3 games a week in the Premier League?
Are you sure?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/17522728/denis-zakaria-juventus-arsenal-vieira-role-model/
Who told Rangnick No
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3 games a week in the Premier League?
Are you sure?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/17522728/denis-zakaria-juventus-arsenal-vieira-role-model/
Yeah but as I said until the last week of January we had 5 international players all capable of playing as a striker. Ralf wouldn't have let Martial go if he thought we were short, Greenwood was an unforeseen loss and 48 hours isn't a lot of time to identify, negotiate and sign an adequate replacement.
So the manager of Manchester United doesn't have the power to stop a player going on loan?
How did he block Lingard's loan move then?
Yeah deserved booting out for that alone
I’m not sure why you’re dying on this hill tbh. Is quite clear there were issues in January and it’s no coincidence now that the head negotiator and both chief scouts have been shown the door. You can argue that Rangnick is lying but it all pretty much adds up with what he’s saying and what the press reported during the window.
Obviously not since he asked for him to stay and he didn't. Or maybe you didn't read what Martial publically explained?
He did not. He actually wanted Lingard to go on loan but the club wanted Newcastle to pay a fee for him.
"The club told me they couldn't find an agreement with any of those clubs that were interested in him." Ralf Rangnick says there was an attempt to allow Jesse Lingard to leave on loan but an agreement couldn't be reached
Also:
...as it stands, Newcastle could end up paying more than £15m to take Lingard for the rest of the season. United are demanding a £2.5m loan fee, full coverage of the player’s wages and a £12m bonus if the Saudi Arabian-owned club avoid relegation from the Premier League.
Unless a compromise is reached Lingard faces having to finish the campaign at Old Trafford even though Ralf Rangnick has told him he is not in his plans.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-of-collapse-over-15m-terms-manchester-united
I'll spell it out for you again. His father loved Juventus but he did not have a serious offer from any other club.
“In January they (United) were offered the chance, and they discussed the chance, to sign Boubacar Kamara from Marseille or Denis Zakaria from Borussia Monchengladbach. But the board said ‘no, no transfers in January’.”
And this is the exact quote from Zakaria:
“Because Juventus are the club that showed the most desire to sign me. There is something to do with the feeling too.
“You can feel the way people talk to you, the interest people have in you. Other clubs that approached me were more reserved. With Juve, there was an immediate real interest in me, with concrete things from the outset. It’s pleasant, rewarding, and that made the difference.”
Dying on hills?
Eh no I'm not, I'm just sharing my opinion.
Argue that Rangnick is lying?
Well i don't think Ralf is and I don't believe I was suggesting that he was. I believe it all happened as has been reported but I suspect Ralf didn't think it was a big deal at the end of January when things were going ok. But strange that it crops again in May after things have went tits up spectacularly.
You were just persistent in asking questions that @Ralph1386 has answered already so figured you were peddling some kind of agenda
Listen mate if you actually believe that the manager of Manchester United doesn't have the power to stop a player going on loan or that Lingard wasn't prevented from going on loan after the Greenwood incident. Then to be honest I don't know what to say.
Oh yeah it must be an agenda mate, feck me. Not sure any questions have actually been answered.
Don’t have an meltdown. Was just pointing out he’d literally countered every point you raised.
So of the clubs that approached him he preferred Juventus. Great glad we cleared that one up mate.
Meltdown.
Were any actually countered?
They were from where I’m sat. He’s been quite succinct and left you in a pickle
Tbf these are the scouts who said no to Camavinga and also favoured Lindelof over Virgil. They have some mad history with this nonsense.
Three games a week (or 3 games in 8 days if you wanna clutch at straws) in the premier league and in all competitions as well.
JANUARY 2022
Sat 22 Jan - English Premier League
- Man Utd vs West Ham
Wed 19 Jan - English Premier League
- Brentford vs Man Utd
Sat 15 Jan - English Premier League
- Aston Villa vs Man Utd
FEBRUARY 2022
Sat 26 Feb|English Premier League
- Man Utd vs Watford
Wed 23 Feb|Champions League
- Atletico Madrid vs Man Utd
- Leeds versus Man Utd
Man utd vs Brighton
Sat 12 Feb|English Premier League
- Man Utd vs Southampton
- Burnley vs Man Utd
Not the bloke who works in the salmon-coloured jumper shop, that's for sure.
Only Juventus seriously approached him the others were reserved, and Romano says we were never in for him. Read back what I wrote "mate".
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"Mate" when an interim manager tells a player he wants to keep him, and the player still leaves, the interim manager has no power in that situation. Just like he had no power over transfers or over letting Lingard leave.
These are actual quotes from Martial himself after he left the club, not what I think or want.
Ronaldo only played in two of those games, Cavani played vs Villa. Decent enough back-up though.
Ronaldo didn't start against Burnley Cavani again took his place.
So Southampton, Brighton and Leeds in 8 days fair enough. But it's hardly like we were relying on him playing 3 league games a week if he only done it once since Ralf's been here.
So other clubs unseriously approached him?
Anyway he preferred Juventus or he wouldn't be there. End of story.
Don't be getting upset now mate.
Rangnick obviously allowed him to go on loan. If he'd really wanted him to stay he'd still be here. Interim or not Ralf's still the manager I don't see the club loaning a player he wanted to keep. Most likely Rangnick wouldn't have been averse to keeping him around but seeing as he wanted to leave he let him and didn't see it as much of a loss.
Ronaldo was injured against Villa that's why he didn't play, and his form dipped because he was starting almost every game.
Cavani is 35 and was injured for 60% of the season so not a decent back-up at all.
Yes.
Other clubs that approached me were more reserved. With Juve, there was an immediate real interest in me, with concrete things from the outset.
He's Ronaldo of course he's starting almost every game.
Not Cavani's biggest fan but I still think he's a good player and a decent back-up when fit.
Yes so he preferred to join the club that was less reserved in their approach?
Except that I obviously gave you the actual quotes from both the player and the manager that contradict everything you just said.
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So you think that a player can be decent back-up even though he is not fit for 60% of the season? Who's the back-up for 60% of the season when Martial and Greenwood are not there then?
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We exchange opinions in here. Obviously
You conveniently over look the fact we wanted to get a new long term manager who would drive the future direction of the club. It would have been rather ridiculous to add any permanent signing in January without knowing who the next permanent boss would want.
First, am not sure what obessesion you have with imagining Ive called my personal view "a fact.". Its rather strange.
Second,
This squad failed to be sufficiently motivated by us signing Varane, Sancho and Cristiano Ronaldo in the summer. So you shouldn't be surprised am not prepared to imagine any signing in January would have had a Bruno Fernandes like effect on them.
You conveniently look over the fact that I was talking about loans and cheap players that wouldn't be difficult for the next permanent boss to move on.
That is a fair point and I can understand where you're coming from. It's all hypothetical in either case. My point is we could have tried a cheap option to help out the interim manager and not throw the season away. Whether it would have worked or not is hypothetical as there are examples that both prove and disprove it.
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And United was not one of these clubs, since the club decided against going for him.
Romano: “In January they (United) were offered the chance, and they discussed the chance, to sign Boubacar Kamara from Marseille or Denis Zakaria from Borussia Monchengladbach. But the board said ‘no, no transfers in January’.”
Therefore "he preferred Juventus" is not what stopped us from signing him, but rather the club did.
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No I read the quotes mate but they don't contradict anything they also don't mean what you seem to think they mean. They don't prove that Ralf didn't have the power to stop Martial leaving on loan which as manager of Man Utd he obviously does.
The only thing the quotes from Martial prove is that he was determined to leave on loan. Which makes sense given he refused to play in a game according to Rangnick.
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I take Romano with a pinch of salt to be honest but that makes sense given my original post on Zakaria then.
This was a question by the way not a statement. And to be fair I never actually claimed that United tried to buy him either.
So let's see, Rangnick suggested Zakaria, United didn't pursue him for whatever reason. Yes?
Other clubs did and of those he preferred to go to Juve. Yes?
So what is it exactly you have been trying to argue mate?
A bit irrelevant debating what happened in the past. I'm more interested in what will happened in the future.
Without doubt the best post I have read since joining this chat group.
Whoever did, he/they/whatever ruined our last chance to actually achieve something this season.
Btw. we kept Lingard to sit on the bench
Madness
Btw. we kept Lingard to sit on the bench
Madness
Rangnick no (credit card) swiping
You can't be buying players for an interim manager. Not when the next managerial appointment has not been confirmed.
Someone should've pointed that out to him when he was moaning about it. I'm not one of those guys who are blaming him for the results but I disagree with him here.
Once we went the interim route, there should be no signings made until the next manager comes in. We don't even have a proper dof structure to be signing players without managers tbh.
Someone should've pointed that out to him when he was moaning about it. I'm not one of those guys who are blaming him for the results but I disagree with him here.
Once we went the interim route, there should be no signings made until the next manager comes in. We don't even have a proper dof structure to be signing players without managers tbh.