50 50 suggest otherwise. I'm appaled by the result
Who was worse - Rangnick or Ole?
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50 50 suggest otherwise. I'm appaled by the result
I don't get too excited about minor trophies.
Spot on.
I can well remember the posts deriding the Europa League win, as if it was below Manchester United.
Deluded people.
Quoting myself for visibility cause I really want to hear those opinions. Why did your opinion change like that and what will their opinion be when the aforementioned condition occurs? (By everyone, I don't mean individuals, I mean the collective majority opinions at those times)
Its the players fault for not listening. They have signed a contract, they have to fecking follow what the manager asks them to do on the field.
Ole coddled them and they downed tools, Rangnick called them out and they still downed tools.
You may need to realign your expectations.
I’ve said Ole because this was his team and had us in relegation form.
RR has been absolutely pathetic though. I’ve never known a United team to create and score so few goals.
RR has been absolutely pathetic though. I’ve never known a United team to create and score so few goals.
This
Anyone that thinks it's all on ralf needs to get their head out of the sand. Ole made a mess and he left with 20 million in his pocket.
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Rangnick and its not close. I will remember his time as a complete failure with not a single positive. Ole was out of his depth for most of his time here but we had many good moments under him.
How, why?
Well said.
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ole has taken the lead now. This poll might turn out more interesting than our game today and might give the city turnaround a run for their money
Don't do this to yourselves. Ugly thread. Just close the chapter.
I still place the blame on the manager. The most important part of the job is to coax, cajole, threaten or do whatever it takes to establish authority in the dressing room. Rangnick was completely incapable of that. In fact he made it worse for himself because of his public comments.
Ole did just fine in that regard for two years - man management only started being a problem this season after we got smashed by Pool.
You will see rangnicks positive next season when the squad is gutted inside out.
I share your sentiment. Recency bias, our fans need to remember what happened in the first half of the season
Many here are basically saying no manager could have taken over from Ole and produced a good outcome. A good manager can change the attitude, effort, outlook and play in a couple of weeks. Any decent team usually has a new manager-bounce for at least a few weeks. RR did nothing to improve us and we are better than a decent team compared to others.
Your obsession with Ole is bordering on unhealthy
ole has taken the lead now. This poll might turn out more interesting than our game today and might give the city turnaround a run for their money
You do realise that every single player under Ragnick was Ole's right? Ragnick didn't spend half a billion pounds.
My vote swayed the poll 108:107 to Rangnick being worse.
Definitely Ole. He is the one who set us back for years with his shite transfers and cultural reboot nonsense. Rangnick just continued what Ole started.
Ole is responsible for this shit, ralf was hired because ole was shite, it didn't work, how can we compare a guy that spent close to half a milion ponds, to an interim mangaer who has spent zero?
Ole was the worst thing that happened post fergie
Ole was the worst thing that happened post fergie
This needs to be quoted and posted on every page. Absolutely rubbish thread/comparison. Incredibly short sighted. Honestly wouldn't surprise me to start seeing a thread comparing Murtogh to Woodward and how bad the former has been so far compared to Woody boy.
It's definitely Ole. But my god, Ralf was awful too.
We've had this problem for years now, player power has reigned supreme since jose was here. Every time the board has backed the players. Jose was a taskmaster and players downed tools, in came ole and he tried to be their mates but eventually the players threw him under the bus aswell. Then came rangnick who called it as he saw it and he was also thrown under the bus. As an interim the players knew he never actually had any power except to bench them for 6 months, what's worse is that they became more toxic when he benched them instead of fighting for their spot in the starting xi.
No one is forgetting that (though a correction RR took over before the halfway point so RR actually shares blame with part of the first half as well)
What RR's disciples are forgetting though how Ole's interim period compared with RR's and what Ole managed to achieve the 2 years prior to this season all while having his glaringly obvious limitations
Wtf does that have to do with the fraud? The players leaving this summer were always going to leave except maybe AWB.
Ralf cannot take a single bit of credit for any success EtH has next year, especially if he gets us playing a coherent style of football with many of the players that have been labelled as shite this season.
I backed ole till most of his tenure.
This is it isn't it, whatever good ETH does these idiots will credit RR
Anybody who says Ole is worse just be trolling.
When he took over from Mourinho as interim, it wasn't his squad either but he still managed to go on a 15 game unbeaten run which is why the board gave him the job permanently. So these lame excuses about it not being Wreck-It's team just ain't cutting it. And Ole also has quite a few records under his belt. Some negative ones too but not as many as Wreck-It.
But the fecker's gone for good now so it's just onwards and upwards. I just hope the fraud is clearing out his desk as we speak.
When he took over from Mourinho as interim, it wasn't his squad either but he still managed to go on a 15 game unbeaten run which is why the board gave him the job permanently. So these lame excuses about it not being Wreck-It's team just ain't cutting it. And Ole also has quite a few records under his belt. Some negative ones too but not as many as Wreck-It.
But the fecker's gone for good now so it's just onwards and upwards. I just hope the fraud is clearing out his desk as we speak.
Solskjaer would’ve turned it round a little but he needed to go. Rangnick has made a bad situation worse when it was still salvageable.
Still, to say he is more responsible than Ole when he brought no players, is fecking crazy to le
We’ll definitely see some positive when he’s no longer manager.
| Manager | Games | Wins | Draws | Losses | Goals For | Goals Against | Win Ratio |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alex Ferguson | 1,500 | 895 | 338 | 267 | 2,769 | 1,365 | 59.67 |
| David Moyes | 51 | 27 | 9 | 15 | 86 | 54 | 52.94 |
| Louis van Gaal | 103 | 54 | 25 | 24 | 158 | 98 | 52.43 |
| José Mourinho | 144 | 84 | 32 | 28 | 244 | 121 | 58.33 |
| Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 168 | 91 | 37 | 40 | 323 | 165 | 54.17 |
| Ralf Rangnick | 29 | 11 | 10 | 8 | 37 | 37 | 37.93 |
Proud of him for having the guts to tell it how it is.
I just wonder whether there are 1 or 2 ringleaders, or whatever it is more widespread.
Can always count on you speaking some sense, good post.
Ole is bad. But man.
Whether the players play for you or not. Part of your job is getting players on your side. He’s a poor manager.
Goes down with Darmian on Caf recommendations. Let’s hope we are right about ETH.
Whether the players play for you or not. Part of your job is getting players on your side. He’s a poor manager.
Goes down with Darmian on Caf recommendations. Let’s hope we are right about ETH.
Why do you think that no one took him seriously?
Rangnick has a win % of 37% here. Gary Neville was at 36% at Valencia