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Who would you pick, Scholes or Veron?
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Scholes, of course.
(Surely, this isn't a serious question?)
(Surely, this isn't a serious question?)
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Open your eyes, nearly all Reds in this thread agree we should play Scholes or Butt. Only you and a few scousers here hope we play Veron. Are you really so happy that you have the same opinion as Davo?</strong><hr></blockquote>
hey! <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
not everyone have the same opinion!
Like I said before, it's only the 2nd game since the season started. Who knows Seba can't deliver?
Originally posted by Murt:
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Because you love his lovely blonde hair and are pissed off that he never replies to your emails and has put out a restraining order on you perhaps
Very good..
Originally posted by Davo:
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Why do I slag Forlan off?</strong><hr></blockquote>
because deep in your heart you know that forlan is better than your donkey!
Originally posted by pjaya:
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hey! <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
not everyone have the same opinion!
Like I said before, it's only the 2nd game since the season started. Who knows Seba can't deliver?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You're right, everyone can have their own opinion. So If my previous message make you think that I'm not allowing different opinions, I apologize.
Now following the latter part of your reply, "who knows Seba can't deliver?"... Well, first we should clear up this:
whether he can deliver or not is not the only point to determine whether he should be selected before Scholes or not.
That means, if he can't deliver, of course we won't select him. But even if he can deliver, it doesn't mean that we need him more than Scholes. From what I see Veron is a good ball passer (on his day) and set piece taker, somewhat similar to the things Becks and Keano are doing. While Scholes is much more dynamic, physical and deadly around the box. I miss his work rate, his thunderous shoot, and his ability to dash into the box at the right time.
So I will still choose Scholes, even if Veron can return to as good as he was at the start of last season. If I'm the manager, I will start with either Scholes or Butt subject to the opponent and tactic, and use Veron as a backup for Beckham or Keano.
Veron any day. If both are on from Veron is better and far more creative. If their both of form like last season same story. Believ it or not I feel Schjoles was our worst player last season
Thus says the chief
Thus says the chief
Originally posted by Murt:
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Agreed but he was one of many. Like Veron & Beckham he underperformed for a large part of the season. Blamb it on a new system or whatever but i still believe his heart wasnt in the 4411 formation and he gave up before he gave it a chance.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You won't get the best out of a player unless you play him in a position that comes naturally to him.
By the time Scholes adjusted to that position, we could have been relegated.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>By the time Scholes adjusted to that position, we could have been relegated.
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true, im still a bit disappointed that he flopped so badly there as i think he would be brilliant there, hes normally the first man forward anyway when we play 442 so it cant be so different.
Its that old saying "never change a winning team" but did we have a winning team before Veron came?
Originally posted by Waz:
<strong>Its that old saying "never change a winning team" but did we have a winning team before Veron came?</strong><hr></blockquote>
thats the last time ill be wanting waz on my side in an arguement
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Originally posted by Murt:
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true, im still a bit disappointed that he flopped so badly there as i think he would be brilliant there, hes normally the first man forward anyway when we play 442 so it cant be so different.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I said that would never work..
I told you so..
Veron may be one of the best midfielders in the world on his day but sadly everytime he's played with us its been the wrong day! He's doing my head in. I thought f*cking great when we got him cos he's a star man but you gotta admit he's been crap for us so far.....
He was brought in for the extra creativity in the midfield so that we will be less "predictable". Unfortunately even his teammates couldn't predict what he's going to do at times. I think he's trying too much extraordinary passes which disturbs our build-up and costs us a lot of possessions.
I'm a big fan of him even before he came to OT but last season was really disappointing (can you imagine he had only 1 assist in all league games?). I still have hope in him and I agree we should give him more chance -- but hopefully not at the expense of Scholes!!!
I'm a big fan of him even before he came to OT but last season was really disappointing (can you imagine he had only 1 assist in all league games?). I still have hope in him and I agree we should give him more chance -- but hopefully not at the expense of Scholes!!!
i began to like manchester united when i saw Eric Cantona played. I think that Eric is the combination of veron & scholes. So i think both of them is important. Anyway i will choose scholes to play in the right central midfield (swaping between keane). veron will play in left central midfield (swaping between butt) or right winger if David Beckham is not available. But personally I like to see veron play with his fascinated passing skill( although sometimes didn't work ) because that's the entertainment in football.
Veron and (this will get the red blood boling no doubt) not keane either
You want fire and passion AND composure in the middle - pick butt what a pairing Veron and he would make with Beckham and Giggs outside
You want fire and passion AND composure in the middle - pick butt what a pairing Veron and he would make with Beckham and Giggs outside
According to the notoriously unreliable Corriere dello Sport, Juve are willing to offer £24.5m for Scholes, though they'd rather make it a cash plus players deal with Carini and Davids as the makeweights. Thats a lot of money...should we take it if it was true? I personally don't think so, because I'd rather have Scholes in our team than Veron. If they wanted Veron instead I'd say yes definitely.
Well,if we had a winning team before Veron came,then there is your answer.....Scholes!!!!
And go back to the predictable 4-4-2 with 8 losses and no Eropean tophies. Not to forgetthe perfect way we played when we won our last title. With no creativity what so ever. Forgeting that we only won the title because everyone else including the 6-1 Gunners where far worse than shit thast season. Very wise thoughts my freind
Originally posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber:
<strong>And go back to the predictable 4-4-2 with 8 losses and no Eropean tophies. Not to forgetthe perfect way we played when we won our last title. With no creativity what so ever. Forgeting that we only won the title because everyone else including the 6-1 Gunners where far worse than shit thast season. Very wise thoughts my freind
Didn't we got 8 losses and no Europe trophy in the first season we played with 4-5-1? Have you forgotten what formation we were playing when we got kicked out by Leverkusen? Furthermore, what is the relationship between creativity and the formation we are playing? Real also played 4-4-2 and can you say they are non-creative? And what formation did Arsenal play when they won the double last season?
Hate to say it but Fergie's dilemna on the Scholes/Veron issue is his own fault. Scholes is brilliant but Veron is an out-and-out playmaker. Unless you are prepared to build a team around Veron you have wasted your money. SAF is always going to build his team around Keane, so was buying Veron a rush of blood... or was he expecting Keane to self-destruct (sooner?)
Hate to say it but Fergie's dilemna on the Scholes/Veron issue is his own fault. Scholes is brilliant but Veron is an out-and-out playmaker. Unless you are prepared to build a team around Veron you have wasted your money. SAF is always going to build his team around Keane, so was buying Veron a rush of blood... or was he expecting Keane to self-destruct (sooner?)
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Didn't we got 8 losses and no Europe trophy in the first season we played with 4-5-1? Have you forgotten what formation we were playing when we got kicked out by Leverkusen? Furthermore, what is the relationship between creativity and the formation we are playing? Real also played 4-4-2 and can you say they are non-creative? And what formation did Arsenal play when they won the double last season?</strong><hr></blockquote>
This post deserves highlighting.
Let's play 6-2-1-1. We could then leave the EPL for the Italian Serie A.
But, seriously folks, Scholes has to be in the team. He averaged a goal every three matches in his career. He plays a simple game. He's unselfish and is not looking to be a hero. He just plays great football. He did more than Veron against WBA and he was on for far less time. This is a no brainer, IMO.
But, seriously folks, Scholes has to be in the team. He averaged a goal every three matches in his career. He plays a simple game. He's unselfish and is not looking to be a hero. He just plays great football. He did more than Veron against WBA and he was on for far less time. This is a no brainer, IMO.
Apart form Giggs do we have any dribbling wizards in our team? EH? You keep comparing us to Real and arsenal who have a team packs with dribblers from defence to the entire strikeforce. Their "box" players can all dribbel any defence and so can their midfield.
But for United if we play 4-4-2. Man mark Beck an he will diaspper. Ruud and Ole can't dribble so they will be gone to. Leaving Only Giggs if he dosen't land on a Ramelow who rendered him useless against Bayer Leverkursen. Keano would have to do the defending and Scholes is not a play maker so where will your goals come. and trust me passing alone doesnot get thorugh a well organises and comapact defence. One has to dorminate the midfield yet with the above mentioned situation whod do you think wuld have the ball more in a match between as and .Arsenal for that matter. Or even a Bayern Munich ?
4-4-2 is simply not good enough for United anymore. Especially against big teams with our current crop f players.
thus says the chief
But for United if we play 4-4-2. Man mark Beck an he will diaspper. Ruud and Ole can't dribble so they will be gone to. Leaving Only Giggs if he dosen't land on a Ramelow who rendered him useless against Bayer Leverkursen. Keano would have to do the defending and Scholes is not a play maker so where will your goals come. and trust me passing alone doesnot get thorugh a well organises and comapact defence. One has to dorminate the midfield yet with the above mentioned situation whod do you think wuld have the ball more in a match between as and .Arsenal for that matter. Or even a Bayern Munich ?
4-4-2 is simply not good enough for United anymore. Especially against big teams with our current crop f players.
thus says the chief
Originally posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber:
<strong>Apart form Giggs do we have any dribbling wizards in our team? EH? You keep comparing us to Real and arsenal who have a team packs with dribblers from defence to the entire strikeforce. Their "box" players can all dribbel any defence and so can their midfield.
But for United if we play 4-4-2. Man mark Beck an he will diaspper. Ruud and Ole can't dribble so they will be gone to. Leaving Only Giggs if he dosen't land on a Ramelow who rendered him useless against Bayer Leverkursen. Keano would have to do the defending and Scholes is not a play maker so where will your goals come. and trust me passing alone doesnot get thorugh a well organises and comapact defence. One has to dorminate the midfield yet with the above mentioned situation whod do you think wuld have the ball more in a match between as and .Arsenal for that matter. Or even a Bayern Munich ?
4-4-2 is simply not good enough for United anymore. Especially against big teams with our current crop f players.
thus says the chief
I agree with you that we don't have enough dribbling wizard. Then the solution is obviously: "buy a dribbling wizard", right? That's why I say the purchase of Veron is wrong. The money should be used to buy someone who can beat opponents instead.
But from what you said, it seems Arsenal is really a horrible team ("their "box" players can all dribbel any defence and so can their midfield"). If they are really that strong we would have no chance against them no matter what formation we played <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />