Who replaces Ten Hag?

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If we don't replace him and start a rebuild with the worst manager we've had since moyes then our new fancy structure counts for nothing. It is just clear as day they need a new manager in place before they start spending money, or it sets us back years again
 
LawCharltonBest said:
But how does it separate him from all the other managers who have done that?

How does it separate him from treble winner Luis Enrique or the manager who won 3 Champions League’s in a row, Zidane?
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Enrique at PSG seems mediocre no? And Zidane wants the France job after summer
 
Crashoutcassius said:
If we don't replace him and start a rebuild with the worst manager we've had since moyes then our new fancy structure counts for nothing. It is just clear as day they need a new manager in place before they start spending money, or it sets us back years again
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Some players need to go before Ten Hag. Otherwise we will be saying the same thing in a couple years again
 
King7Eric said:
Posted this in the ETH thread but I would strongly look at McKenna. For me a manager's biggest ability should be getting players to consistently over perform and he's done at over the last 1.5 years with Ipswich.

He's not a big name, but he knows most of the players from his time at Utd and should be able to command their respect. In any case, some of the "bigger names" like Casem, Varane, Rashford etc really need to be moved on.

As a coach, McKenna was extremely highly rated, and now we are looking for essentially a head coach, since Ineos should ideally take care of the rest of the "managerial" responsibilities through Ashworth and others.

It would be a massive risk, more for McKenna than us, but I hope this is something we consider.
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If you talk yourself into any name enough, you can fool yourself into thinking it’s a good idea

No chance he’s ready for United yet, whatever way you spin it. Even if we look beyond the obvious reasons like his lack of experience, United need to be making the absolute best appointment possible who has experience managing an elite club.

United also need a huge rebuild under Ineos. This isn’t like Guardiola getting the Barca job

I would like to see McKenna managing in the PL next season
 
Escobar said:
Enrique at PSG seems mediocre no? And Zidane wants the France job after summer
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Mediocre? How? What could he have done differently? He’s got a new, much younger squad than they’ve had previously too.

Who would you go for then?

Zidane - haven’t heard that about the France job. Can’t assume that. He’s worth speaking to ahead of Nagelsmann imo
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Mediocre? How? What could he have done differently? He’s got a new, much younger squad than they’ve had previously too.

Who would you go for then?

Zidane - haven’t heard that about the France job. Can’t assume that. He’s worth speaking to ahead of Nagelsmann imo
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That is a fair opinion but I would assume if Zidane is not mentioned as a candidate for a job it is because he has been spoken to and has declined.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
If you talk yourself into any name enough, you can fool yourself into thinking it’s a good idea

No chance he’s ready for United yet, whatever way you spin it. Even if we look beyond the obvious reasons like his lack of experience, United need to be making the absolute best appointment possible who has experience managing an elite club.

United also need a huge rebuild under Ineos. This isn’t like Guardiola getting the Barca job

I would like to see McKenna managing in the PL next season
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Yes McKenna needs to have managed at a higher level first to see if he can cut it. Kompany was getting rave reviews last season now look where he is.
 
AneRu said:
Right on. My order of preference would be;
1. Nagelsmann/Simeone Inzarghi (understand he is not available)
2. Amorim
3. Thiago Motta/Mckenna

McKenna has been here before and, with time, could build a cohesive team if he can impose his style. To support him we need a preemptive strike on all the senior players bar Maguire and possibly Shaw. Remove the would be dissenters before the team hits a tough patch, sign young technical players with a dose of physicality and then look away. Aterta was finishing 8th but he was allowed to continue building.
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My favorite was Inzaghi. The guy has

a- ample experience to punch above his weight with difficult clubs on shoestring budgets
b- his game is quite versatile and will surely accommodate our flawed squad better then ETH's system
c- he can work with players many consider to be finished (Darmian, Sanchez, Mkhitaryan)
d- he'll surely adapt to an INEOS like setup having worked with one since the beginning of time.
e- he's a great man manager
f- he's a relatively a big name manager at this point

However Inzaghi comes with his set of weaknesses

a- he doesn't speak English
b- he probably would want to assess each and every player we've got before selling
c- he has no experience in the EPL and will probably underrate its physicality and tempo(most managers do that)
d- most managers have huge egos. Its part of the job. Thus he'll probably disregard any talks of backstabbing from the player's side as simply bad management from the previous manager.

Mckenna is nowhere near the name Inzaghi has. However he's got a big chunk of his pluses and most of his minuses as well. On top of that he's very aware which players tend to down tools when things doesn't go their way. Let's not forget the numerous leaks about Ole's allegedly poor training regime something Mckenna was ridiculed for. Turned out that these players hate every training style that made them sweat too much (Rangnick's and ETH's). To quote GOT, hopefully Mckenna will send his regards

Providing that we're really diluting the job to a head coach position then Mckenna is swiftly becoming my first option.
 
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Syphon Wallet said:
Got a source for any of that?
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Nope. As I said, it is my assumption.
Based on that we know that he has declined the Utd job before, we know that he is wary of managing in England, we know that he is picky about his work (since he never took another job except Real, not even at PSG or Juventus). It has been almost three years since he left Real, we have to assume he is often approached, we have to assume he had several top club offers, and since he never takes a job it is a fair to assume he regularly declines offers, no?
 
Whoever replaces him will be stuck with Rashfrod, Bruno, Shaw and the rest of the bottlers. The rot has truly been set in and you can't keep giving chances to the same people than continue to fail under every manager. It's over.

Rangnick was right, we needed a complete overhaul. The Glazers' stooges chose the safer/cheaper option and United will continue to pay the price for many years to come.

Rashford, Bruno, Shaw, McT, Dalot, Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Lindelof, Casemiro, Varane, Martial, Sancho should be sold immediately. We need a complete reset.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
If you talk yourself into any name enough, you can fool yourself into thinking it’s a good idea

No chance he’s ready for United yet, whatever way you spin it. Even if we look beyond the obvious reasons like his lack of experience, United need to be making the absolute best appointment possible who has experience managing an elite club.

United also need a huge rebuild under Ineos. This isn’t like Guardiola getting the Barca job

I would like to see McKenna managing in the PL next season
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As it turned out neither Moyes (after years of managing in the PL) nor ETH ( winning league titles with Ajax) were ready for United.

If anything Ole with nowhere near these credentials turned out to be better ( not that I'm saying he was a success, but I'd say he was better than these two).

We will never know how someone is going to perform as our manager until they take the job. All the available managers with elite club experience ( Nagelsmann, Tuchel, Potter etc) weren't exactly major successes. Yes Tuchel won the CL, but his time at Bayern has been a disaster. Also, they will most likely demand as much a say in overall running of football matters at the club as our recent managers have had. It seems Ineos want to move away from this structure so what we really need is a young, up and coming head coach.

There is no guarantee McKenna will succeed, and of course he isn't ready, but I would argue, for a job like Man Utd, you are never ready until you take it up.
 
King7Eric said:
As it turned out neither Moyes (after years of managing in the PL) nor ETH ( winning league titles with Ajax) were ready for United.

If anything Ole with nowhere near these credentials turned out to be better ( not that I'm saying he was a success, but I'd say he was better than these two).

We will never know how someone is going to perform as our manager until they take the job. All the available managers with elite club experience ( Nagelsmann, Tuchel, Potter etc) weren't exactly major successes. Yes Tuchel won the CL, but his time at Bayern has been a disaster. Also, they will most likely demand as much a say in overall running of football matters at the club as our recent managers have had. It seems Ineos want to move away from this structure so what we really need is a young, up and coming head coach.

There is no guarantee McKenna will succeed, and of course he isn't ready, but I would argue, for a job like Man Utd, you are never ready until you take it up.
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A young coach like McKenna could only succeed if he builds a squad himself, from the ground up. Hard working, hungry players - the right mentality. For that to happen we need a clear out.
 
FreakyJim said:
A young coach like McKenna could only succeed if he builds a squad himself, from the ground up. Hard working, hungry players - the right mentality. For that to happen we need a clear out.
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Agreed. Varane, Casemiro, Rashford at least need to be shipped out. Though it is unlikely we'll let Rashford go.
 
I don't get why it needs to be some huge decision that requires picking from a small pool of household names.

With this new structure everyone has been desperate to see introduced, it'll mean succession from one manager to the next should cause minimal disturbance as the manager won't have built the team to their own style, and implemented whole new internal processes that radically change club operations. They'll be working with what they've got and focusing on coaching the first team.

Whats the harm of hiring McKenna, Potter, or some unknown fecker managing a team of donkeys in the middle of nowhere, if we hand out a 2 year contract and can easily sack them and move into the next one if things don't work out?

Seems to me the the biggest hurdle is getting the mindset of the fanbase to change from one that clamour for the next Ferguson, to one that accepts a manager is disposable, and actually they'll only get time if they deserve it, not based on dreams and blind faith
 
King7Eric said:
Posted this in the ETH thread but I would strongly look at McKenna. For me a manager's biggest ability should be getting players to consistently over perform and he's done at over the last 1.5 years with Ipswich.

He's not a big name, but he knows most of the players from his time at Utd and should be able to command their respect. In any case, some of the "bigger names" like Casem, Varane, Rashford etc really need to be moved on.

As a coach, McKenna was extremely highly rated, and now we are looking for essentially a head coach, since Ineos should ideally take care of the rest of the "managerial" responsibilities through Ashworth and others.

It would be a massive risk, more for McKenna than us, but I hope this is something we consider.
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Honestly, with the current group of players the bolded is probably a bad thing. He was part of a coaching group that the players seemed to stop playing for, and while he certainly wasn't the main man he is likely tarred with that brush to some extent.

The hope is that he gets Ipswich promoted, and then over the next few years does well enough that he either cements them in at least mid-table or (perhaps more likely) gets head-hunted by a team like Brighton, Villa or West Ham who have the set-up where he could push for European spots. If that works out, then maybe in 3-5 years he can come back here to a near new dressing room.
 
LordSpud said:
Some players need to go before Ten Hag. Otherwise we will be saying the same thing in a couple years again
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Why not both? The key aspect of our new footballing structure should be that player decisions aren't made by the manager. Obviously they should have some influence on it, but if the footballing board decide a player needs to go they can do that at the same time as a managerial change.
 
AneRu said:
Right on. My order of preference would be;
1. Nagelsmann/Simeone Inzarghi (understand he is not available)
2. Amorim
3. Thiago Motta/Mckenna

McKenna has been here before and, with time, could build a cohesive team if he can impose his style. To support him we need a preemptive strike on all the senior players bar Maguire and possibly Shaw. Remove the would be dissenters before the team hits a tough patch, sign young technical players with a dose of physicality and then look away. Aterta was finishing 8th but he was allowed to continue building.
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I'd be ok with any of these. Although with McKenna I fear he'd pick some of the guys purely because of the reason you mentioned. He knows them. You think he'd have the balls to sit Rashford on the bench?
 
I wouldn’t mind Nagelsmann if he has matured a bit more now. My view of him in previous games I’ve seen with all of his clubs is he is clearly a talented manager with good ideas but he seems too keen to prove he’s a tactical master.

He had two performances at the opposite end of the spectrum when we played his RBL team in the CL. The first game he employed the most ridiculous high line that played into our hands and we won 5-0 with Rashford feasting in behind, that was also the game he wore that embarrassing suit. The second game away they absolutely destroyed us with fast paced football mixed with control it was great to see.

Also remember watching his Hoffenheim team and couldn’t believe how well he had them passing the ball.

He clearly has pedigree but the PL is not the place for a manager who likes to unnecessarily complicate things as it will cost you points, especially if you aren’t Man City. Hopefully his international spell and getting older adds a bit more pragmatism to his style.
 
Most likely this would not be feasible but why not Simeone? I could he him here. Does he speak English?
 
Godfather said:
I'd be ok with any of these. Although with McKenna I fear he'd pick some of the guys purely because of the reason you mentioned. He knows them. You think he'd have the balls to sit Rashford on the bench?
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During his time at Utd, McKenna had bit of a reputation as being too hard of a taskmaster. I don't think a lack of balls on his part is going to be an issue.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
But how does it separate him from all the other managers who have done that?

How does it separate him from treble winner Luis Enrique or the manager who won 3 Champions League’s in a row, Zidane?
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By being potentially available (which is not the case with Enrique) and potentially willing to come (not the case with Zidane).
 
AneRu said:
By being potentially available (which is not the case with Enrique) and potentially willing to come (not the case with Zidane).
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But that’s just guessing. You don’t know that Enrique and Zidane wouldn’t come. You also don’t know if Nagelsmann would or not.

Personally I think if Ineos and Berrada went for Enrique or Zidane, they could get them

I also think Nagelsmann is extremely overrated. If United sack Ten Hag, then Nagelsmann wins the World Cup I can accept it more if they then approach him. But at the moment he’s done dick all
 
De Zerbi. What he’s doing at Brighton with limited resources deserves far more attention and respect. IMO should be top of the list to replace ten Hag.
 
More I think about this the only reason I can see them going for Southgate is if they think it’s going to take a few years to overhaul the squad. The one thing he was seemingly good at with England is diplomacy and getting the players to buy into his vibes. It’s thin gruel, but it is the only feasible reason I could see.

Southgate in for a couple of seasons to give the club a likeable air, and put some lipstick on the pig until we overhaul the squad and bring in someone to win trophies. It could realistically take 3 years to get rid of the bad attitude around the place and bringing in a nagelsmann or similar who want to do it quickly might not work out. We need to fix the club top to bottom and the hardest thing to fix will be the playing staff.
 
We just need a proper coach. I would be fine with Ten Hag carrying on if a style was being aimed for but he has lost himself which is a real shame and something which in the future he will come to regret.
 
Zoo said:
We just need a proper coach. I would be fine with Ten Hag carrying on if a style was being aimed for but he has lost himself which is a real shame and something which in the future he will come to regret.
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Absolutely, that raises the question how much of what he did at Ajax down to the club and the quality of that league. He just shows lack of conviction in his own principles
 
It might actually be a good move to get Carrick back in with Fletcher as his assistant.
 
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devilish said:
My favorite was Inzaghi. The guy has

a- ample experience to punch above his weight with difficult clubs on shoestring budgets
b- his game is quite versatile and will surely accommodate our flawed squad better then ETH's system
c- he can work with players many consider to be finished (Darmian, Sanchez, Mkhitaryan)
d- he'll surely adapt to an INEOS like setup having worked with one since the beginning of time.
e- he's a great man manager
f- he's a relatively a big name manager at this point

However Inzaghi comes with his set of weaknesses

a- he doesn't speak English
b- he probably would want to assess each and every player we've got before selling
c- he has no experience in the EPL and will probably underrate its physicality and tempo(most managers do that)
d- most managers have huge egos. Its part of the job. Thus he'll probably disregard any talks of backstabbing from the player's side as simply bad management from the previous manager.

Mckenna is nowhere near the name Inzaghi has. However he's got a big chunk of his pluses and most of his minuses as well. On top of that he's very aware which players tend to down tools when things doesn't go their way. Let's not forget the numerous leaks about Ole's allegedly poor training regime something Mckenna was ridiculed for. Turned out that these players hate every training style that made them sweat too much (Rangnick's and ETH's). To quote GOT, hopefully Mckenna will send his regards

Providing that we're really diluting the job to a head coach position then Mckenna is swiftly becoming my first option.
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Yes. I'm so impressed every time I watch Inter, they play great football.
He had Lazio playing some good stuff as well.

If the language barrier wasn't an issue he would be a brilliant choice.

He has some proper warriors on that Inter team though. I'm not sure if he, or anyone, would get a tune out of our lot. If we had patience with him for two summer windows he could bring in the players he needs
 
Absolutely no links, but I would like to see Thiago Motta given a try. The likes of Rashford and Bruno shipped out and a new focus on players that are comfortable in possession.

I think he could instill a philosophy and is young enough now that his best years are ahead of him. I feel he has the potential to grow into a really top class coach and would like to see us take a chance on someone who isn’t over 50.
 
pocco said:
He's easily the best candidate. Ticks every box, the only issue being the potential language barrier. However, if he is actually able to speak English, or could learn it, then he's the best choice.
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He’s got the charisma. Some folks here did complain he’s defensive coach and that was the case in the past. However I did watch couple of games and they played quite offensive tbh. Not sure if that’s the case for whole season but it was entertaining.
 
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