Which players do you think will improve most under Amorim?

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For me one of the biggest tests of the Amorim era will be his ability to develop and improve players or whether like Jose, he will default to the cheque book to solve problems.

My sense is that INEOS, in typical organisational efficiency fashion, will be looking at what is happening at Liverpool with Slot. I for one was laughing at their failed pre-season transfer exploits, but they have somehow managed to significantly improve four or five in the current squad. I think the expectation to do the same will be placed on Amorim. If that turns out to be the case:
  • who do you think we could or should see a significant and sustainable improvement from?
  • is there anyone that would surprise you?
 
The younger players who have time to adjust will be the biggest winners here. The likes of Eriksen Maguire Casemiro etc I can’t see being able to adjust to the intensity.
 
Any player under 25 has a chance, if they are 'fit as a butchers dog', can follow instructions and have a modicum of football mentality.
If they are over 25 they will not be fast enough, too steeped in their ways of doing things, had any natural football mentality crushed by years of 'silo position' training.

Football has always been a young mans game, it is now a very young mans game, if you have not made the grade by 20yrs old a third of your professional footballing life has gone. (assuming no career ending injuries)

Amorin is the new footballing guru he deals only with the young, for fitness, super talent and unbelievable dedication, he will sweep away all previous ideas, above all he sees football in entertainment terms.
 
Maticmaker said:
Any player under 25 has a chance, if they are 'fit as a butchers dog', can follow instructions and have a modicum of football mentality.
If they are over 25 they will not be fast enough, too steeped in their ways of doing things, had any natural football mentality crushed by years of 'silo position' training.

Football has always been a young mans game, it is now a very young mans game, if you have not made the grade by 20yrs old a third of your professional footballing life has gone. (assuming no career ending injuries)

Amorin is the new footballing guru he deals only with the young, for fitness, super talent and unbelievable dedication, he will sweep away all previous ideas, above all he sees football in entertainment terms.
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This is garbage really.

Football is not a very young mans game...

CR7 scored more goals after 30. He went from being a tricky winger and over time became a penalty area finisher.

Mo Salah seems like he improves every season

Players over the years like Pirlo, Modric, Kroos all past 30 exceptional.

Alot of players actually come into their prime in their late 20's.

The bolded part... players like Vardy and one that everyone wants right now Gyokeres.. did not "make it" at 20.
 
Mainoo will improve massively. Shouldn’t be left with lots of gaps in midfield with this set up. Amad will probably become a star player under him aswell.
 
Maticmaker said:
Football has always been a young mans game, it is now a very young mans game, if you have not made the grade by 20yrs old a third of your professional footballing life has gone. (assuming no career ending injuries)
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Intrigued on the maths on this.
Do you think most careers run between 16 and 28?

Or have you taken 34 as the average retirement age, and decided a career therefore starts at 13?!
 
Sandikan said:
Intrigued on the maths on this.
Do you think most careers run between 16 and 28?

Or have you taken 34 as the average retirement age, and decided a career therefore starts at 13?!
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I am assuming in the future the average highest 'career plateaus'* will be much less than now, running between 17/18 to 24/25.
If you look around more and more 17/18 year olds are breaking into first team/squads than ever before, not just at the big clubs, but all most all clubs in the PL and Championship.

My point is that Amorin seems to realise that (so called )'youth status' is ending sooner, first team squad entry points (age wise) are overlapping this and it seems 'burn out' in terms of speed, playing with fear (not without it) occurs more rapidly over the age of 25.

I suspect that players over 30/31 still holding down regular first team places, will become rarer as the years pass, even when there are younger legs around them!

Amorin at a club like United can become a new 'guru' type figure that bases his teams success on speed of movement and lighting fast thinking and reactions (assuming other football skills etc are taken as given).

(* I suppose these are not true 'plateaus' there is likely to be a 'spike' say 18 to 22 or from 22 to 25)
 
The CB's will all look better because playing in a 3 instead of a 2 is just easier.

Possibly true of the midfielders as well. More of them in closer proximity eases the job. Although I don't really know how the midfield works under Amorim.

Hell of a job for the wingbacks though.
 
romufc said:
This is garbage really.

Football is not a very young mans game...

CR7 scored more goals after 30. He went from being a tricky winger and over time became a penalty area finisher.

Mo Salah seems like he improves every season

Players over the years like Pirlo, Modric, Kroos all past 30 exceptional.

Alot of players actually come into their prime in their late 20's.

The bolded part... players like Vardy and one that everyone wants right now Gyokeres.. did not "make it" at 20.
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You are talking about the past/present day, I am talking about the future and the way younger players improve. Amorin, at United, is likely to be the catalyst for these changes.
 
romufc said:
This is garbage really.

Football is not a very young mans game...

CR7 scored more goals after 30. He went from being a tricky winger and over time became a penalty area finisher.

Mo Salah seems like he improves every season

Players over the years like Pirlo, Modric, Kroos all past 30 exceptional.

Alot of players actually come into their prime in their late 20's.
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These players were on the radar of most European top sides aged 20 though. It is not a matter of peaking or being the prime version, just that aged 20 if you have potential it shows.
 
Casemiro and Maguire - for the same reason that they won't have to cover a crazy amount of space in a system which plays right to their weaknesses.

Dalot - may not be a starter if we play with more offensive players, but the wingback/wing positions will cover his defensive weaknesses very well

Mount - one of the inside forwards/10s positions fits him and Bruno perfectly and I also think they will compliment each other nicely.

Højlund - should be more involved as a focal point of the attack, without greedy wingers.

Wildcard - Antony
 
I think the central defenders, if we are going to play with 3 of them in something close to a 5-3-2 formation. And maybe the attackers because they have all been playing under their normal level in this season. This might to a good time for them to improve and start over again.
 
Maticmaker said:
Any player under 25 has a chance, if they are 'fit as a butchers dog', can follow instructions and have a modicum of football mentality.
If they are over 25 they will not be fast enough, too steeped in their ways of doing things, had any natural football mentality crushed by years of 'silo position' training.

Football has always been a young mans game, it is now a very young mans game, if you have not made the grade by 20yrs old a third of your professional footballing life has gone. (assuming no career ending injuries)

Amorin is the new footballing guru he deals only with the young, for fitness, super talent and unbelievable dedication, he will sweep away all previous ideas, above all he sees football in entertainment terms.
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Oh my... Literally not a single word of this is true. Complete gibberish, sorry. Joselu Mato had his best two seasons between 31-33 years, became a spanish international, won the spanish championship, won the Champions League and the European Championship. Nicklas Füllkrug became german international at the age of 29, now he's got 22 caps. Tim Kleindienst of Germany became german international at the age of 29 after showing his best form ever, and did you know that Jamie Vardy at 25 was still playing in the 5th tier? And so on... Gyökeres, etc.
 
Jonny Evans

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All the players will "look" better just because of a better-defined system and getting people in the best places to maximize their skillsets.

I think Bruno will return to form and enter the player of the year conversation like he did when he first signed.
 
Nani Nana said:
These players were on the radar of most European top sides aged 20 though. It is not a matter of peaking or being the prime version, just that aged 20 if you have potential it shows.
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There is a big difference between potential and saying football is a very young mans game now.

Its just not true.. just look at the teams at the top of the league... there will always be players like Palmer and the like who break through but when you want to win titles, you need experienced players. Liverpool are where they are because they have Salah, Virgil, Allison, Trent, Macca and the like, replace those with 20 year olds and I guarantee you they wont be top of the league.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say Hojlund and Antony. I think he'll get Hojlund looking like a proper striker by next season, and Antony will look at least decent.
 
Amorim doesn't ask the impossible out of his CMs as ETH did. Thus I can see the likes of Ugarte, Mainoo and possibly Bruno thrive under him. The 3 CB system will give more space for Yoro and some of the kids coming through as well while I wouldn't exclude Chido Obi Martin doing well with the guy.
 
RedFanaticTattooist said:
Oh my... Literally not a single word of this is true. Complete gibberish, sorry. Joselu Mato had his best two seasons between 31-33 years, became a spanish international, won the spanish championship, won the Champions League and the European Championship. Nicklas Füllkrug became german international at the age of 29, now he's got 22 caps. Tim Kleindienst of Germany became german international at the age of 29 after showing his best form ever, and did you know that Jamie Vardy at 25 was still playing in the 5th tier? And so on... Gyökeres, etc.
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Please read what I said. I am talking about the future, you (and others) are talking about past/present. I am also not saying there will not be the odd player who prolongs their 'shelf life' beyond 30/31, e.g Jonny Evans return to OT, he never expected to get the playing time he has had in his mid to late 30's and whilst such situations will continue, they are almost the one-offs in the future.
I believe Amorin (and others) are the new wave of football coach's who will add as a premium requirement speed and mental agility (e.g.making right decisions at the right time) to the other skills/techniques in modern football. Speed inparticular is vulnerable to age and injury, hence expect to see less and less players over 30/31 being retained in first XI/Squads.
 
I think Ugarte will become essential in that CM role. He was amazing at Sporting with Amorim.
 
wolvored said:
The younger players who have time to adjust will be the biggest winners here. The likes of Eriksen Maguire Casemiro etc I can’t see being able to adjust to the intensity.
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When our previous managers attempted to introduce intensity, the players, generally, did not respond well.
Who remembers the 30 minutes of hard pressing, under Ralf R, against Crystal Palace (?)
After that, the players said, "Nope" and we returned to playing with less intensity.

The new manager will likely have to adapt his tactic to allow our players to play lethargicly. Unfortunately, the training at our club doesn't seem to prioritise fitness (cardio/stamina), so we are resigned to playing ponderous football.

I have seen too many managers come and go. Every manager who arrives does so with promise, hope and excitement. I won't be falling for that again.

Amorim will need to show me something before I get excited and I hope he delivers.
 
Mainoo's amazing form and ability in his first few games hinted at a possible generational star.
Injuries and imho too many games stalled his progress. I'm hoping more rotation with Ugarte, Casemiro and even Mount and Eriksen might allow this fabulous player to bloom.
 
sunama said:
When our previous managers attempted to introduce intensity, the players, generally, did not respond well.
Who remembers the 30 minutes of hard pressing, under Ralf R, against Crystal Palace (?)
After that, the players said, "Nope" and we returned to playing with less intensity.

The new manager will likely have to adapt his tactic to allow our players to play lethargicly. Unfortunately, the training at our club doesn't seem to prioritise fitness (cardio/stamina), so we are resigned to playing ponderous football.

I have seen too many managers come and go. Every manager who arrives does so with promise, hope and excitement. I won't be falling for that again.

Amorim will need to show me something before I get excited and I hope he delivers.
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It’s easier to get youngsters on board with new ideas as they are basically a blank canvas. They can be molded into positions and tactics and as the saying you can’t teach an old dog new tricks is prevalent at Utd, with a lot of our players since Fergie.The fact Amorim has indicated he likes to promote youth, mold them into his way of playing and proved it at his other clubs is a good sign.
 
Onana, because our playing out from the back will have more structure and purpose (hopefully).
 
Hojlund.

The greedy wide players in the 4231 may actually pass him the ball in the new system, rather than cutting in and shooting at every possible opportunity.
 
I am hoping for Mainoo, Amad and Garnacho. All 3 have excellent potential and are quite young.
 
I think it will be Amad. Never lacks the effort and is naturally good with the ball including carrying it forward
 
Ugarte will become a key player for us. Mount will finally become a good signing. Mainoo will develop very well. Whoever becomes our main striker will thrive.
 
It’s hard to say. I think many of our young players are very good, much better than many give them credit for. So the likelihood is they would improve just with consistent game time.

I’ll go for the players that I think will be the surprise beneficiaries of Amorim. Mount (if he can stay fit), Maguire. I also think Hojlund will start to get more service.
 
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