Who would you pick, Scholes or Veron?

Scholes given the choice.Like Mr Blythy says depends who we are playing.
 
Scholes and Keano, or Butt, being rotated to keep them all fresh and hungry. Scholes, in his natural CM position, is a fantastic player who is central to our one touch fast passing style that brought us so much success, as well as unlocking defenses and scoring goals. If we had a creative forward too, then we'd have the ideal situation in the middle of the attack.
 
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>Neither - I'd pick a four man midfield with Beckham, Butt, Keano and Giggs</strong><hr></blockquote>

If Giggsy continues his poor form, I would rather put Scholesy or Seba on the left wing!
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Scholes by all means. At least he understand our game, never get away from tackles and can co-operate with other midfielders without opening his eyes. While the problem of Veron is that he still didn't look like and play like part of our team after a whole year. As I've said in another thread in the transfer forum, the best move of us is to cash in him before his value drops too much.
 
Id prefer Veron, Scholes needs to get his head down and learn to play in the 44"1"1 which on paper is a dream role for him.
 
Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>Id prefer Veron, Scholes needs to get his head down and learn to play in the 44"1"1 which on paper is a dream role for him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hear! Hear! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
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Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>Id prefer Veron, Scholes needs to get his head down and learn to play in the 44"1"1 which on paper is a dream role for him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why Veron can just walk into the team and play in his favourite position while on the other hand Scholes must work hard to change to a new role otherwise he has no place in the team? What has Scholes done wrong so that you must be so unfair to him?
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>Why Veron can just walk into the team and play in his favourite position while on the other hand Scholes must work hard to change to a new role otherwise he has no place in the team? What has Scholes done wrong so that you must be so unfair to him?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I never said he did anything wrong, i just think Veron & Butt are better midfielders than him.
I think he has the wrong attitude with this new formation and even when it was first mentioned last summer he didnt seem arsed with it. Its never going to work if hes not commited to it.
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If you're talking wide players..then we haven't got anyone close to an on form Beckham or Giggs...

When it comes to CM I wouldn;t swap any of your players for Gerrard...Keane's probably betters him at the moment..but brings his own problems...Gerrard's better than both Butt and Scholes, and Veron has yet to prove himself over here after a year
 
Originally posted by Davo:
[QB]If you're talking wide players..then we haven't got anyone close to an on form Beckham or Giggs...

When it comes to CM I wouldn;t swap any of your players for Gerrard...Keane's probably betters him at the moment..but brings his own problems...Gerrard's better than both Butt and Scholes, and Veron has yet to prove himself over here after a year[/Q


<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> it's amazing how Butt can be so under-rated. He was the best english performer in the world cup whereas gerrard has been off form for a year now.
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Originally posted by AhmedDimwitson:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> it's amazing how Butt can be so under-rated. He was the best english performer in the world cup whereas gerrard has been off form for a year now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No he hasn't..

He just wasn't as good as the previous season, when he was awesome..

Silly expert
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Originally posted by Murt:
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I never said he did anything wrong, i just think Veron & Butt are better midfielders than him.
I think he has the wrong attitude with this new formation and even when it was first mentioned last summer he didnt seem arsed with it. Its never going to work if hes not commited to it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Veron may be a better midfielder than Scholes when he was playing 100%, but sadly he nearly never showed that here. And tell me what's so bad for Scholes as a midfielder. Have you forgotten who played in our midfield in the year we won the treble?

And when Scholes played in midfield in 99-00 and 00-01 we "at least" won the league, while Veron played in midfield in 01-02 we were empty-handed. Of course I'm not saying it was all Veron's fault, but it is already well accepted by all media and neutral fans that he was one of the most disappointing players last season. His presence itself already upset our system and hinder the free-flowing, one-touch football we used to.

Open your eyes, nearly all Reds in this thread agree we should play Scholes or Butt. Only you and a few scousers here hope we play Veron. Are you really so happy that you have the same opinion as Davo?
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Fergie should rotate Scholes, Butt and Veron for the other CM role. Keane is certain to start. If Giggs continues his poor form, Scholes or Veron can play there.
 
I still don't understand whats wrong with 3-5-1-1
and then we could play them all,at least start like that instead of 4-5-1 and if the game is going bad and we are being overun in defence take off scholes and butt or veron and butt and bring on a neville and ole and switch to 4-4-2 id rather play 3-5-1 than 4-5-1 but id rather keep
4-4-2 and alternate the midfield.
 
Like this


Barthez

Blanc Ferdinand Silvestre

Butt Keane

Beckham Veron Giggs

Scholes

V.Nistelrooy

A bit defensive but still a hell of an attacking team IMO.
 
Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>Id prefer Veron, Scholes needs to get his head down and learn to play in the 44"1"1 which on paper is a dream role for him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That is true but Veron hasnt done good with that system neither
So?
Id say Scholes
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Veron may be a better midfielder than Scholes when he was playing 100%, but sadly he nearly never showed that here. And tell me what's so bad for Scholes as a midfielder. Have you forgotten who played in our midfield in the year we won the treble?

And when Scholes played in midfield in 99-00 and 00-01 we "at least" won the league, while Veron played in midfield in 01-02 we were empty-handed. Of course I'm not saying it was all Veron's fault, but it is already well accepted by all media and neutral fans that he was one of the most disappointing players last season. His presence itself already upset our system and hinder the free-flowing, one-touch football we used to.

Open your eyes, nearly all Reds in this thread agree we should play Scholes or Butt. Only you and a few scousers here hope we play Veron. Are you really so happy that you have the same opinion as Davo?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Murt's always happy with whatever is happening at OT - doesn't matter if it makes us a worse team for that matter <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
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Scholesy no doubt in the last match. 'coz Veron made so many mistakes!!!
 
Given Fergie's new formations, we can accomodate all of our midfielders, so no worries everyone.
 
Originally posted by mathiaslg:
<strong>Given Fergie's new formations, we can accomodate all of our midfielders, so no worries everyone.</strong><hr></blockquote>

2-6-2 or 2-5-3? :rolleyes:
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4-5-1 ? Although I prefer the old tried and tested 4-4-2, it seems inevitable Ferguson will play two out of Scholes and Veron with Butt and Keane. I would like to see us play 4-4-2 with Butt and Keane in CM and Ole in with Ruud, but theres only only formation Ferguson will use on Friday, and it only includes one Striker imo. :(
 
Here's last season's stats from OPTA (I tried to scale them down to per-90-mins stats):

Scholes Veron
Goals Inside Box 0.23 0.09
Goals Outside Box 0.03 0.13
Total Shots (Inside box) 0.98 0.26
Total Shots (Outside box) 1.34 1.94
Shooting Accuracy (%) 59 42

Goal Assists 0.16 0.04
Short Passes 47.11 64.24
Long Passes 16.55 23.42
Pass Completion Opp Half % 82 76
Crosses Completion % 25 31

Tackles Attempted 3.98 4.01
Tackles Won % 70 67
Blocks 0.39 0.35
Interceptions 0.55 0.31

I know we shouldn't read too much into these stats but it does tell us something:

- Scholes scores more, assists more & shoots more accurately
- Scholes passes more accurately (that might not be a fair comparison though since Veron tends to make a lot more long passes
- Scholes has a better work rate (look at blocks & interceptions)

Basically it's difficult to compare the 2 because of their different styles. (I think it might make more sense to compare Keanne with Veron because both like to drop deep -- and I don't need to tell you Keano outperforms Veron in all aspects)

While all our MFs are world class players, I just feel that Keanne & Scholes complement each other most effectively. When we play Keanne & Veron I always missed the way Scholes bursts into the box and creates problems for defenders. Maybe Scholes & Veron could form a good partnership in attack too but I won't feel comfortable to let Veron stay back to protect our back 4.

Also Veron seems too much of an individual player to me and he just doesn't link too well with others (or suit the way we play). One of the strengths of our midfield used to be the understandings between the players and often with a few no-look-one-two-free-flowing passes we could break down any defense. I feel it's just not as good as it used to be last season and Veron could be one of the reasons among many others.

I'll have Scholes any day. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
 
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