Who replaces Ten Hag?

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Castia said:
I’m not seeing his direction at all. The football is awful and if he carries on getting his way with recruitment we’re on the road to conference league football because they’re nowhere near good enough

The results being poor wouldn’t be half as bad if there was a clear game-plan and structure to the play but half the time even when we win it’s just 11 players on the pitch doing there own thing it’s shocking to watch us play these days
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He is dealing with the same bulshit the last three managers have had to deal with. Last season was way beyond acceptable so he deserves this season at least. Or should we throw 20 mil at Villa to let us have Emery?
Our fans are so fecking delusional when it comes to building a football squad. It takes time and effort, failure and success and also realizing that players like Rashford and Martial get you no where.
Liverpool sold Coutinho and built a spine supported by players like Milner and Henderson. Look at them now. Wiping the floor with us for the last 5 years.
Our manager needs players to play to his instruction. We know half a dozen of our 1st team can't do that. The club implementation of a proper footballing structure can do that and ETH is one of the best managers in Europe who can excel in that structure. Why throw that out because a few players who have previous are getting their jocks in a knot because the training is too intensive or they can't get to Carrington on time.
feck that. Ten Hag chose us. He did the business last season but some of the absolute cnuts in our team thought that the league cup was the pinnacle and packed it in for the rest of the season. Half the squad have been injured since September and we are still in contention for a European place which is all we can hope for right now while our owners continue to feck us over and over.
We have been a team of individuals with no direction ( except for the 7 - 10 games under a new coach) for 10 years now. Man Utd having a shite season is nothing new but the last thing we should be doing is firing our manager.
 
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GiddyUp said:
He is dealing with the same bulshit the last three managers have had to deal with. Last season was way beyond acceptable so he deserves this season at least. Or should we throw 20 mil at Villa to let us have Emery?
Our fans are so fecking delusional when it comes to building a football squad. It takes time and effort, failure and success and also realizing that players like Rashford and Martial get you no where.
Liverpool sold Coutinho and built a spine supported by players like Milner and Henderson. Look at them now.
Our manager needs players to play to his instruction. We know half a dozen of out 1st team can't do that. The club implementation of a proper footballing structure can do that and ETH is one of the best managers in Europe who can excel in that structure. Why throw that out because a few players who have previous are getting their jocks in a knot because the training is too intensive or they can't get to Carrington on time.
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I agree the manager needs time but when we see him make the signings he’s made you can see we’re not moving forward. To get time you have to show that something is worth waiting for and I just don’t see it in terms of the way we play, results and recruitment.

We are having to replace signings he’s spent a fortune on we need a RW, DM and Striker after he’s spent over 200m on those positions it’s laughable
 
Bit of a gamble since his time with Germany didn't end well, but Hansi Flick is currently available if we're looking at immediate solutions. Conte is also available with the understanding that he's a short term solution.

End of the season we could look at Xabi Alonso, or maybe even Ancelotti if Madrid poach the former. We could try ringing up Simeone or Allegri.
 
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Castia said:
I agree the manager needs time but when we see him make the signings he’s made you can see we’re not moving forward. To get time you have to show that something is worth waiting for and I just don’t see it in terms of the way we play, results and recruitment.

We are having to replace signings he’s spent a fortune on we need a RW, DM and Striker after he’s spent over 200m on those positions it’s laughable
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So what. This club spend stupid money on shit players all the time. What choice did he have? It's very obvious that we are terrible at incoming and outgoing transfers. I wouldn't wish this team on any manager but he had the balls to step up and recommended the players he's familiar with. For every couple of shite selections we get a Martinez. Hojlund looks promising, Malacia has bit of bite to him and it's a big step up, for all of them. ETH deserves a chance under a different football structure other than the Glazer cnuts catching highlights and deciding on toilet paper purchasing every quarter.
We need to be a modern football club, not a base for social media influencers.
 
GiddyUp said:
Thought so.
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If that's to me I can only laugh :lol:. Are you setting two minute time contraints for replies on a football forum? Should I be here read to drop everything to quickly appease GiddyUp from Redcafe? Even if I was coincidentally there at the exact moment am I to provide a thoughtful reply that fast? Or maybe putting some thought into a reply is a novel idea for you?

GiddyUp said:
Trying to install a footballing structure while dealing with a toxic culture and shitty ownership with no direct whatsoever. Come on kid. Name a coach.
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Sounds interesting. Can you provide some more details about it? How do you know what's going on with all of that structural rebuild and how sound it is? I mean you must have inside knowledge of it to draw such a conclusion. I hope it's true but personally I don't get to peek behind the scenes and see the ins and outs of the work, so I can only judge on what we see on the field. I'd be very scared of trusting my structural rebuild to someone who's already made very, very questionable decisions in the transfer market and in team selections, but maybe this football coach is actually somehow miraculously better at rebuilding massive organisations, than he is at his actual job?

On the coaching side I would like someone who sets up with a more solid base in midfield for starters and doesn't accept players not being willing to get on the ball in the middle of the park. I was a big fan of Emery and have posts about him last season, but of course he'd be unattainable now. Once Ineos come in they probably won't be able to get their top targets mid-season so they could either get someone who they think is on the up but without the reputation built up yet, or they might go for someone who has a body of work that is a mixed bag up to this point. They could always assess again in the summer if needed. This culture of everything going through the manager needs to stop. A coach should be seen as a cog in the system like a player. If they don'y work out move them on.

INEOS might even fancy someone from total left field like their own guy from Nice or the coach who turned us over last night. But if that's too extreme they could look to the likes of Flick, Lopetegui or even Potter or Hassenhuttl could be given a try in the short term. This is assuming there is no chance of getting the often touted higher targets who are tied up in jobs that probably wouldn't let them go right now. Wouldn't be thrilled about it by any means but if they set the team up with tactics that make sense I would have some patience with them. INEOS/Blanc will definitely have a better idea than me though, I don't follow Europe enough to see who the upcoming coaches are and I reckon they could find someone more interesting for sure, but there's some names for you. You have the right to laugh at them if you like.

Likewise if we were able to see some evidence for what Ten Hag is building I would have patience with him too. I was clamouring for him to come here! He's been extremely disappointing though because he's resorted to playing moments football again with the likes of McTominay and Maguire as his main stays. That doesn't strike me as someone who is sticking to a vision. I've been begging for someone to show me exactly what Ten Hag is building but no one ever seems to have beyond a vague answer.

Please share it if you can? In fact I'm so desperate to know I'll give you two minutes.
 
GiddyUp said:
So what. This club spend stupid money on shit players all the time. What choice did he have? It's very obvious that we are terrible at incoming and outgoing transfers. I wouldn't wish this team on any manager but he had the balls to step up and recommended the players he's familiar with. For every couple of shite selections we get a Martinez. Hojlund looks promising, Malacia has bit of bite to him and it's a big step up, for all of them. ETH deserves a chance under a different football structure other than the Glazer cnuts catching highlights and deciding on toilet paper purchasing every quarter.
We need to be a modern football club, not a base for social media influencers.
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Nearly every signing he’s made has been a disaster he’s wasted hundreds of millions and could have potentially set us back years. Even Martinez who the best of the bunch as had 2 major injuries in 18 months and missed a huge amount of matches.

You can’t just say ‘so what’ it’s a massive feck up. You can’t carry on spending hundreds of millions on shit players we’ll end up worse than we have ever been.
 
They are lazy true but playing two 10s in the EPL is just batshit crazy.

I'm not saying we would have got results but we would have been a much better shape in the last games with Mainoo and Amrabat in the middle and no McT.

I don't care about McT goals. We need a team playing like a team on the field.
 
gaffs said:
Rubin Amorim. Infectious personality who I believe would get the players onside.
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Our squad would eat him up faster than a pack of Scooby Snacks at a kids party. After all they gorged up Mourinho and Ole, both with tons of credit in the bank.
 
Unai Emery or McKenna - has to be between them. Nagelsmann in the fray if he's leaving Germany after Euros
 
Salt Bailly said:
I can't see Xabi Alonso ever coming here.
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To be fair, Alonso has played for both Real Sociedad and Real Madrid (and coached their Reserve and Youth teams for good measure), and currently coaches Bayer Leverkusen after playing for Bayern Munich — at first glance, he doesn't seem entirely opposed to representing multiple clubs in the same division, be it in La Liga or the Bundesliga (as long as professional objectives are in alignment, of course). That being said, those clubs weren't exactly in the same echelon in terms of historical heft, and there does appear to be an insurmoutable barrier between Manchester United and Liverpool; he would definitely be tarnishing his reputation and burning lots of bridges with the latter, if he decides to become the Head Coach of their eternal rivals. Also, given Florentino Pérez's pragmatic streak (and foresight, especially of late — with them swiftly moving on from legends and head-liners of the preceding era of dominance), Alonso kind of seems destined for Real Madrid (Ancelotti is a bit long in the tooth by now, and could seek a new adventure), so we might not even have a choice in the matter? Casting a reasonably wide net to identify multiple worthwhile candidates (before whittling the list down to 2 or 3 optimal choices) would serve Blanc, Brailsford and the new Director of Football well, at any rate — Head Coaches, while extremely important, should ultimately be a replaceable cogs in the machinery at top-shelf, self-sustaining organizations (until and unless they prove themselves to be exceptions to the norm through abiding excellence).
 
gaffs said:
Rubin Amorim. Infectious personality who I believe would get the players onside.
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Which players?

I hope we are all clear that nobody in the world can get this collection of lazy primadonnas playing even like current Aston Villa, let alone City

Point is, Erik may not have what it takes even for an improved squad, since some of his signings have been weird, and his decisions in team selection have been weird and naive.

So #1 - squad needs fixing. #2 - maybe Erik needs to go as well. But first is way more critical
 
I’d love to get Simeone just to see him kick so many of the lazy basterds out of the squad.
 
NewGlory said:
Which players?

I hope we are all clear that nobody in the world can get this collection of lazy primadonnas playing even like current Aston Villa, let alone City

Point is, Erik may not have what it takes even for an improved squad, since some of his signings have been weird, and his decisions in team selection have been weird and naive.

So #1 - squad needs fixing. #2 - maybe Erik needs to go as well. But first is way more critical
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Completely agree. But for the reasons in your second paragraph, I wouldn’t want Erik to handle #1. With a better footballing structure above him, maybe.
 
Winrar said:
Bit of a gamble since his time with Germany didn't end well, but Hansi Flick is currently available if we're looking at immediate solutions. Conte is also available with the understanding that he's a short term solution.

End of the season we could look at Xabi Alonso, or maybe even Ancelotti if Madrid poach the former. We could try ringing up Simeone or Allegri.
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Simeone, Allegri? popularly known for their pragmatic approach? I hope Manchester United next manager, players recruitment should be based on the System, philosophy and style of play they want to adopt going forward and it is worrying when names like Conte, Simeone are thrown in after it was evident that Manchester United community detest such brand of football during Jose rein. I wish United go for progressive Manager. he doesn't have to be a proven Manager. Pep did it with Barcelona, Zidane did it with Madrid. We need to develop a football structure first that will be build an environment than can enable managers to success. forget about instant success. have a version and stick to it. a three years transition period and acceptable considering where we are.
 
Amira said:
Completely agree. But for the reasons in your second paragraph, I wouldn’t want Erik to handle #1. With a better footballing structure above him, maybe.
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Fair enough
 
Ancelotti or Flick. Perhaps even Conte just to watch these bastards get ripped to pieces.

Whoever it is, it needs to be someone who is willing to do what must be done - getting rid of all the Rashys, Brunys, Scottys, Harrys, etc. To put a definitive end to this farce of a squad.
 
Ancelotti is my no1 choice and he was after Fergie. If ancelotti is available come the summer and jim wants his own man and to set up new structure etc. ancelotti might just be perfect.

It wouldn’t bother him cutting the shit, he would help a lot to change attitudes etc. with his age he probably wouldn’t be consider as long term but what he would do is set basis and identity and a standard that can be passed down so when a new manager comes in he isn’t walking into a shit show.
 
GiddyUp said:
So what. This club spend stupid money on shit players all the time. What choice did he have? It's very obvious that we are terrible at incoming and outgoing transfers. I wouldn't wish this team on any manager but he had the balls to step up and recommended the players he's familiar with. For every couple of shite selections we get a Martinez. Hojlund looks promising, Malacia has bit of bite to him and it's a big step up, for all of them. ETH deserves a chance under a different football structure other than the Glazer cnuts catching highlights and deciding on toilet paper purchasing every quarter.
We need to be a modern football club, not a base for social media influencers.
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Not sign shite players? Has anyone actually forced him into signing them?
 
If Sir Jim is wanting to go British then Potter must be on the list. Maybe even wait for Southgate next summer.
 
If we sack him then the players have power. Rather than ride it out until the summer and get rid of all the shite. ETH knows halve of these players aren’t good enough. We gonna sack every single manager when the players decide to down tools? Last season was fairly successful. Played some decent football. This season for whatever reason hasn’t gone to plan.
 
DJ_21 said:
God I hope not. I seen that he has De Zerbi on his wish list.
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Isn't De Zerbi just one of those lazy sort of appointments that could end up been a disaster? Potter looked good at Brighton too, and alot of the players look rubbish when they are taken out of the club aswell.

I've thought before that if Ten Hag went to Brighton and De Zerbi to us then the outcomes could easily have been the same.

Personally I'd rather just stick with Ten Hag, get him some proper support in place when Sir Jim takes over, and then if it's still not working we'll at least have done some proper work on who can replace him, and not just hire whoever is there at any given time.
 
No one would take the job, it’s basically a death sentence for your career with these players.

They’ll be the ones stabbing you in the back and digging your grave for you too.
 
Nail bitting decision. Could go horrendously wrong. It’s clear that the players do not want to play for Ten Hag. They also showed what they thought of our last caretaker.
 
Could we look at Ancelotti with Carrick his assistant for 3 years and then move Carrick into the main role with 3 years of wisdom from Ancelotti under his belt. Big time manager with MUFC legend and highly promising coach combination.
 
I don’t think he’ll last after the Liverpool game, sadly, really wanted it to work and for a while it looked like it might. I also agree that nothing will really change until Blanc and Mitchell (or whoever we get as a DOF) get to grips with things. But I don’t think the current squad is as bad as it looks currently either. The way he’s setting up the midfield is suicide. We’re far too open and for a club the size of United to be playing a one man Midfield because we’re hoping Mctominay crashes the box and scores is laughable.

For Bayern. I want to see an Amrabat-Mainoo-Bruno midfield. It can’t be any worse than what we’re seeing, give Bayern/Liverpool the space we’ve given Bournemouth and even Chelsea they both score 6/7.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Isn't De Zerbi just one of those lazy sort of appointments that could end up been a disaster? Potter looked good at Brighton too, and alot of the players look rubbish when they are taken out of the club aswell.

I've thought before that if Ten Hag went to Brighton and De Zerbi to us then the outcomes could easily have been the same.

Personally I'd rather just stick with Ten Hag, get him some proper support in place when Sir Jim takes over, and then if it's still not working we'll at least have done some proper work on who can replace him, and not just hire whoever is there at any given time.
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Absolutely. I agree. I wasn’t saying we should go for De Zerbi just that he was one of the names mentioned if Ratcliffe comes in. I’ve not once said ETH out. I’ve always stood by him and still do and think with a better structure and support he can still succeed.
 
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