You can make some sort of case for pretty much every single manager being mentioned, including ten Hag himself. McKenna is the name that leaps off the page though - he will almost certainly end up at Chelsea or Brighton if we don’t move for him, how galling would that be to see him succeeding at one of those while we stall under yet another European merry go round sort of manager.
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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Bayern going with kompany, makes me think they're going with McKenna. Feels like this is going to be the season of taking a punt on young managers
Yes please. Along with DNA and United way.
Or he could fail at one of those clubs. Something we’ll never know until it happens. How many times have managers jumped ship to early and failed. If he stayed at Ipswich one more year and stays in the prem then he’ll have more suitors and they’ll be less doubt on him.
He already has two of English giants vying for his signature so I don't think they have doubts about his suitability or the capability atleast not enough to dissuade them
Also I don't think he will have better options next season even if he does well for Brighton .
You cannot compare Bayern hiring Kompany to us or Chelsea going for McKenna.
They finished third and it is very likely they won’t finish below top 4 in the league so even if the Kompany experiment doesn’t work (what is what will happen I think) the damage is not that big. As long as they don’t let him spend stupid money which they normally don’t do.
We on the other hand need to get back into CL places. The PL is becoming more and more competitive and we cannot afford to fall further behind.
Nagelsmann, Alonso and some others seem to be role models for smart and young managers but I believe they are exceptional talents and most of the time modern players at the elite clubs are better led by experienced managers.
They finished third and it is very likely they won’t finish below top 4 in the league so even if the Kompany experiment doesn’t work (what is what will happen I think) the damage is not that big. As long as they don’t let him spend stupid money which they normally don’t do.
We on the other hand need to get back into CL places. The PL is becoming more and more competitive and we cannot afford to fall further behind.
Nagelsmann, Alonso and some others seem to be role models for smart and young managers but I believe they are exceptional talents and most of the time modern players at the elite clubs are better led by experienced managers.
Did Chelsea finish in 6th because of Poch or despite him being in post? For me it’s the latter. His tactical nous is simply a thing of the past.
Yes the new owners have shaken the pot massively at Chelsea but moving from a benefactor model( where if a player didn’t fit or doesn’t work out they are shipped out to a model where every player is an asset and the HC ( as opposed to a manager ) has to manage with what they are given ) was never going to be easy and whilst yours wasn’t a benefactor model I think you are already seeing the changes that Sir Jim is bringing about and will that mean Man Utd are a mess or are the inevitable changes needed going forward?
If Utd go for Poch I will be delighted he is past it his training methods will bring an inevitable increase in what was already a significant injury list at Utd but be under no illusion allowing him to sit at the top table is one thing but allowing him to make final decisions when it comes to making player choices will be a major mistake and one that I suspect Sir Jim won’t allow
The HC at Bayern is very low down in terms of the decision making process when it comes to players incomings . People overlook or just don’t realise just how many HCs there have been at Bayern in the last say 10 years indeed whoever replaces Tuchal will be their 8th
You finished 12th last season have had major injury issues and a squad of about 20 new players to try and bed in and play as a team I’d say he’s done pretty well getting 6th. It’s not been an amazing season by any means but the second half of the season you could see it starting to click.
put it this way McKenna will be completely out of his depth if appointed that’s just a disaster waiting to happen, I think you’ll appreciate the job he did when the next guy comes into a fecking circus which is much like ourselves Chelsea these days.
I agree it’s not as risky for them because of their league but let’s not overrate this league. We are in the position we are in because of poor management, that being the manager and those above him. It won’t take us long to be a top 4 club (2-3 players) we probably are already if you consider the teams above us. Liverpool will be in for a big surprise if they don’t spend well, Klopp made their team a lot better than it actually is. Spurs had the season I expected and will do exactly the same next season. Villa are going to have to balance the UCL next season which won’t be easy for them. Chelsea are the worst ran club in the top 6.
Basically I would be happy to take the risk knowing we have a team behind the manager which should make sure we have a competent summer.
Kieran McKenna isn't anywhere near best in class, so that appointment wouldn't fit the previous ones in my opinion.
Would just show they want just a coach and basically a yes man under the CEO, and Directors.
Poch isn't best in class, I think you could argue a case for Tuchel but it's not clear either.
So I don't think any of the candidates are worth changing Ten Hag for. He has brought more discipline to the squad and if more players need to go then so be it.
If the new structure are buying the players then I'd like Ten Hag be given one more season of his contract to coach the players.
Would just show they want just a coach and basically a yes man under the CEO, and Directors.
Poch isn't best in class, I think you could argue a case for Tuchel but it's not clear either.
So I don't think any of the candidates are worth changing Ten Hag for. He has brought more discipline to the squad and if more players need to go then so be it.
If the new structure are buying the players then I'd like Ten Hag be given one more season of his contract to coach the players.
I agree conceptually with what you are saying. However I'd flip it slightly and say given his inexperience in management, he does understand the pressure that comes with the United job, which is not a reason to hire and not a certainty that he will adapt but it could be an advantage.
I also think that he may have a point of view on what has not worked at United over the years and and maybe has ideas for change already which could put him ahead of another manager who would be going into United with fresh eyes, which is also not a bad thing.
I wouldn't rule out the reasoning about knowing certain things but where I agree with you is what does it actually mean and how would it help United.
It’s too soon for McKenna to go to United. Brighton is the sensible pick. A good step up from Ipswich, with quality players and a good footballing set up. A competent manager has every opportunity to shine there but without crazy expectations of where they should finish in the table. Chelsea and United are messy at the moment and his CV could end up being collateral.
I think we need short term control while the backroom staff set up materialises and beds in. I’d have Tuchel now just for his pedigree
I think we need short term control while the backroom staff set up materialises and beds in. I’d have Tuchel now just for his pedigree
That's framed very much from a neutral perspective for Bayern and a fan perspective for United. I doubt Bayern fans would be happy if they repeated a 3rd place league finish under Kompany next season. This season was the first time in 12 years they haven't won the league.
A neutral fan could make the same argument that the league position can't exactly get worse for United with McKenna. That still wouldn't make a 7th place finish next season acceptable.
Kompany also has a lower ceiling as a coach than McKenna (not that the latter comes without risk either). Kompany did a fairly average job at Anderlecht, got Burnley promoted, spent around £100m, refused to change their style and got relegated as a consequence. I honestly don't understand the fascination.
Bayern usually has three domestic options to win a title (league, cup, supercup) and the CL. In the last two seasons Bayern won only two of eight (last season supercup and league). This season they didn't even qualify for the supercup, so next season they will only have three chances. Bayern's expectation reasonably is to win about half the titles they can win. Bouncing back with a domestic double will be the minimum expectation, and considering that the CL final next season will be played in München they will be interested in getting there as well, obviously.
There will be a lot of pressure on Kompany from day one.
'Best in class' managers almost certainly won't come here. They will have better options. Waiting for one will inevitably end up in disappointment as we throw away seasons for no reason.
We need to get our shit sorted and get ourselves back near the top of the tree before proven 'best in class' managers will come here. Yes the changes throughout the rest of the structure is obviously a huge part of that, but getting the structure on the field right is also a big part. Sticking with a failing manager is hobbling ourselves, especially when that manager is the single biggest reason we had such an incredible failure of a season. Every Tom, Dick and Harry could tell from preseason that his new tactics and formation wouldn't work, yet he kept at it for the entire season until the last three games and every criticism that was put forward unsurprisingly came to pass.
It's also worth noting that things got worse in the second half of the season when ETH had more time to coach the players and we got many of our injured players back for a while (although obviously over the last month or so we lost them all again).
A yes man?
Hello Goldbridge.
We aren't being run by the Glazers anymore why would they want a yes man?
United much like Chelsea Arsenal etc are far too large to be run by any one "manager" that style of football club is on the way out for sporting academy style set ups with a head coach and team around him to make signings and run aspects of the team he shouldn't be involved with. His specialty should be boots on te grass football not boardroom or financial decisions.
He will have a say in the players he needs but the overall club will have a playing style and be aligned on a philosophy it won't come from one singular massiaha this ain't the fergie or wenger days.
Pep and Klopp have been proponents of that structure in their clubs they don't run the place they are coaches in a wider set up but have a heavy influence due to their proven track record and it just so happens their philosophy and coaching style match that of the club's visions.
We've only just got people in that realise that and in time we will likely have multiple coaches and we won't be shy in replacing the ones that aren't able to mat h the club vision.
I welcome it and the old school manager style and manager driving the structure of a club is long long long gone.
We are a sporting institute we're not a vehicle to massage managers philosophies and ideas.
Long may we evolve into the modern decade.
That supposed 4 man shortlist doesn't really scream "we know what type of manager we want".
We did indeed finish 12 th last year it is thought by many that many of this season’s injuries were down to his training methods , it’s worth reading the article in the athletic
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/55...freedailyemail&campaign=711528&userId=5488569
On the contrary if it's an actual shortlist they definitely know what they are looking for because apart from Tuchel there are three coaches who are pretty similar in their approach .
Fair enough, maybe I don't know enough about their approaches. Tuchel definitely feels like an outlier though.
Tuchel famously doesnt want anything to do with the signing of players, he has often said and it has been reported that he considers himself a coach first and manager second.
Unfortunately for him , he has been often tainted and put into the same bracket as Jose and Conte, but realistically he wants to coach the team and leave the sigings to the experts in the club. He was asked to get involved at PSG and Chelsea, he probably was also tasked with sorting the mess out at Bayern.
So he is very much in line with Frank, McKenna and others that are considered coaches first. The key difference is hes won leagues and cups.
He is a very strong candidate, some would argue the strongest.
“Anyone but Ten Hag” was the vibe
Best in class managers want best in class funds and best in class trophies. They’re not going to put their best in class career on hold for a few seasons and destroy their best in class trophy streak to manager a project that could essentially ruin their best in class status. Best in class managers join best in class teams that allow them to continue winning titles and the CL. We’re not at that point and luring a manager in who thinks we are would just be toxic for all involved.
To be frank the number of failed managers isn't lower at United.
Moyes, Giggs, LvG, Mourinho, Ole, Carrick, Rangnick and ETH compared to
Pep, Ancelotti, Heynckes, Kovac, Flick, Nagelsmann, Tuchel. Where at Bayern 3 coaches, Flick, Pep and Heynckes, actually decided to leave or not extend their contracts.
He was part of their transfer task force. The people responsible for actually negotiating the deals made a horrible mess of last summer and failed to get the transfers done they all agreed upon. Tuchel being unhappy about that definitely was the starting point for the break with the board that lead to him being sacked.
Yeah thats my point, I think it was rumoured for a while that he didnt want to be part of the task force and to focus on coaching the players they provided, to be honest I would expect a club of Bayerns size and reputation to be hiring coaches just like Madrid, Barca, City have been doing so for the last decade.
I think we need to choose between two directions:
Either, we choose someone like McKenna, and create a clean slate for him to work under by overhauling the squad and add young and hungry players that suits his style. Similar to what Arsenal have done with Arteta.
Or, we go with a proven, authoritative and respected figure, that can turn this team around in terms of belief in the project, confidence and pride of playing for the club. Ancelotti, Zidane and (maybe) Tuchel comes to mind. Like Liverpool and City has done with Klopp and Pep.
Both options would obviously require big investments, and I can't find out which direction would be best for establishing the right culture in the team.
Either, we choose someone like McKenna, and create a clean slate for him to work under by overhauling the squad and add young and hungry players that suits his style. Similar to what Arsenal have done with Arteta.
Or, we go with a proven, authoritative and respected figure, that can turn this team around in terms of belief in the project, confidence and pride of playing for the club. Ancelotti, Zidane and (maybe) Tuchel comes to mind. Like Liverpool and City has done with Klopp and Pep.
Both options would obviously require big investments, and I can't find out which direction would be best for establishing the right culture in the team.
True. Plus theirs a few big teams currently without a manager. Theirs also a few half decent managers without clubs. So if we’re looking to move on then we’ll have to approach them quickly or lose out.
If we seriously want to consider that direction, that "maybe" before Tuchel becomes very much not "maybe" since neither Ancelotti nor Zidane are possible..
I hope for either De Zerbi or McKenna.
I'd be happy with either.
I definitely don't want Pochettino or Tuchel(but I'd rather Tuchel than Pochettino).
I'd be happy with either.
I definitely don't want Pochettino or Tuchel(but I'd rather Tuchel than Pochettino).
It was more in line with how these coaches want their team to play .
But don't agree with your description of Tuchel at all he may not argue about specific names but he absolutely wants to drive the recruitment process in terms of profiles and doesn't mince words if he cant get what he wants .
Goldbridge finally admitting hes gone.
Said in his morning update hes heard what I told you guys weeks if not months ago.
Mutual Agreement, already prepared, will likely speak at the final.
Say what you like about TUS but they do have legit sources at the club that they have amassed.
Said in his morning update hes heard what I told you guys weeks if not months ago.
Mutual Agreement, already prepared, will likely speak at the final.
Say what you like about TUS but they do have legit sources at the club that they have amassed.
I mean there are many reports to the contrary.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...s-on-coaching-instead-of-transfers-at-chelsea
But imagine theres some truth in the middle.
That's what Bayern usually do. Problem simply was that summer they had just fired Kahn and Salihamidzic and needed people to step up to fill that gap. Hasn't worked that well as this season proved.
McKenna reported by The Athletic now
Poch would jump at the chance to join United. I think Tuchel and McKenna would opt for the United job over Chelsea too. There are too many rumours and quite a few many available/obtainable candidates.
If Tuchel was staying at Bayern and Poch at Chelsea, perhaps the club might have been more cautious and continued with ETH but they can't use the excuse that there aren't any options available.
If Tuchel was staying at Bayern and Poch at Chelsea, perhaps the club might have been more cautious and continued with ETH but they can't use the excuse that there aren't any options available.
I can't believe it, but I think we're going to go for McKenna 
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