Who do you honestly think will go next summer?

Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>Player-wise, I don't think anybody will leave except for david may. Thoughts?</strong><hr></blockquote>

What about Becks?? At a time when everyone is talking about the fact that we need to re-build should we look to bring in a world-class star to replace the world's "second best player"? I have read all the shite involving Pish Spice and her Mother's criticism of SAF's decision not to give Beck's a day off during the recent kidnapping incident.

I have also been a great fan of Beckham from a position that he has been a very good player for Utd. It is obvious that he is a great player for England but their standards thankfully have never been our's.

If the shite from his entourage got too demanding could we replace him with one of the world's best?
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May and Chadwick are on my thoughts.

I'd throw in either Veron, Becks, or Gary Neville in there.. IMO we need to get find a scapegoat and get rid of him to fire a warning shot to the rest of the team.

it's just a thought.
 
Originally posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber:
<strong>and Gary and Phil Neville</strong><hr></blockquote>

that makes a whole lot of sense doesnt it!? leave us with one recognised fullback why dont you
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Blanc: probably
May: hopefully

Replaced with 1 fullback Escude giving us

Rb
Gaz
Brown
Phil
O'Shea in emergency

cb
Gaz,
Rio
O'Shea
Wes
Silvestre

lb
Silvestre
Phil
Escude
Tierney
O'shea (in emergency)

Plenty of cover imo.
What i want is wingers, Duff &/ or Joaquin.
 
Seba - could be sold :(
David May - thanks
Chadwick - eager-beaver
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May and Blanc. Chadwick may also go if he can't break into the first team. If we still win nothing this season and get 3rd (or lower) in the leauge, I believe Veron will also go. Fergie will need more money to rebuild the squad, Veron is surplus to our midfield, and he is consistently poor. So there is absolutely no reason he will still be here, if we win nothing this season.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>May and Blanc. Chadwick may also go if he can't break into the first team. If we still win nothing this season and get 3rd (or lower) in the leauge, I believe Veron will also go. Fergie will need more money to rebuild the squad, Veron is surplus to our midfield, and he is consistently poor. So there is absolutely no reason he will still be here, if we win nothing this season.</strong><hr></blockquote>

SAF will sell Veron over his dead body. That would be tantamount to Fergie admitting that he made a 28 million pound cock-up. No way will it happen.

Though I do wish SAF will boot out at least one so-called superstar to show that he means business and serve as a warning to the rest of the squad.
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I would have a thought a major clear out would mean more than May and Chadwick, who couldn't be blamed for saturday. Who played against city, that has been repeatedly poor or lacking in desire? The obvious candidates are Veron, the Nevilles, Silvestre, and Barthez. I would expect some of these to go - but with the state of our squad, we need to replace those who go, and further increase our squad beyond that - and this might require the sacrifice of an expensive underperformer - and not just Veron either.
 
We should rename the thread "Who do you honestly WANT to go next summer".
 
The question of who will go or not is riduculous. We need to build a bigger squad to be able to compete, by reducing the size of it by five means that we have to replace them as well as increasing the squadt. You buy first, sell afterwards. Othervise we might find us without a adequate replacement like after the stam deal which left a hole in the squad IMO.

Veron is the only player that would be sensible to sell as so much money is tied up in him. But what would we get for him considering the current market situation? 10 - 15, 2-3 new players that anyways which seems fair.
 
Originally posted by AhmedDimwitson:
<strong>The question of who will go or not is riduculous. We need to build a bigger squad to be able to compete, by reducing the size of it by five means that we have to replace them as well as increasing the squadt. You buy first, sell afterwards. Othervise we might find us without a adequate replacement like after the stam deal which left a hole in the squad IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually you need a balance between buying and selling as if you buy first then when it comes to selling everyone knows you need to get rid and consequently you will get short changed.
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Originally posted by Dans:
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Actually you need a balance between buying and selling as if you buy first then when it comes to selling everyone knows you need to get rid and consequently you will get short changed.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Quesionable, depends on the amount of money in the bank. I do not think United are in a possition to sell any players before replacements are signed. The squad is not big enough. The other part backs down in the tranfer deal and you'd be fecked and panic buys is the only result.
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There'll be no big name scapegoat. I expect the fringe players like Fortune, May and Chadwick to go. The future would look a lot brighter if Fergie decided to sign on for another 3 years on top of what he already has. Because as things stand, i can't see him ripping out the spine of the squad and remodelling, becuase quite frankly that is what it's going to take.
 
Originally posted by lchk:
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SAF will sell Veron over his dead body. That would be tantamount to Fergie admitting that he made a 28 million pound cock-up. No way will it happen.

Though I do wish SAF will boot out at least one so-called superstar to show that he means business and serve as a warning to the rest of the squad.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You are seeing Veron too big in Fergie's heart, lchk. Fergie treat his "sons" (Becks, Giggs, Neville, etc.) bigger than anyone else. Look at Stam, Ince, Cole, etc. Neville can stay here even if he plays 20 bad games, but Stam must go because he do one wrong thing.

I don't think selling Veron will be any more difficult to Fergie than selling Stam or Cole. If we fail again this season, the club and the fans will put enormous pressure on him to do something, so he must sack Veron at that time (provided that he doesn't improve in the second half of the season) no matter he like it or not.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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You are seeing Veron too big in Fergie's heart, lchk. Fergie treat his "sons" (Becks, Giggs, Neville, etc.) bigger than anyone else. Look at Stam, Ince, Cole, etc. I don't think selling Veron will be any more difficult to Fergie than selling them. If we fail again this season, the club and the fans will put enormous pressure on him to do something, so he must sack Veron at that time (provided that he doesn't improve in the second half of the season) no matter he like it or not.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Selling Veron will prove difficult because there will not be a queue of clubs clamouring for his services.
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Originally posted by Dans:
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Selling Veron will prove difficult because there will not be a queue of clubs clamouring for his services.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's a bit difficult. But I think Veron still have market in Italy. Though we must take a big cut price, of course.
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Veron's been found out in my opinion and he'll not be in demand. In Italy there are plenty of midfielders who perform more than once every six games. The only possibility in my opinion is if Barcelona suddenly lose their marbles, which they often do. Here's hoping.
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Veron's been found out in my opinion and he'll not be in demand. In Italy there are plenty of midfielders who perform more than once every six games. The only possibility in my opinion is if Barcelona suddenly lose their marbles, which they often do. Here's hoping.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Aren't Inter interested?
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Common sense tells me that May P Nev Chadwick, pugh Veron Blanc and Fortune should be sold.

Tierney, Nardiello and Forlan loaned.

O shea, Webber and Richardson promoted

And a left back cover, an experienced central back,a defensive midfielder cover, a right winger cover and two forwards

But from SAF view i cannot see him selling veron and his little baby P Neville
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>Common sense tells me that May P Nev Chadwick, pugh Veron Blanc and Fortune should be sold.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Common sense tells me that someone who has just extended his contract (Fortune) won't be sold yet... ;)
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Common sense tells me that someone who has just extended his contract (Fortune) won't be sold yet... ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


Ah, but you can also get money for someone under contract.....
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I hope Djordic could stay at Old Trafford.
May, Fortune & chadwick :( would leave.
Gary, Pil & Blanc should leave.
 
Originally posted by littlema:
<strong>I hope Djordic could stay at Old Trafford.
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Read that the danish club that Djordic is playing for want to buy him.
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Fergie says he will do what needs to be done. That sounds like a man who's not going to hold any favourites. I imagine there's a lot of cold thinking going on at OT at the moment, and I don't think any player is safe.

My guess is we're going to see Fortune, Veron, May, Blanc go. And an outside chance of Giggs while he's still got any pace to attract a reasonable price.

In are hopefully going to come some skillful, powerful bastards, people who aren't afraid to kick the crap out of anyone who gets in their way.
 
Originally posted by Dans:
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Selling Veron will prove difficult because there will not be a queue of clubs clamouring for his services.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Verons problems lie in his inability to adabt to the English game, unlike you most managers of top European clubs will be aware of that fact, however there is no way that we will get what we paid for him.
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Originally posted by Im red:
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Verons problems lie in his inability to adabt to the English game, unlike you most managers of top European clubs will be aware of that fact, however there is no way that we will get what we paid for him.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The guy has never been consistent wherever he has played. He is a luxury. I am sceptical that he will be wanted by any of Europe's top clubs at all - he's hardly set Europe alight for us has he?
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Originally posted by Dans:
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The guy has never been consistent wherever he has played. He is a luxury. I am sceptical that he will be wanted by any of Europe's top clubs at all - he's hardly set Europe alight for us has he?</strong><hr></blockquote>

but he certainly has been one of the more solid ones IMO. i think Veron is the type of player that needs to be put right smack in the center of things.. every play has to go along with his game.. that's why we've been having problems, because veron plays a much slower game.. we can't adapt to it..

i don't think veron's to blame though..
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Common sense tells me that someone who has just extended his contract (Fortune) won't be sold yet... ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Or someone who's contract ends and retiring anyway (Blanc). Not a lot would pay for his services!
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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but he certainly has been one of the more solid ones IMO. i think Veron is the type of player that needs to be put right smack in the center of things.. every play has to go along with his game.. that's why we've been having problems, because veron plays a much slower game.. we can't adapt to it..

i don't think veron's to blame though..</strong><hr></blockquote>

I doubt that. I'd want to ask if he really has tried hard enough to adapt to OUR game. Take Saturday's game as an example. It was obvious that he looked casual, careless and couldn't care less for this derby match.
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Can't see Seba sticking round for much longer if he continues the way he's playing now. Djordjic and Chadwick will probably want out if thye continues to be starved of first team chances. Obviously Larry and May, but that goes with out saying as they are out of contract in the summer.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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You are seeing Veron too big in Fergie's heart, lchk. Fergie treat his "sons" (Becks, Giggs, Neville, etc.) bigger than anyone else. Look at Stam, Ince, Cole, etc. Neville can stay here even if he plays 20 bad games, but Stam must go because he do one wrong thing.

I don't think selling Veron will be any more difficult to Fergie than selling Stam or Cole. If we fail again this season, the club and the fans will put enormous pressure on him to do something, so he must sack Veron at that time (provided that he doesn't improve in the second half of the season) no matter he like it or not.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The only reason why I see that SAF would never sell Veron is the fact that he is the most expensive purchase in the entire squad and it was Fergie himself who constantly barracked the Board for big money until the money men finally relented and let him splash out for JSV.

To turn his back on his most expensive acquisition would mean a tremendous loss of face - and we all know how proud SAF is.
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Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>Common sense tells me that May P Nev Chadwick, pugh Veron Blanc and Fortune should be sold.

Tierney, Nardiello and Forlan loaned.

O shea, Webber and Richardson promoted

And a left back cover, an experienced central back,a defensive midfielder cover, a right winger cover and two forwards

But from SAF view i cannot see him selling veron and his little baby P Neville</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think it's gotten to the point where the malaise is affecting the core of the team itself and it's not just about fringe players or squad depth. Certain first team player(s) may have to leave the club for the good of everyone. So getting rid of squad players by itself may not be enough.
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Originally posted by lchk:
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Certain first team player(s) may have to leave the club for the good of everyone. So getting rid of squad players by itself may not be enough.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'd go with this, particularly because of the higher price they might get. Saw one season review video where SAF said that he couldn't turn his back on the price Lazio put on Stam's head (that they can't pay for anymore now!). Plus the board would probably want to recoup some of the money splashed out on Rio. I'd see some of the core players going, but the ONE player who I really would like gone would most probably stay. (And it's not Veron!)
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Originally posted by lchk:
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The only reason why I see that SAF would never sell Veron is the fact that he is the most expensive purchase in the entire squad </strong><hr></blockquote>


He no longer is. Rio is the most expensive purchase now. That should have saved his face and pave the road for him to sack Veron ;)
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