough losers in the dressing room as is.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
He cost PSG 40m in 2012. He couldn't cut it at top level and with FFP regulations, PSG had to sell at a cut-price(they also offloaded Pastore, Aurier, Krychowiak etc). Citing odd deals which favor your argument don't really show that all players can be signed for similar prices. Not every club is under pressure from FFP rules.
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Odd deals or not, that’s the point though isn’t it. The fact that there are good deals to be had. Torreira at 26M looks to be good business as well. Serri at around 20M mark ain’t bad either
 
What a stupid thing for him to say given he could realistically wind up on a Mourinho side himself one day. May not be his choice.
 
AlexUTD said:
Good post.

I agree on most except i would sell Lukaku and use Martial and Sanchez as strikers instead.
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I wish that too. However, we both know that the likes of Sanchez, Lukaku and Matic will not leave United. No one will be ready to match the ridiculous salary we're giving them
 
Not many mentioned Ramsey as an attainable midfield target.

For free, he'd make a massive difference. He's full of energy and creativity. Underrated player.

Would be a great addition
 
Agreed to Ramsey - he's done us over once already though.

Some of the signings in here are hilarious, we are never going to sign a world class player for each position.

We are also going to struggle with the style of player we need with Mourinho as boss.

Realistically we need to spend whatever is needed on the following positions.

A cb
A rw.

I would put a right back on to that last too however Dalot could have the potential.

I agree that we need balance, however Mourinho also needs to stop acting like a child. Our first team is good enough to be challenging for the top 2/3.

De Gea, Shaw, Pogba, Fred, Herrera, (even Matic), Sanchez, Mata, Lingard, Martial, Rashford, Lukaku..... They are all good enough.

But we do not play to our strengths, Matic aside, our strengths should be our movement and strength. None of which are characteristics of a Mourinho side.
 
Oh it will be a major rebuilding process for whoever comes in next after Mourinho . It will all depend on if we reach top 4 or not because then only we can sign the best options . Honestly looking at our current situation I believe we will end up in Europa league next season and hence will make signings according to that . I believe we will make 4 signings between the incoming winter and summer transfer windows .

My personal choices are :

Incoming signings :

1. Fekir for Right wing cum right forward positon .
2. Pavard for Centre back position .
3. Milenkovic for Right back position .
4. Pelligrini for Center midfield position .
5. Tuanzebe back from loan from Villa .

Outgoing:

1.Darmian
2.Rojo
3.Jones
4. Mata
5. Perreira
6. Mc Tominay (Loan)

Possible 2019 starting 11

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Milenkovic----Smalling--------Pavard--------Shaw
-------------------------------Pelligrini--------------------------
----------------Fred---------------------------Pogba-----------
Fekir----------------------Sanchez-----------------Martial
 
TheGame said:
Not seen much of him, has he developed into a good player? Seemed a bit lightweight before.
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He's doing very well at AC Milan. 6 goals and 8 assists in 23 games already
 
Fosu-Mens said:
Pulisic? Why would you pay 60m for him?
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Realistic signing. Marketable to American market. He is also a RW and we dont have one in our entire squad. He has had a bad season but aslong as we have a specialist RW I'm not fussed who it is.
 
Whether Mourinho stays or no, I think a centre back is a must. Koulibaly should be attainable, Napoli is still considered to be a selling club (not being disrespectful to Napoli).

A midfield also a must, in fact we should be trying to get a deeper midfielder who can bring the ball forward. If Mourinho stays, he needs someone like that next to Matic. A new manager probably prefer to get rid Matic for deep lying playmaker. Ruben Neves should be attainable & realistic.

The last one will be another attacker, need to be world class or top class (whether he’s an attacker plays on the right or striker no 9), depends on how we are going to play but we need someone other than Martial who can score goals and also create chances. Sad thing is not many out there are attainable.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
Whether Mourinho stays or no, I think a centre back is a must. Koulibaly should be attainable, Napoli is still considered to be a selling club (not being disrespectful to Napoli).

A midfield also a must, in fact we should be trying to get a deeper midfielder who can bring the ball forward. If Mourinho stays, he needs someone like that next to Matic. A new manager probably prefer to get rid Matic for deep lying playmaker. Ruben Neves should be attainable & realistic.

The last one will be another attacker, need to be world class or top class (whether he’s an attacker plays on the right or striker no 9), depends on how we are going to play but we need someone other than Martial who can score goals and also create chances. Sad thing is not many out there are attainable.
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You're looking at £200m plus with them three players.
 
Adnan said:
You're looking at £200m plus with them three players.
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That makes sense for 2019 Winter & Summer window plus getting rid some players like Jones, Lukaku, Sanchez and etc.

Liverpool spent more than 250m pounds in 2018.
 
sam147 said:
Realistic signing. Marketable to American market. He is also a RW and we dont have one in our entire squad. He has had a bad season but aslong as we have a specialist RW I'm not fussed who it is.
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Instead of spending £60m on Pulisic(stated in the media that he wants to play for Liverpool) put some extra £££ and go for Sancho. Or go for Suso(Clause at £35m and twice the player Pulisic is.). Bad business, but the type our club would do.
 
I wouldn't mind Mou out and get someone like Cantona, Giggs, Scholes or Blanc in until sommer, can't be much worse can it?

Than go for a DoF, perhaps the one at Dortmund or something? They seem to have a neck for poaching good talent.

Get that DoF working with a future manager on a future vision and plan, get rid of some deadwood and older players.
I would not miss Smalling, Jones, Valencia, Young, Rojo, Fellaini at least. Kind of sad that I felt like I should not name more players but the truth is that half of team are players I would not miss. I don't understand how in all of this players like Fred, Dalot and Pereira don't get more chances when everything is going so wrong and we are changing 5-6 positions every game. But that is on the gaffer.

Perhaps Zidane, Blanc, Poch or even Eddie Howe :P is avilable next summer. I don't know but a lot of changes in staff and board and players looks needed, something is rotten. The more I think about the more Poch seems to be the man I want, sure he has no medals but he has done a great job at 'spurs but maybe hit a wall there, with more funding he can maybe build us back up

Wouldn't mind seeing us get some players like De Ligt, Pavard, Sancho, Sessegnon, Frankie De Jong, Ruben Nevez for an example. Don't know who is attainable right now or in January but in general, we seem to have lost out on a few players to rather buy older overprised or ready made players who have not hit the ground running, however our young players seem to have stagnated in development. Not everything wrong at the club is Mourinhos fault but replacing him for someone who can nurture and grow young talent would be a good first step in my books
 
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Ahsan_6386 said:
Oh it will be a major rebuilding process for whoever comes in next after Mourinho . It will all depend on if we reach top 4 or not because then only we can sign the best options . Honestly looking at our current situation I believe we will end up in Europa league next season and hence will make signings according to that . I believe we will make 4 signings between the incoming winter and summer transfer windows .

My personal choices are :

Incoming signings :

1. Fekir for Right wing cum right forward positon .
2. Pavard for Centre back position .
3. Milenkovic for Right back position .
4. Pelligrini for Center midfield position .
5. Tuanzebe back from loan from Villa .

Outgoing:

1.Darmian
2.Rojo
3.Jones
4. Mata
5. Perreira
6. Mc Tominay (Loan)

Possible 2019 starting 11

-----------------------------------De Gea-------------------------
Milenkovic----Smalling--------Pavard--------Shaw
-------------------------------Pelligrini--------------------------
----------------Fred---------------------------Pogba-----------
Fekir----------------------Sanchez-----------------Martial
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Honestly Fekir isn't winger material at all. And I'm also worried by is injury proneness. As for Pavard I do believe he was playing way over is league during the WC, He'll need years to improve to the standards of quality we're looking for.
 
Fosu-Mens said:
Instead of spending £60m on Pulisic(stated in the media that he wants to play for Liverpool) put some extra £££ and go for Sancho. Or go for Suso(Clause at £35m and twice the player Pulisic is.). Bad business, but the type our club would do.
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Sancho maybe. Suso played for Liverpool so never in a million years.
 
breakout67 said:
That has to do with the difference between organisations as well as City cooking the books. Our wage bill includes every single employee, and we are a huge company.

Our wage bill is the healthiest in the whole league, being the lowest proportion of turnover. Any suggestion that our wage bill is out of control is plainly false. The only thing stopping us is the Premiere league regulation of increasing wage bill by a certain maximum.

Man City's wage bill is 55% of their turnover, while ours is 45%. This is all the while City have cooked their sponsorships and are most likely hiding operational costs.
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Having mediocre players on big money is out of control. It means we struggle to get rid of them as no club wants to match our insane wages for a fairly shite player.
 
nokillingmoths said:
Having mediocre players on big money is out of control. It means we struggle to get rid of them as no club wants to match our insane wages for a fairly shite player.
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We got rid of Rooney pretty easily. Wages for players are getting massive all throughout the league, it's not just United.
I don't actually see any mediocre players in our squad, I see lots of players not performing, who are established international players who have had great success throughout their careers. If that's mediocre lord help the vast majority of players as they must be really really shite.
Our players aren't being played to their strengths, we also have a manager who tells the media they're not good enough on a weekly basis now, so maybe that's reflected in your assessment of them. For me they're far better than our current situation shows.
 
Galaad Joachim said:
Honestly Fekir isn't winger material at all. And I'm also worried by is injury proneness. As for Pavard I do believe he was playing way over is league during the WC, He'll need years to improve to the standards of quality we're looking for.
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I know Fekir isn't winger material but there are not viable options around at this moment for the right side . Also he plays more as a right sided forward in the few games I have seen . Agreed his injury issues are worrisome but he has been playing well for past 2 seasons without a lot of injuries . Add to that he is in his prime so we can get more out of him . Also another factor is that next season Mata might leave United so we need someone experienced in our squad and I believe this coming season Fekir will only have 1 year remaining on his contract so we can get him on the cheap .

The other right wing options most fans would like are Sancho and Dembele who are both young and very expensive . Either one will cost a lot of money and considering our current defensive woes I do believe we will spend big on a defender in the summer transfer window .

About Pavard well I have only heard good things about him recently and also Bayern Munich is after him too so I am sure he is doing something well . Honestly we should go for a younger option right now as we missed a good opportunity in Laporte last season . Skiniar is my 1st choice but I dont believe Inter will sell him next season . So after him Pavard is my 2nd choice .
 
Ahsan_6386 said:
another factor is that next season Mata might leave United so we need someone experienced in our squad
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That's exactly my fear, Mata et Fekir are the "same" kind of players, Mata was wasted here, and Fekir will be in our current setup. The guy needs creative freedom in the center of the pitch and eventually to reach the wing. But he will never be roaming the line. Him in the center and Marhez at his right would be tremendous.

As for Pavard I think he's a great lad, but not top tier as central defender goes, we need a leader before anything else in that position.

Also the answer to all our problems is simple, De Ligt, De Jong, David Neres, we need the 3D's from Ajax, here are the golden boys.
 
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We will need to do aggressive with our bids and pay packets that we make the unattainable interested if we are ever going to turn this squad around.
 
Essentially, we need to do what Real Madrid did in 2009’s summer market.

However, it seems unlikely as they spent probably around £1bn in today’s terms.
 
Adnan said:
Liverpool had £140m from the Coutinho sale too...
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Exactly!

So if we get rid Lukaku, Sanchez, Jones and etc we’ll get £££ from the sale too.

Not sure what’s your problem there.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
Exactly!

So if we get rid Lukaku, Sanchez, Jones and etc we’ll get £££ from the sale too.

Not sure what’s your problem there.
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I can't see us getting rid of Sanchez with the mammoth wage he's on. Jones is a sick note and a calamity waiting to happen. Lukaku is on huge wages too. He'd have to take a pay cut to join a team like Everton because no big European team would want him leading their attack. We'd also have to take a hit on the transfer fee because at this moment in time we aren't recouping what we paid for him.
 
We will not back Jose in Jan. What would be the point. He is gone in the summer. Might as well write this season off and let the new manager start with his budget
 
red4ever 79 said:
We will not back Jose in Jan. What would be the point. He is gone in the summer. Might as well write this season off and let the new manager start with his budget
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I think your right and I’m fine with that. Jose has wasted ££.
 
Adnan said:
I can't see us getting rid of Sanchez with the mammoth wage he's on. Jones is a sick note and a calamity waiting to happen. Lukaku is on huge wages too. He'd have to take a pay cut to join a team like Everton because no big European team would want him leading their attack. We'd also have to take a hit on the transfer fee because at this moment in time we aren't recouping what we paid for him.
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So what about how much money we can recoupe. You are acting like Ed Woodward and that’s what holding this club, thinking about profit.

You don’t buy players and overload what we got. We also have a rule of how many players we can register and also we don’t want having too many expensive wages that aren’t good enough and licking the money there on the bench.

Sanchez can join MLS or Chinese clubs, the sooner we sell Lukaku the better it is before his price getting lower (pretty sure there are lot of club out there still think he’s still a top striker based on stats), Jones and the others are some of the example of deadwood, if you prefer to keep Jones them we can still sell Bailly or Rojo or whoever the manager think aren’t good enough.

If we aren’t being rudeness of getting rid deadwood, thinking about making profit and refuse to move on to improve our squad, we aren’t getting anywhere to challenge the league.

Koulibaly, Neves and one top class attacker aren’t unrealistic. If Liverpool who has less money than us can afford £250m-£300m, we should be able to spend that amount of money as well.
 
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Leaving aside the spending big part, one player I'd definitely look at to improve the squad is young Declan Rice at West Ham.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
So what about how much money we can recoupe. You are acting like Ed Woodward and that’s what holding this club, thinking about profit.

You don’t buy players and overload what we got. We also have a rule of how many players we can register and also we don’t want having too many expensive wages that aren’t good enough and licking the money there on the bench.

Sanchez can join MLS or Chinese clubs, the sooner we sell Lukaku the better it is before his price getting lower (pretty sure there are lot of club out there still think he’s still a top striker based on stats), Jones and the others are some of the example of deadwood, if you prefer to keep Jones them we can still sell Bailly or Rojo or whoever the manager think aren’t good enough.

If we aren’t being rudeness of getting rid deadwood, thinking about making profit and refuse to move on to improve our squad, we aren’t getting anywhere to challenge the league.

Koulibaly, Neves and one top class attacker aren’t unrealistic. If Liverpool who has less money than us can afford £250m-£300m, we should be able to spend that amount of money as well.
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You make it sound like it's easy to offload players like Sanchez who is on around £500,000 a week. We can't get rid of players who are contracted to us if they don't want to leave. This isn't football manager on the PC.
 
Adnan said:
You make it sound like it's easy to offload players like Sanchez who is on around £500,000 a week. We can't get rid of players who are contracted to us if they don't want to leave. This isn't football manager on the PC.
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It’s not like I’m making it sounds easy, it’s because my logic is realistic. I named 2 with 3 position and they are attainable. If we don’t sell players then we will never sign new players with the number of players in our squad.

MLS & Chinese club can afford his wages. There is no reason apart from money for Sanchez to play in here. And Sanchez is just an example from lot of players we can get rid. They don’t need to be Sanchez, Lukaku or Jones. There are lot of players in this club need to be shipped out.

Tell me what’s your logic, and let’s see if it can get more realistic than mine.
 
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UNITED ACADEMY said:
It’s not like I’m making it sounds easy, it’s because my logic is realistic. I named 2 with 3 position and they are attainable. If we don’t sell players then we will never sign new players with the number of players in our squad.

MLS & Chinese club can afford his wages. There is no reason apart from money for Sanchez to play in here. And Sanchez is just an example from lot of players we can get rid. They don’t need to be Sanchez, Lukaku or Jones. There are lot of players in this club need to be shipped out.

Tell me what’s your logic, and let’s see if it can get more realistic than mine.
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I personally don't think we should spend £100m on a single CB like you're suggesting, eventhough I do like Koulibaly. I'm hoping we'll go for the young Serbian defender Milenkovic from Fiorentina and also Aldeweireld who will be available for £25m in the summer. Milenkovic is also very versatile and can play RB. I think we could sign both players for around £65m which would be a better long term strategy too.

I'm fine with your midfield pick in Ruben Neves and think we could sign him for around £40 to £50m. The worldclass attacker you speak of will cost probably cost a £100m plus in the current market. Instead I would suggest we look at someone who is young but showing incredible potential. Houssam Aouar from Lyon should be someone we should seriously consider for that role. He's a player that has incredible potential and will be a brilliant acquisition.

As far as off loading players go, I'm with you that we do need to get players out, but it's not easy like we've seen with Rojo, Darmian etc. Players on huge wages like Lukaku, Sanchez won't want to take huge pay cuts to leave. Sanchez might not want to leave Europe either which would be a problem.

I also think we should sign Kieran Tierney from Celtic before someone else snaps him up, regardless of Luke Shaw.
 
Adnan said:
I personally don't think we should spend £100m on a single CB like you're suggesting, eventhough I do like Koulibaly. I'm hoping we'll go for the young Serbian defender Milenkovic from Fiorentina and also Aldeweireld who will be available for £25m in the summer. Milenkovic is also very versatile and can play RB. I think we could sign both players for around £65m which would be a better long term strategy too.

I'm fine with your midfield pick in Ruben Neves and think we could sign him for around £40 to £50m. The worldclass attacker you speak of will cost probably cost a £100m plus in the current market. Instead I would suggest we look at someone who is young but showing incredible potential. Houssam Aouar from Lyon should be someone we should seriously consider for that role. He's a player that has incredible potential and will be a brilliant acquisition.

As far as off loading players go, I'm with you that we do need to get players out, but it's not easy like we've seen with Rojo, Darmian etc. Players on huge wages like Lukaku, Sanchez won't want to take huge pay cuts to leave. Sanchez might not want to leave Europe either which would be a problem.

I also think we should sign Kieran Tierney from Celtic before someone else snaps him up, regardless of Luke Shaw.
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You are not looking at the main issue. We should be thinking about improving the quality of the team instead of quantity or adding extra young players.

What we need is an experienced, leadership and top centre back. Why are we spending money on another raw young centre back with no leadership like Milenkovic when we already have Tuanzebe, Fosu Mensah, Bailly, & Lindelof? If we are going to develop a youngster, let’s develop what we are currently have first.

Alderweireld hasn’t been good enough this season, and he’s going to be 30 in the couple of months, not sure how he’s considered to be a long term strategy with Koulibaly is still in his prime age and considered to be one of the best and currently available in the market.

I wouldn’t be scared about the money that we are going to spend on a single CB, I would rather spend huge on one of the best centre back like what Liverpool did on Van Dijk, rather than trying to find a bargain price on so much less quality like Lovren, Matic, Sakho, Bailly and Lindelof.

We already have Rashford & Martial, they are two young attackers, I just don’t think it’s a good idea to add another “young’’ & ‘’unproven’’ attacker into our squad. It’s not going to solve the issue. And also instead of signing another young talented, I would rather use our academy, there are some talent attackers in our academy that we can develop into very good players.

Cavani isn’t young anymore, PSG can still take him as his replacement. Juventus has shown sign of interest in Lukaku. Lukaku might not be good enough in our view, but he has some good stats that can convince other clubs to sign him.
 
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