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City have the best window. If only we signed Dybala and Eriksen then we would be better window.
Spurs looks good.
City is now one left back away from having a perfect squad (although Sane is now seriously injured). The lack of a substitution option for Fernandinho was hurting them — now they've signed Rodri and kept Gundogan.
Arsenal did okay.
-World class left back to replace perennially injured Mendy?
-World class centre back to replace Kompany?
-Definitive stick-or-twist on Sane given his contract situation and their impending transfer ban?
So you're saying don't answer the thread title?It's hilarious that so many people are saying Man City did nothing this window.
Rodri for €70M - long-term successor to Fernandinho
Cancelo for €65M - competition for and arguably an upgrade on Kyle Walker
You could argue that they could do with better backup options at centre-back than Otamendi, but apart from that they have arguably the best squad the Premier League has ever seen.
So what does it matter who won the transfer window, when most are of the opinion that City will walk the league before a game has even been played?
A thread title is a only an attention grabber and an opening post is only a discussion starter.So you're saying don't answer the thread title?
Why did City buy a RB (when they have one) as opposed to a LB (Mendy is a crock)?
We lost, in the past 6 months;
- Fellaini
- Herrera
- Lukaku
- Valencia
Replaced by:
- James
- Maguire
- Aaron WB
We are stronger defensively but considering Matic (and Mata!) has only gotten older since last year and we now have zero depth at striker and central midfield while only strengthening our defence - while all our rivals have massively improved. Standing still is going backwards and even if we'd brought in Longstaff and Mandzukic we'd have barely improved on last years' squad our rivals have improved much more which means our squad is weaker relative to our opposition.
How can anyone look at our striking and midfield options and say "yeah that looks like it's better than Sane-Salah-Firmino/Auba-Lacazette-Pepe/Silva-Aguero-Mahrez (etc)" is beyond me. We need a right winger AT LEAST, while increasing Rashford and Martial's output twofold in order to even equal them in production.
They signed 3 players, rodri will probably be first choice over fernandinho, cancelo to replace Danilo who will be real competition for Kyle Walker and young promising left back angelino who has replaced an ageing and make shift left back in delph. They have basically added even more strength in depth to their team, it's not like they needed major improvement on their first 11 based on last season's performance.
Good analytical approach to this. Much better than all the bs off the cuff!Looking at the Top 6 and those looking break in (Wolves, Everton & Leicester) - Part 1
1: Manchester City: Addressed their issues at LB, RB & DM, however the loss of Kompany is a big blow and one which they have yet to address this time round, coupled with the loss of Sane for quite some time and overall I would say that while they have made needed improvements and still have the best squad (on paper) in the League, there is plenty of work to be done if they want to win a CL.
2: Liverpool: This is going to be a unpopular view, but in my eyes they have missed a massive opportunity to build on what they had achieved last season (and thus repeating the same mistake they always make after having an impressive season) thanks to the lack of signings this time round. I mean sure Mingolet is finally gone from the club, but you cannot really say that Adrian is the massive upgrade that was needed to provide the proper competition Allison needs.
Likewise they have failed to address their lack of depth/competition in Full-Back (Millner showed last season that while he is still a good player, he is no longer capable of playing at FullBack, not good when they literally have no one else), Centre Back (Lovern should not even be at the club at the first place for a start), Attacking Midfield (It has been 1 & a Half years since Coutinho has left the club, and they have still not replaced him) and with the Front 3 (Not good when Origi is only good for the odd big games and the main guys have been slogging it up all summer on international duty).
So while Klopp is still going to try and get the best out of what he currently has as before, the fact they have failed to make any real improvements this time round (when even United have done so) means that they would be doing very well to match their previous performace for this season.
3: Tottenham Hotspur: Clearly they have had the best transfer window this time round (despite not getting Dybala) with the signings that they have made, which would help solve the issues they previous had in midfield (which now has some proper depth and squad competition now) and add some addtional depth in attack in the form of Sessegnon (Since I can't see him playing at LB as long as Rose & Davis are still around). Which in turn should hopefully mean that Son spends more time playing as a ST (and thus easing the burden on Kane, especially since Llorente and Janssen have been let go).
In addition to this they have somehow managed to keep the key players that where looking towards the exit door as well, unless Erriksen ends up leaving before September that is...
Now of course they still need another RB (With Trippier gone, question marks still around Aurier & Walker-Peters still lacking in experience), Another CB (Because Foyth is simply not ready to play at the top level if last season is anything to go by, nor does he provide enough competition to the other 3 CBs*), Another Attacking Player (to allow Son to play at ST on a full time basis**) and maybe another Goalkeeper (If Lloris's form continues to decline). But with the squad they currently have, they would have to be doing pretty badly to not finish this season at either 3rd or 2nd and likewise with the additional depth they have maybe Poch should take the cups more seriously than he has done in the past...
My thoughts on the other teams (Chelsea, Manchester United, Arsenal, Wolves, Everton & Leicester) shall follow tomorrow.
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*They can still try & address it by perhaps moving Dier to CB on a full time basis now that they have Sissoko, Winks, Wanyama, Ndombele & Lo Celso occupying the 2 midifeld slots. Not sure if it would work out though...
**Zaha would be both the best option for them and the best club for the player himself...
Yes, they added depth. Does that mean they had a better transfer window? Not at all. We added at least 2 players who will be in our starting 11 week in and week out when fit. City added players who will be rotated in. But go on, tell me again how they had a better transfer window than we did...
City have addressed their most pressing issue DM and also got a top quality RB and a backup LB. That's not at all bad for an already top quality squad.Spurs, Arsenal, United, in any order. Its been an underwhelming window, with the top 2 not doing anything and Chelsea transfer banned.
I reckon United have come out a fair bit worse on paper than they were a year ago.
You've lost two first team midfielders and replaced them with zilch, meanwhile your defensive midfielder showed he is finished during the season. The progress of McTominay is not anywhere near adequate to redress that and what we've learned about Fred and pereira during the season isn't cause for much optimism. If Pogba gets injured, it's barely even a top-10 midfield in this league.
At the back, you've made your most significant improvement with wan-bisaka. Maguire is a decent upgrade, lindelof came good during the season and shaw did well during the season. De Gea's shaky season is a point of concern, but with his track record it may well be just a blib.
Up front you sold your only proven goalscorer and replaced him with a championship winger who looks set for a bit part role. When martial is your most mature and developed attacker (that is not a pensioner like mata), it is a cause for concern. It's the worst attacking lineup I can remember united having had.
It's a team geared towards working for clean sheets and hoping Pogba will carry the creative burden for midfield and attack. Considering you have maybe the 3rd best defense in the league, it'll need top notch organisation to make it work.
Sixth best side on paper, probably the worst on paper since pre-ferguson days; somewhere between 5th and 20th best manager (who knows?). I predict 6th place and the most likely to be overtaken by Leicester/Everton/wolves if any of them manage to step up a level.
It's a season for shaping the team's identity, blooding youth and developing the players who could be something but are not quite there yet, whilst hoping you can nick a trophy or, if everything falls you way, nick top 4.
Think this is quite a common opinion really so expectations are pretty low.
I reckon United have come out a fair bit worse on paper than they were a year ago.
You've lost two first team midfielders and replaced them with zilch, meanwhile your defensive midfielder showed he is finished during the season. The progress of McTominay is not anywhere near adequate to redress that and what we've learned about Fred and pereira during the season isn't cause for much optimism. If Pogba gets injured, it's barely even a top-10 midfield in this league.
At the back, you've made your most significant improvement with wan-bisaka. Maguire is a decent upgrade, lindelof came good during the season and shaw did well during the season. De Gea's shaky season is a point of concern, but with his track record it may well be just a blib.
Up front you sold your only proven goalscorer and replaced him with a championship winger who looks set for a bit part role. When martial is your most mature and developed attacker (that is not a pensioner like mata), it is a cause for concern. It's the worst attacking lineup I can remember united having had.
It's a team geared towards working for clean sheets and hoping Pogba will carry the creative burden for midfield and attack. Considering you have maybe the 3rd best defense in the league, it'll need top notch organisation to make it work.
Sixth best side on paper, probably the worst on paper since pre-ferguson days; somewhere between 5th and 20th best manager (who knows?). I predict 6th place and the most likely to be overtaken by Leicester/Everton/wolves if any of them manage to step up a level.
It's a season for shaping the team's identity, blooding youth and developing the players who could be something but are not quite there yet, whilst hoping you can nick a trophy or, if everything falls you way, nick top 4.
United. Strengthened in 2 positions where we severely lacked with the best available players on the market who understand the ethos of the club and seem to mix well with the current squad. Proven quality instead of players people only know through FIFA.
Which is good for you, I reckon. If solskjaer does turn out to have the proper credentials, this season could be a good platform for actually building a team with proper identity, team culture and shape.
Only thing wrong with the picture is Pogba, whom you will rely on a lot and will most likely be off next summer. Solskjaer should have gone all in on the development season and chosen only to work with players who will still be likely to be here in 2-3 years, except as part time seniors (mata, young) and gone for 2 new replacements who would be part of the solution next season too.
If we can have a clear style of play, deliver some exciting football and show young player development I'll be happy to build on that going into next season and can stomach up and down results.
I get that. You need more people on board with that and less people losing their shit about the players not trying hard enough and backroom bullshit being stirred because they don't play like you did in 06/07.
I felt the same about houllier's (although the football was a bit shit), rafa's (before we went and won the CL), Rodgers and Klopp's first season. It was very up and down, but I could see that we were trying to do something positive and worthwhile that wasn't going to take overnight.
Hodgson it was clear from early on that there was no project worth persisting with (same as Moyes). Kenny was trickier. We played some good, progressive modern 'nearly' football with some bits missing and then the wheels just fell off completely.
The concern I see is if the talent of the developing players is not going to be what is hoped for and/or solskjaer turns out not to be able to harness the talent and you find yourself with another identity crisis and asking what is the next project going to be after this one. If guys like martial and Rashford, as the senior first choice don't play in a way that makes you excited for what they will do next season.
Broadly agree. Starting the season a bit understaffed with talented youngsters in the wings may cost on the points table, but you'll know a lot more in January to make the right investments. Would be a strong boost as well if you are still in with a strong chance for top four by then.There's always risk with such an approach but that said I'd sooner go all in with that than a continued lack of long term investment in players who are potential short term fixes or don't really fancy the long haul. AWB, Maguire and James are all here because the want to be. They aren't on mega money and have bought into what we want to do and where we currently are. We need to sign like this and build from within to get back to where we want to be.
As for this window I would have liked a creative CM but I don't think we need to replace Lukaku as I'm pretty confident in our young forwards. I think the next part of the rebuild will come in January if an identified target is available. If they aren't we will wait until summer.
Personally I'm in no rush and want it done properly.
Broadly agree. Starting the season a bit understaffed with talented youngsters in the wings may cost on the points table, but you'll know a lot more in January to make the right investments. Would be a strong boost as well if you are still in with a strong chance for top four by then.
Yes, they added depth. Does that mean they had a better transfer window? Not at all. We added at least 2 players who will be in our starting 11 week in and week out when fit. City added players who will be rotated in. But go on, tell me again how they had a better transfer window than we did...