If you were in a similar position, would you reject them ?
Don't get me wrong I know where you and others are coming from but this is a potential once in a lifetime opportunity.
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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Don't get me wrong I know where you and others are coming from but this is a potential once in a lifetime opportunity.
He seems to want to keep Gallagher and Chalobah as they work in his system and maintain a homegrown core. Likely wants to move away from Sterling, Fernandez and maybe Nkunku as they don’t fit the team beginning to form and probably also wants specific positions improving.
All with the aim of improving a team that had begun to gel.
Seems quite reasonable to me.
Finally, the top 3 bookies odds are Pochettino, McKenna and De Zebri. No more Southgate bs. Tuchel also seems to drop to 4th or 5th.
I have a strong feeling that it will be De Zebri with the "maximum confidentiality" rumours.
I have a strong feeling that it will be De Zebri with the "maximum confidentiality" rumours.
Agreed. You need to be hyper competitive to be involved in professional sports and these people always back themselves. If I were in McKenna's shoes, i'd first try and negotiate an agreement to join next summer after ETH finishes his contract, but if that was off the cards...i'd just take the job.
I think Ronald Koeman won this trophy as well. Maybe we can coax him after the Euros.
Nagelsmann rejected Madrid for Leipzig because he felt he wasn't ready
Tuchel or McKenna for me.
Not a big fan of De Zerbi.
Please not Pochettino!
Not a big fan of De Zerbi.
Please not Pochettino!
True hopefully.
Don't buy it at all. It's been common knowledge he's leaving Bayern for months now, we would've wrapped it up by the now if we were going that route. Instead, he's been doing u-turns on talks with Bayern etc.
Not sure there is any real front runner, each option has their positives and negatives.
It would be nice to see a manager on the up in McKenna, but we went that way with ETH and that didn’t work out.
Tuchel and Poch feel like managers whose careers have stagnated, similar to when we took on LVG and Mourinho, but they have a lot of experience with high profile players and clubs in their favour.
Tough decision.
It would be nice to see a manager on the up in McKenna, but we went that way with ETH and that didn’t work out.
Tuchel and Poch feel like managers whose careers have stagnated, similar to when we took on LVG and Mourinho, but they have a lot of experience with high profile players and clubs in their favour.
Tough decision.
literally anyone but the manager who has guided us to 8th place, an inordinate amount of defeats, an setup that allows a stupid amount of shots and that would have a proper u-18 midfield have success probably.
We couldn't have wrapped it up for months though. If we were waiting for a non champs league placing to sack Ten Hag (as we do with managers) then we had to wait.
I suspect we'll have arranged it with whoever in principle a while back but we can't go public or Ten Hag would sue for more compensation.
If there's one thing we've learned from LVG, Jose, Ole and ETH is that to be a successful United manager you must have modern coaching AND a massive personality/authority. Both LVG and Jose had the latter but not the former and both ETH and Ole had some of the former but not the latter.
The difficult thing about all the options out there is they've question marks on both fronts. Tuchel and McKenna I am unsure if they've the authority for it. RDZ has the personality but there's question marks over whether he can break a low block down. Pochettino has the authority but not the coaching.
The difficult thing about all the options out there is they've question marks on both fronts. Tuchel and McKenna I am unsure if they've the authority for it. RDZ has the personality but there's question marks over whether he can break a low block down. Pochettino has the authority but not the coaching.
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Tuchel has my vote because he is one of the best tacticians in the world. Authority is definitely not an issue, if anything he can be a bit too authoritative and I think it caused some problems with some of the Bayern old guard. However, I do think our players can appreciate a good tactical mind, and would respect him for at least a couple of years. I'd take him over Poch as long as either comes with a get out clause in the contract.
Maybe authority was the wrong word. Perhaps charisma. I feel like you need to be an exceptional leader to manage United. Like Jose, Ancelotti, Klopp, Pep or Conte in his prime. Is Tuchel as great a leader as them? Probably not. I do think he is the best option though, you are right.
Jackson also says that McKenna, Frank, Southgate and Pochettino are on the shortlist.
The great thing about the current situation is that Barcelona, Liverpool and maybe Bayern have all hired coaches that aren't even up for discussion with us. I include Bayern as they're not linked with anyone that we are supposedly interested in.
We've effectively been given a clear run at all of these managers, alongside Chelsea. It couldn't have gone much better. And depending on who Milan and Juve go for, Motta could still be on the table also.
We've effectively been given a clear run at all of these managers, alongside Chelsea. It couldn't have gone much better. And depending on who Milan and Juve go for, Motta could still be on the table also.
Romano says motta to juve is sealed.
That says more about Ten Hag if he is even worse than a well recognized Dutch flop.
I think Ronald Koeman won this trophy as well. Maybe we can coax him after the Euros.
What about Ten Hag? We're talking about Pochettino.
Ten Hag has shat the bed. Doesn't mean we should replace him with someone who has proven himself to be mediocre at the top level.
I'm in the same position as you though I'd pick Tuchel. The idea of McKenna going to Chelsea does make me nervous for a couple of reasons. If he's a success we'd have missed out and if he does badly then he may have ruined his chances to come to United in the near future and it could cause his derail his ascent as a manager. It's not a logical reason for United to go for him but I just don't want him to go to Chelsea.
I have decided that I don't really mind as long as somebody replaces him.
ETHs errors have been:-
1) Some awful purchases that he drove - think Antony
2) Continuing to play players who were awful and under performing
3) Continuing with tactics that involved no midfield that clearly didn't work.
None of these major flaws are injury related - they are just plain stupidity.
Sir David Brailsford talks about incremental gains. We probably are not going to find the next SAF or our Pep our Klopp within the next few weeks, but just about anybody would represent an incremental gain compared to the unfortunate disaster that ETH has been. The errors listed above clearly indicate he is not the man for the job. So let's move on and select a new manager, and whilst I have preferences or people I would kind of rather not have, I am confident that it would be hard to select somebody who would not represent an incremental gain, whilst we look for the ultimate solution.
ETHs errors have been:-
1) Some awful purchases that he drove - think Antony
2) Continuing to play players who were awful and under performing
3) Continuing with tactics that involved no midfield that clearly didn't work.
None of these major flaws are injury related - they are just plain stupidity.
Sir David Brailsford talks about incremental gains. We probably are not going to find the next SAF or our Pep our Klopp within the next few weeks, but just about anybody would represent an incremental gain compared to the unfortunate disaster that ETH has been. The errors listed above clearly indicate he is not the man for the job. So let's move on and select a new manager, and whilst I have preferences or people I would kind of rather not have, I am confident that it would be hard to select somebody who would not represent an incremental gain, whilst we look for the ultimate solution.
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McKenna isnt qualified for this job and I doubt he would be able to command the respect of the players, dont forget some of the players who forced him to leave last time and laughed at his training sessions are still here.
I think the focus under INEOS has changed to building a world class organization. Finding a savior or the next SAF is very difficult. I think they are looking at the Real Madrid model where you use your superior revenues to buy top young players and have top coaches / managers develop the talent and win trophies. The managers don’t last long because it is a high pressure job, but the base of talent is always there.
Fingers crossed…
I'd be very happy to take a chance on Mckenna within a new structure.
We have tried everything else at this point, why not try the up and comer who has never put a foot wrong in Limited experience
We have tried everything else at this point, why not try the up and comer who has never put a foot wrong in Limited experience
Bet ETH feels great about his future at the club now.
Was Pep qualified for Barca, Alonso for Leverkusen and I'm sure other examples? Sometimes you just see potential and risk it. I might need someone to remind me of how he left, I thought he just took the Ipswich job no? Not sure anyone forced hiim to leave, regardless its what only a handful now Bruno, Dalot, Shaw, Maguire, McSauce, Rashford and AWB is it? I'd bet some of these will be sold anyway. Maybe they don't respect him but they'll respect Ineos, Berrada and the team around them, if they don't goodbye.
As McKenna is a boyhood MUFC fan this would be an easy win for us if we went for it
If EtH is to be replaced, I'd rather give McKenna a chance rather than any of: De Zerbi, Poch or Tuchel.
A huge success story at Ipswich, presented with the Manager of the Year award by SAF and of course, formerly a United coach. Seems a decent match.
A huge success story at Ipswich, presented with the Manager of the Year award by SAF and of course, formerly a United coach. Seems a decent match.
Rangnick and United wanted to keep him, McKenna decided it was time to leave and start his managerial career.
Yeah, he's our new boss.
Nothing could dent that arrogance
Also got quite the history with us so he would know the ins and outs of the club alteady
Must say, fair play to him for working his way up into a position where he's considered a credible candidate for a host of top PL jobs, not including Brighton, off the back of years of grinding and a terrific season in the Championship.
Takes some fortitude taking a risk and betting on yourself and your abilities like that. Think he's got the mental makeup/aptitude for a big job like United personally.
Yeah, I'm not sure about this one. He's done a fantastic job at Ipswich but things can change very quickly and I'm not being funny, managers from the UK are not exactly renowned for being the best around either.
I do like how he 's worked under so many of our previous managers and if you're looking for long term then he's probably a good candidate for that, but it does feel a bit too soon. Will back him if we do go for him though.
I do like how he 's worked under so many of our previous managers and if you're looking for long term then he's probably a good candidate for that, but it does feel a bit too soon. Will back him if we do go for him though.
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