Todd
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If we can't get Kane or Osimhen, I'd hope we'd push for Lautaro.
I also think we should be signing Thuram on a free as a backup, either way.
I also think we should be signing Thuram on a free as a backup, either way.
I feel the same.Evan Ferguson seems like the one.
We didn’t hesitate with a young Rooney, why hesitate with him?
Vlahovic for me. I'm honestly still baffled by the Kolo Muani hype. He looks just above average every time I've seen him. Both for club and country. The amounts bandied about are surely a wind up.
Vlahovic is behind Mitrovic in the Serbia pecking order for a reason. Crazy shout imo.
Rooney had a lot more senior football under his belt before Man Utd moved for him. He even shined at a Euros. I really like Ferguson but I do think he needs a little more time before a move. Also Brighton would demand a huge fee.Evan Ferguson seems like the one.
We didn’t hesitate with a young Rooney, why hesitate with him?
Ideally we would sign someone who is a good scorer (or potentially a good scorer) while being a good link-up player and good off the ball.
Two names jump out from the U-21 age brackets: Evan Ferguson and Rasmus Højlund, doubly so if we can somehow convince Benzema to join United on a 2 year contract. Would be risky signings for obvious reasons (on top of being quite expensive), but they are physically up to scratch (Højlund is more explosive but Ferguson is no slouch himself), evidence a decent eye for goal (which will improve with time), can drop deeper to link with the midfielders or set up the others forwards (like Rashford), are above-average pressers (which is important for a ten Hag team) and so forth. In terms of fundamentals, they have a lot going in the favor; just a matter of refining their qualities and harnessing the full extent of their potential (which will take some time as they're young and learning, but the rewards could be immense — imagine being in possession of a really good center forward in his early 20s...would be a complete luxury, and there would be no more agonizing over the medium term!) Rather take a punt on exciting talents (even though they don't boast top-of-the-line statistics at this stage) than older players who are a bit more predictive but seem rather iffy.
Stuff like this doesn't matter of course, but Brazil Scout published a video on Ferguson, and these comparisons are not entirely off the mark...
Evan Ferguson seems like the one.
We didn’t hesitate with a young Rooney, why hesitate with him?
I do like Ferguson but it's hardly comparable. There weren't "tonnes of strikers" better than Rooney at the time for one, he was outstanding.I feel the same.
There are tonnes of strikers currently better than him but he is the one for me.
Oh there were loads of strikers better than young Rooney at Everton. He had world class potential that could not be ignored.I do like Ferguson but it's hardly comparable. There weren't "tonnes of strikers" better than Rooney at the time for one, he was outstanding.
Yeah you're seriously underrating the level he was at. In terms of available players that summer, he was outstanding. He'd just ripped it up at the Euro's for England, had been a very poor Everton teams top scorer, was comfortably their best player at 18 and had established himself as a scorer of critical goals in that side too. And then he hit the ground running at United too. Ferguson is a great prospect but he's not on Rooney's level and that's fine, very few are at his age.Oh there were loads of strikers better than young Rooney at Everton. He had world class potential that could not be ignored.
I don’t even think he’ll reach Kane levels but something about this lad just appeals to me.
Evan Ferguson seems like the one.
We didn’t hesitate with a young Rooney, why hesitate with him?
There's a world of difference between a young Rooney at 18 and Ferguson at the same age.Evan Ferguson seems like the one.
We didn’t hesitate with a young Rooney, why hesitate with him?
The Rooney at Everton was about potential and that something you can just feel when you watch him. In terms of his ability at the time, there were loads of better proven strikers. This is not under rating and now you’re delving into hindsight here by mentioning how he hit the ground running at Manchester United.Yeah you're seriously underrating the level he was at. In terms of available players that summer, he was outstanding. He'd just ripped it up at the Euro's for England, had been a very poor Everton teams top scorer, was comfortably their best player at 18 and had established himself as a scorer of critical goals in that side too. And then he hit the ground running at United too. Ferguson is a great prospect but he's not on Rooney's level and that's fine, very few are at his age.
I was under the impression we should be reporting posts mentioning him. Are we to take it there has been a policy change?Mason Greenwood
Free transfer and Premiership proven. Leaves more funds to pursue another striker.
My apologies. The rule completely escaped my mind.I was under the impression we should be reporting posts mentioning him. Are we to take it there has been a policy change?
Rooney was a child genius. One of those rare talents that emerges in British football only a handful of times a century.
Ferguson is a promising youngster but no more than that at the moment. He may become a top striker, he may not, but I would not pay tens of millions for this kid until we've seen a couple of full seasons of PL football from him.
It wasn't just potential though, although obviously in terms of potential he was as close to a sure thing as you will ever see at that age. He was already an excellent player, his teams best player by a distance and as I said, was a scorer of critical goals for them particularly in the second part of the 03/04 season if I remember correctly that let to them being safe pretty early given how poor they were. That was why he was pretty much nailed on to be a United player before too long several months prior to the Euro's where he obviously really exploded on a world stage. If it was purely just about potential he wouldn't have been put straight into our team as soon as he was fit, that's not hindsight that's just the reality of it. Another factor of why we would look at him was how his game was all about dropping into spaces and driving forward, a perfect foil on paper for Van Nistelrooy who was very clearly our focal point at the time and not a player we would have been looking to replace.The Rooney at Everton was about potential and that something you can just feel when you watch him. In terms of his ability at the time, there were loads of better proven strikers. This is not under rating and now you’re delving into hindsight here by mentioning how he hit the ground running at Manchester United.
When ever this is brought up the conversation circles to how he performed for United and behave like young Everton Rooney never existed. He existed and he wasn’t one of all the best strikers of the day. If you’re using his display for England that summer? Good on you, I thought it was a step up too soon like many before him. That’s how critical I was at the time. Do you even remember the strikers that were around in the premiership alone and their performance levels/game contributions before looking across Europe.
These are all terrible options.
I think we have to pay what it takes for Kane.Let's hear your marvellous suggestions
I think we have to pay what it takes for Kane.
R Hojlund £55m and M Thuram Free would be a decent solution and we could go after Kane in January or summer 24.
Put agent Cas to workIf we cannot get the likes of Kane i’d see that as a perfect scenario, but how likely are we to get Benzema?
I thought so too... and then I watched him. He's a slow Lukaku. Do not want.I'd get Vlahović.
Yes his stats might be a little underwhelming.
But, he's big
He's young.
And he's a lefty.
And! If Juventus don't qualify for Europe which looks like it, he's gettable.
I think we agree on a lot of things about Rooney and I’m not putting them on the same scale. Rooney happens to be the only British(Irish) we’ve invested in recently who is gone on to do great things, by default he is the reference point for any perceived homegrown talent. Just like Messi now or Maradona before him for Argentines, Gazza to Joe Cole, Rooney,etc. So if we sign a prodigious Ferguson or interested in him as a forward, our reference as fans to justify such a deal becomes Rooney.It wasn't just potential though, although obviously in terms of potential he was as close to a sure thing as you will ever see at that age. He was already an excellent player, his teams best player by a distance and as I said, was a scorer of critical goals for them particularly in the second part of the 03/04 season if I remember correctly that let to them being safe pretty early given how poor they were. That was why he was pretty much nailed on to be a United player before too long several months prior to the Euro's where he obviously really exploded on a world stage. If it was purely just about potential he wouldn't have been put straight into our team as soon as he was fit, that's not hindsight that's just the reality of it. Another factor of why we would look at him was how his game was all about dropping into spaces and driving forward, a perfect foil on paper for Van Nistelrooy who was very clearly our focal point at the time and not a player we would have been looking to replace.
In terms of other more proven strikers around at this time, we'd just signed a couple in Louis Saha and Alan Smith hadn't we? So with Saha and RVN at the club we wouldn't have been looking for a pure number 9, which would've ruled out the majority of the younger goalscorers in the league like Yakubu, Robbie Keane and Defoe; all of whom were older than Rooney with considerably less facets to their game anyway. Henry was obviously the best around at dropping into spaces particularly out wide but we were never getting him away from Arsenal, similar with Owen at Liverpool. I'm struggling to think of many other attackers under 30 in the league at that time that could find those spaces to drive forward as well as Rooney could in fairness. Rooney was very raw but he was outstanding, as much as I like Ferguson he shouldn't be in the same conversation.
He's definitely Irish, you know. I know the IFA has gotten a bit creative with things in the past but Evan Ferguson is from County Meath.Rooney happens to be the only British(Irish) we’ve invested in recently who is gone on to do great things, by default he is the reference point for any perceived homegrown talent. Just like Messi now or Maradona before him for Argentines, Gazza to Joe Cole, Rooney,etc. So if we sign a prodigious Ferguson or interested in him as a forward, our reference as fans to justify such a deal becomes Rooney.
Nice. I'd be satisfied with this Benz - Rodrigo scenario. Although Benz might be reluctant to accept 1 year contract.Benzema for one year
Rodrigo from Leeds.
then next year we can either sign Kane for less or Osimhen is more approachable