Mark Ogden. Take it with a huge pinch of salt.
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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Better pray for de Zerbi if that is the shortlist 
Oh well if you are on the record
We got battered and won a lucky penalty shoot out he did not beat De zerbie in 90 or 120 minutes !!
Also, the manager salary for a mid table team versus Man United is a huge difference. De Zerbi is making 1.5m/yr, ETH 9.5m per year…
The Caf really needs to understand that money talks.
Mark Ogden.. at the end goes on to say other managers are also looked at. It's just clickbait crap.
Anyone, but ETH.
I prefer Zidane.
I prefer Zidane.
Terrible attitude.
There's no point in changing ETH for changes sake.
Change ETH if there is someone that can potentially change united into a title winning side.
Potter, Southgate and De Zerbi for example have shown nothing to suggest they can manage a club like united.
Our next appointment needs to be the right one or we might as well write off the next 2/3 years and then the cycle repeats.
Now if someone on the level of ancellotte becomes available then that's different.
But just changing the manager for any old manager just so it's ETH is gone is a terrible idea and hope INEOS don't have an Outlook that comes close to that attitude
Ogdens a clown. Throwing Southgate’s name in there because he knows Utd fans will lose their shit and it will maximise clicks. Best left ignored.
The managers mentioned worse than Ten Hag is Southgate. Makes De Zerbi look world class
I am surprised there's such a strong dismissal of De Zerbi, understandably there are flaws however I don't think a perfect candidate exists, so the club will have to make a calculated risk and there's much going in his favor from a coaching perspective and how palatable it is being able to transition over to the club (league experience is essential in this regard).
I don't think credentials stand for much as very few managers have shown competitive success with a club that's historically as big as United. So the question should be which manager should the club target to build a well-grounded future with.
Ole's interview provided great insight, he mentioned his ultimate struggle was for United to step up and become a more dominant team in the bigger games. This is where every manager unequivocally has failed since SAF retired (including the current), being unable to establish a foundation of imposing a front foot approach against the best opposition.
It's for this same reason I believe someone like Postecoglou is backable as a manager because his philosophy is assertive. You can easily get behind his prerogative as a manager and with the inclusion of resources it should pay dividends. I'm not saying the club should target the specific individual but rather to follow a similar blueprint and find qualities in a manager that presents itself as being sustainable in the long run.
What we are seeing with every manager post SAF is volatility and rigidness in consistency, because none have done anything to address being sustainable. I respect Solslkjaer for ultimately seeing the difference between the gap and the gain, but he didn't possess the managerial capacity to overstep the mark. There is a very finite area of managers in that space of superimposing their will, but De Zerbi does show evidence of it.
I don't think credentials stand for much as very few managers have shown competitive success with a club that's historically as big as United. So the question should be which manager should the club target to build a well-grounded future with.
Ole's interview provided great insight, he mentioned his ultimate struggle was for United to step up and become a more dominant team in the bigger games. This is where every manager unequivocally has failed since SAF retired (including the current), being unable to establish a foundation of imposing a front foot approach against the best opposition.
It's for this same reason I believe someone like Postecoglou is backable as a manager because his philosophy is assertive. You can easily get behind his prerogative as a manager and with the inclusion of resources it should pay dividends. I'm not saying the club should target the specific individual but rather to follow a similar blueprint and find qualities in a manager that presents itself as being sustainable in the long run.
What we are seeing with every manager post SAF is volatility and rigidness in consistency, because none have done anything to address being sustainable. I respect Solslkjaer for ultimately seeing the difference between the gap and the gain, but he didn't possess the managerial capacity to overstep the mark. There is a very finite area of managers in that space of superimposing their will, but De Zerbi does show evidence of it.
Southgate would be the Mason Mount of managers.
Definitely stick with Ten Hag if they’re the options but I don’t believe that would be the case if Ineos are serious about becoming champions again
Definitely stick with Ten Hag if they’re the options but I don’t believe that would be the case if Ineos are serious about becoming champions again
If that is the list, then bring back Ed Woodward.
Thought I'd never feel more sick than reading a link between United and Bodgers, but the Potter and Southgate links are actually most gross.
I'd rather give it to steve mclaren for a year.
I'd rather give it to steve mclaren for a year.
Southgate
My first choice would be Inzaghi but I really like Amorim aswell.
There is no way we're getting Southgate. All of the decisions SJR made after the take over have been ridiculously competent. He doesn't seem like a guy that will stand for mediocrity - Sure it's possible Berrada and co will get the signing wrong - many people with much better structures who have done it longer than we have keep getting it wrong (Barca with Xavi, Bayern with Tuchel most recently, hopefully Pool and then City later)
But we'll do it for the right reasons.
But we'll do it for the right reasons.
A couple of them names aren’t true
Our new owner is smart… he’s letting them names float about while he can talk to our actual targets without any leaks. We’ve already seen a masterclass from him with Berrada.When we were linked with Amorim this forum moaned about it, he’s been linked with Liverpool now and the discussion around him is a bit brighter (not saying this is what you’re doing of course)
Ogden is just chatting the usual uninformed drivel though.
United wont have any problem paying off 1 years salary for ETH, compared with the ridiculous amounts shelled out previously. Also the likes of Nagelsmann, Potter, Tuchel will all be out of work so wouldnt need contracts bought out. While De Zerbi and Amorim are on very modest contracts at not very cash flush clubs.
United wont have any problem paying off 1 years salary for ETH, compared with the ridiculous amounts shelled out previously. Also the likes of Nagelsmann, Potter, Tuchel will all be out of work so wouldnt need contracts bought out. While De Zerbi and Amorim are on very modest contracts at not very cash flush clubs.
I’ve always liked him. I think his teams play really good football. And if he goes to Liverpool I think he’ll do well there.
It’s always fecking hilarious that Southgate gets slated on here.
A final and a semi final & a quarters (knocked out by World champions) like is that seriously what us English fans are like? Almost entitled really.
If you’d said in 2016 that in the following 6 years you’d be in a semi final of a WC, a final of a European championship and a quarter final of a world cup, only to be knocked out by a France team who were 2018 world champions, of whom, you gave a good performance against and made them look like a team you can actually beat. You’d have said we’d be on drugs.
Southgate is under appreciated. He may not be able to replicate that in club football but a bad manager he is not.
Most of the ire towards Southgate seems to be underperforming with a strong England side, and being too cautious. I dont think he'd take us to the top but for a transition manager he'd have more cred in the bank than Potter.
Maybe but if we had a more attack minded manager then we probably win a couple of them tournaments. His decisions have been poor, especially when he plays 2 DM when we’ve got Rice who can sit on his own and have 2 more advanced players. We’ve got a lot of talent that he’s wasting.
I dont think the Southgate slating is based on his results but more on the way he plays. Although he should, based on the available talent, likely have won against Italy in that Euros final.
I genuinely think only an lazy watcher of the sport would rate Southgate as a top coach. If they bothered to look at his open goal routes to finals theyl see how he got that far. Still, to choke the way he did despite being favourites in those ties is impressively bad.
While I agree we should have beaten Italy, there were decisions made that we should have gone for a couple more goals or at least 1 more and see where the tide lays. I think being pragmatic is probably not a bad shout for knockout football.
Jose was and still is probably one of world football’s most successful defensive and pragmatic managers. He’s seen in a better light because he’s won things (all be it he has more chances too as a club manager) but to use it as a stick to beat Southgate with, who again, is our most successful manager since 1966 is a bit unfair.
I too agree that with the attacking prowess at our disposal in players like Foden, Saka and Bellingham it would be nice to see us play with a bit more balls. But again, if it’s not broken, don’t fix it, it seems to work for international knockout football.
Admittedly should have done better against Italy.
Knocked out by Croatia when should have beaten them in the first half, if Kane had squared it? - Think all those missed chances takes it toll, yes he took too long to make changes but we still got to a WC semi final, even then, if we’d got there, we’d most likely get spanked by France and he’d still get criticised.
If Kane had scored that penalty, would we have gone on to win that game, I think we would have, but that’s momentum in football and missing that penalty took away that from us and gave France that belief, that’s football.
“Open goal” tournaments is always an arrogant way of thinking about things. You still got to beat what’s in front of you on the day.
Any anti-Ratcliffe chant ideas? Just in preparation for the Gareth's arrival.
Others have said it too but effectively for me, he'd be Ole improved at best. His football doesn't really pass the eye test. He got a ridiculously talented English squad performing alright -- any time there's a big game they fall flat but they generally do fine against the lesser sides. That's more than can be said about the managers of England's previous golden generation (Sven, Capello etc.) but not high enough a bar for me.
Not really, considering we’ve been linked with Southgate before.
No his domestic record isn't great and tactically he has been inept for England. He's been blessed with easy draws and still mucked it up. As soon as England play a top team e.g France, he isn't good enough to adapt tactically. He is just woeful. I'd be surprised if a mid table or higher club came in for him after England.
Looking forward to see him scooting into Carrington!
Id actually prefer him to Southgate. At least it would be funny
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