It’s Maguire and a lot of it isn’t his fault.
Which player do you dislike the most?
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He probably wishes Dan James was still here.
Rashford atm.
Among our players-
Di Maria
Lukaku
Tevez
Zlatan - TBF Disliked him before he joined us as well
None of our current players come anywhere close to that level of dislikability as that lot.
Di Maria
Lukaku
Tevez
Zlatan - TBF Disliked him before he joined us as well
None of our current players come anywhere close to that level of dislikability as that lot.
Footballing/Attitude hate
Maguire
Rashford
Fred
martial
Lingard
Rashford
Pogba
Bisakka
Bruno sometimes
Maguire
Rashford
Fred
martial
Lingard
Rashford
Pogba
Bisakka
Bruno sometimes
I certainly don’t hate any of them but there are a few that I can’t warm up to and will unlikely ever do.
Maguire — not only his shortcomings as a player but also everything he does off the pitch seems, well, not very likeable to me.
Wan-Bissaka — it’s mostly about him being the opposite of a modern fullback on the pitch, so it’s hardly his fault. He doesn’t seem to have a big personality/presence off the pitch, which is probably a good thing, but the thing that throws me off is how lazy he often is at tracking back, which is shocking for someone whose strong suit is supposed to be his defending. Still, it more that I don’t like him than I dislike him and I’d be more than happy to keep him if he turns into a better overall player overnight.
Something can be said about Pogba, Lingard and, lately, Rashford, but it’s different with the lads who came through our academy, I still have that pro-United bias when it comes to them.
I was really excited about Martial when he just came to us but now it’s… indifference, I guess.
Cristiano had became such a significant sovereign figure in football that my feelings towards the club hardly seem to transfer over to him. This pro-club affection appears in me when he drags us to victory but it quickly dissipates. In the same way how my love for the younger Cristiano, who was not yet a figure comparable to a club in public perception, still exists but doesn’t transfer itself onto today’s version of him. It’s a very interesting case.
Maguire — not only his shortcomings as a player but also everything he does off the pitch seems, well, not very likeable to me.
Wan-Bissaka — it’s mostly about him being the opposite of a modern fullback on the pitch, so it’s hardly his fault. He doesn’t seem to have a big personality/presence off the pitch, which is probably a good thing, but the thing that throws me off is how lazy he often is at tracking back, which is shocking for someone whose strong suit is supposed to be his defending. Still, it more that I don’t like him than I dislike him and I’d be more than happy to keep him if he turns into a better overall player overnight.
Something can be said about Pogba, Lingard and, lately, Rashford, but it’s different with the lads who came through our academy, I still have that pro-United bias when it comes to them.
I was really excited about Martial when he just came to us but now it’s… indifference, I guess.
Cristiano had became such a significant sovereign figure in football that my feelings towards the club hardly seem to transfer over to him. This pro-club affection appears in me when he drags us to victory but it quickly dissipates. In the same way how my love for the younger Cristiano, who was not yet a figure comparable to a club in public perception, still exists but doesn’t transfer itself onto today’s version of him. It’s a very interesting case.
Lukaku, Rashford, AwB
Maguire
He has never been brilliant but he has been especially bad this season.
He will stroll back into the first team when almost fit and take that armband. Worst captain in my time supporting
He has never been brilliant but he has been especially bad this season.
He will stroll back into the first team when almost fit and take that armband. Worst captain in my time supporting
Pogba - you ain't fooling me, and you never did.
Rashford - looks like he can't be mithered, always sulking.
Honestly, what on earth happened to this lad? He was so full of energy, and enthusiastic when he broke through.
Martial - doesn't want to be here, and it shows.
Matic - I have my reasons.
Lingard - grow up.
Varane - not mithered, here for a payday.
Baily - charlatan and chancer.
In all fairness, the only players I actually deem good enough to play for United regularly are de Gea, Fernandes, and Shaw (needs to get his shit together very very quickly mind)
As for the others? Simply not good enough.
Rashford - looks like he can't be mithered, always sulking.
Honestly, what on earth happened to this lad? He was so full of energy, and enthusiastic when he broke through.
Martial - doesn't want to be here, and it shows.
Matic - I have my reasons.
Lingard - grow up.
Varane - not mithered, here for a payday.
Baily - charlatan and chancer.
In all fairness, the only players I actually deem good enough to play for United regularly are de Gea, Fernandes, and Shaw (needs to get his shit together very very quickly mind)
As for the others? Simply not good enough.
And?
There's no player in this squad who is hate-worthy; there are, however, so many who are not United players that it would make for pitiful reading listing those who are.
We used to be renowned for not only having excellent players, but players who had more fight and will to win than anyone else in the league, currently, I'd rank us literally bottom of the entire league in that aspect.
We used to be renowned for not only having excellent players, but players who had more fight and will to win than anyone else in the league, currently, I'd rank us literally bottom of the entire league in that aspect.
Flat track bully
Put it this way, there's not many I like
Glad it's not just me. His arrogance is nauseating. I can't stand that personality trait. It baffles me why so many people love the guy.
I think hate is a very strong word. I do dislike Maguire, though. He plays like shite all season and then does an extremely tone death celebration against farmers for England.
Definitely Maguire, everything he does just seems to annoy me more and more. The fact that he's the club captain I find is one of the reasons I dislike this team so much, when in reality, there aren't many other dislikable players in the team aside from Martial.
Not sure if hate/dislike is right here but I really wish we hadn't re-signed Ronaldo. Every little thing he does seems to tarnish the memories I have of him. I would prefer to not see him in the starting XI.
Not sure if hate/dislike is right here but I really wish we hadn't re-signed Ronaldo. Every little thing he does seems to tarnish the memories I have of him. I would prefer to not see him in the starting XI.
Hate is a harsh word, but for me they're:
- Rashford
- Zlatan
- Maguire
- AWB
- Rashford
- Zlatan
- Maguire
- AWB
It's hard to see past Maguire. It's not completely fair, because it wasn't his fault that we overpaid or that Ole made him captain, but he still annoys me massively whenever he is on the field.
Not hate, but frustrating players:
Rashford and Maguire this season.
Rashford and Maguire this season.
Because its not genuine arrogance it's just an act with him, he's supposed to be completely different in private. I'd have thought it was obvious it was mostly tongue in cheek.
Over the years we have had plenty of players that aren't good enough etc. But the only players to anger me when they attempt to play are/have been Schneiderlin, Rashford and Maguire.
I don't get the Lingard hate. Do I think he is a good player for us? No. That was obvious since 4 years ago. But I give him one think: he has tried a lot to be here. He does not have any exceptional talent. He is a bit thick too. But he has tried hard. I can't say the same thing with Martial though. All the talent of the world but he prefers to stroll. The same with current Rashford and Shaw. But hate? None. They are just people doing their work, just not good enough. It is not their fault that we overpaid them. Same with Maguire and AwB. An average CB and a talentless RB who our recruiting team thought are actually good. Not their fault that they are not good enough. And at least no one of them are cheaters. I still want all of them out of the team.
I don't hate any of them but i find quite a few childish and annoying. Lingard being the main one. Dishonourable mention to Martial for his piss poor attitude too.
Then I'm probably just stupid. It's always looked serious to me. I have never seen any other footballer talk in a similar way to him.
Martial and Pogba.
There's a reason I backed Mourinho is 2018. Huge missed opportunity in hindsight.
There's a reason I backed Mourinho is 2018. Huge missed opportunity in hindsight.
I don't dislike any of them.
I just don't care about any of them either, which is very different compared with the past.
I just don't care about any of them either, which is very different compared with the past.
People gotta touch grass
It’s kinda both. He had developed a certain self-awareness with age which makes it way more likeable but it’s certainly not just an act.
Yes we’re fantastic without those two.
Again, IMO, Zlatan is probably one of the footballers I'd most like to hang around with and I see he's getting some dislike. I reckon Zlatan would be great company.
We couldn't sell Martial if we tried and Pogba is leaving on a free. What a bit of business!
This is exactly the type of trash you hear from all the fanboys who put player over club. United have been shit without Ronaldo, without Bruno, without Maguire, without Daniel James - It says absolutely nothing about the players themselves. The club is broken and appeasing the likes of Pogba and Martial is a huge part of the reason why. No two players personify the club's descent into a clique ridden dumpster fire quite like those two.
Not too long ago, Ole got credit for leaving behind such a likeable squad of players.
Martial: Le Sulk except nowhere near as good as Anelka
Lingard: manchild that has absolutely no business at the club or living off its profile
AWB: sounds like a bellend off the pitch (driving thing, some stories about dalliances and how he dealt with women) and absolutely hopeless on it
Lingard: manchild that has absolutely no business at the club or living off its profile
AWB: sounds like a bellend off the pitch (driving thing, some stories about dalliances and how he dealt with women) and absolutely hopeless on it
I’m hearing the current issues are English and Portuguese but yeah this again only reiterates the point. Jose left and proved to be the same at Spurs, perhaps the closest we’ve been to being a top team again was after lockdown 433 and needed probably a CB and DM plus adding Sancho for another top young forward. Martial and Pogba were big parts of that, are not currently part of a team that are imploding yet once again take the blame from some fans who they live in the head of…..consider this…..neither are part of the team currently and haven’t been for months. Neither are part of the cliques causing issues on the pitch presently.
But yeah will be all well and good when they’ve gone and players like King Cavani are left who really want to be here.
The number of people saying "Maguire" just tells you everything you need to know about this club doesn't it?
We have pages and pages full of posts about how our players "don't care' or have 'terrible attitudes'...yet when asked which players our fans dislike the most, the common answers are 'Maguire', plus the odd mention for the likes of AWB.
First of all, lest we forget, we came 3rd and then 2nd with both of these players in our first XI week-in, week-out. I don't recall us having any issues with attitude or effort in either of the last two seasons?
Second of all, you can say what you like about the ability of these players - personally I think if you claim Maguire and AWB and 'poor' or even 'below average' you know nothing about football...but hey, it's a game of opinions, after all. What I can't believe is that any poster can accuse these players of not trying. In fact, I think even Maguire and AWBs biggest critics haven't ever actually accused them of not trying, or not caring...so then why the hate?
For me, it's obvious what the issues with this team are. We have a bunch of lazy, entitled, overpaid, pampered, egotistical forward players who have hung their teammates out to dry this season. As I have said elsewhere, football is a team game. Modern football requires every player to participate in attack, and every player to participate in defence. This means defenders must keep possession, play forward passes, progress the ball into midfield and hold a high-line. In return, 'forward' players must work their socks off to make space for passes in-between the lines or to stretch the opposition defence by running in-behind, not just once or for five minutes, but over and over again, regardless of whether the passes are coming. They must be brave and show for the ball, and fight for the 50:50s and they absolutely MUST close down the opposition defenders and midfielders because you CANNOT (even if you have prime Rio and Van Dijk at CB) play a high-line with no pressure on the ball. It is absolutely suicidal.
Now, the defensive players (by this, I generally mean AWB, Maguire, Shaw, Lindelof, Varane, McTominay & Fred) have all tried to keep their part of the bargain. They have moved higher up the pitch and they actually see most of the ball, as evidenced by our passing channels, which show that Maguire and Shaw are the two 'most passed too' players in our team.
The attackers have badly let them down, and in this I include Rashford, Sancho, Fernandes, Martial, Cavani and Ronaldo. They have well and truly hung their teammates out to dry. They are static, they don't run in-behind, they don't close down (or certainly not with real intensity), they don't fight for headers and 50:50s, they gesticulate and wave their arms around every time a teammate makes any kind of error...and they do all this whilst earning significantly higher wages than the 'defensive' lads.
As I have said elsewhere, I have played football to a relatively decent local/regional standard as a DM and as a CB/WB. If I was in that United team, as a defensive player, I would be disgusted. In addition, I would be having a frank conversation with my teammates, with the manager and the coaching staff, in which I would make it 100% clear that IF the forward players cannot or will not press the opposition and prevent them from having time on the ball, I will retreat 20 yards and set the backline halfway in my own half. No way would I look a t**t every week, standing on the halfway line watching opposition players have all the time in the world to pick passes through the lines or knock the ball into the channels. Bear in mind, we also have a GK who thinks he's sweeping if he leaves his 6-yard box, so the back four have about 40 yards of space behind them to cover.
Honestly, it's insane. It's insane having to watch it every week, seeing how obvious the problems are, and then seeing the wrong players scapegoated week-in, week-out on the TV and then, as a result, on here. Personally, I don't really rate McTominay or Fred, in terms of their abilities on the ball, but they're not 'poor' players. They are both international footballers. Neither can they be accused of not trying or not caring. Likewise, again, say what you like about Maguire, Varane, Lindelof, AWB, Shaw...these are not 'poor' players. They are, in fact, very good players...OK, maybe not world-class/elite players, but very good nonetheless.
The fact that we have 10+ threads open where posters cry about us going backwards, the bad attitudes, the lack of effort and then we have a 'who do we dislike?' thread, which largely targets Maguire just blows my mind. Don't rate him...fine. Can't do anything about that, but don't kid yourself that these lads are the issue. The issue is very plain to see. Rashford. Lazy. Greenwood. Lazy. Ronaldo. Lazy (running for 5 mins at the end and waving your arms at the crowd doesn't kid me). Fernandes. Headless, playing for himself. Martial. Lazy. Sancho. Lazy.
Really think about it for a second. Who are the players 'letting Manchester United down' right now? The players who get battered week after week are Maguire, Shaw, AWB, Fred and McTominay, yet I have never once watched any of those players and seen anything other than maximum effort and commitment. Can I say the same about the forwards? Can I balls. We consider ourselves lucky because we got 30-minutes of effort and running out of them against Palace. It's not like they're even contributing going forwards. OK, Ronaldo has knocked in a couple of tap-ins and penalties, I'd say that's not a great return for £500K per week, but least he has scored a few. What have Rashford or Sancho contributed this season, or even Cavani or Fernandes?
Some of you, and some of the people at the club, need to realise that effort and commitment beats talent every. single. time., if that 'talent' isn't applied correctly. I have played thousands of football matches myself, at various levels from Sunday/Saturday League, to PL Academy, to University, to local level Semi-Pro, and I can spot the bluffers, the blaggers and the wasters in one training session. I'll tell you now, I wouldn't want ANY of our forwards in ANY of my teams (let's say abilities are toned down for the level). We need to realise this fast, before we ruin Greenwood, like we ruined Rashford and Martial.
We have pages and pages full of posts about how our players "don't care' or have 'terrible attitudes'...yet when asked which players our fans dislike the most, the common answers are 'Maguire', plus the odd mention for the likes of AWB.
First of all, lest we forget, we came 3rd and then 2nd with both of these players in our first XI week-in, week-out. I don't recall us having any issues with attitude or effort in either of the last two seasons?
Second of all, you can say what you like about the ability of these players - personally I think if you claim Maguire and AWB and 'poor' or even 'below average' you know nothing about football...but hey, it's a game of opinions, after all. What I can't believe is that any poster can accuse these players of not trying. In fact, I think even Maguire and AWBs biggest critics haven't ever actually accused them of not trying, or not caring...so then why the hate?
For me, it's obvious what the issues with this team are. We have a bunch of lazy, entitled, overpaid, pampered, egotistical forward players who have hung their teammates out to dry this season. As I have said elsewhere, football is a team game. Modern football requires every player to participate in attack, and every player to participate in defence. This means defenders must keep possession, play forward passes, progress the ball into midfield and hold a high-line. In return, 'forward' players must work their socks off to make space for passes in-between the lines or to stretch the opposition defence by running in-behind, not just once or for five minutes, but over and over again, regardless of whether the passes are coming. They must be brave and show for the ball, and fight for the 50:50s and they absolutely MUST close down the opposition defenders and midfielders because you CANNOT (even if you have prime Rio and Van Dijk at CB) play a high-line with no pressure on the ball. It is absolutely suicidal.
Now, the defensive players (by this, I generally mean AWB, Maguire, Shaw, Lindelof, Varane, McTominay & Fred) have all tried to keep their part of the bargain. They have moved higher up the pitch and they actually see most of the ball, as evidenced by our passing channels, which show that Maguire and Shaw are the two 'most passed too' players in our team.
The attackers have badly let them down, and in this I include Rashford, Sancho, Fernandes, Martial, Cavani and Ronaldo. They have well and truly hung their teammates out to dry. They are static, they don't run in-behind, they don't close down (or certainly not with real intensity), they don't fight for headers and 50:50s, they gesticulate and wave their arms around every time a teammate makes any kind of error...and they do all this whilst earning significantly higher wages than the 'defensive' lads.
As I have said elsewhere, I have played football to a relatively decent local/regional standard as a DM and as a CB/WB. If I was in that United team, as a defensive player, I would be disgusted. In addition, I would be having a frank conversation with my teammates, with the manager and the coaching staff, in which I would make it 100% clear that IF the forward players cannot or will not press the opposition and prevent them from having time on the ball, I will retreat 20 yards and set the backline halfway in my own half. No way would I look a t**t every week, standing on the halfway line watching opposition players have all the time in the world to pick passes through the lines or knock the ball into the channels. Bear in mind, we also have a GK who thinks he's sweeping if he leaves his 6-yard box, so the back four have about 40 yards of space behind them to cover.
Honestly, it's insane. It's insane having to watch it every week, seeing how obvious the problems are, and then seeing the wrong players scapegoated week-in, week-out on the TV and then, as a result, on here. Personally, I don't really rate McTominay or Fred, in terms of their abilities on the ball, but they're not 'poor' players. They are both international footballers. Neither can they be accused of not trying or not caring. Likewise, again, say what you like about Maguire, Varane, Lindelof, AWB, Shaw...these are not 'poor' players. They are, in fact, very good players...OK, maybe not world-class/elite players, but very good nonetheless.
The fact that we have 10+ threads open where posters cry about us going backwards, the bad attitudes, the lack of effort and then we have a 'who do we dislike?' thread, which largely targets Maguire just blows my mind. Don't rate him...fine. Can't do anything about that, but don't kid yourself that these lads are the issue. The issue is very plain to see. Rashford. Lazy. Greenwood. Lazy. Ronaldo. Lazy (running for 5 mins at the end and waving your arms at the crowd doesn't kid me). Fernandes. Headless, playing for himself. Martial. Lazy. Sancho. Lazy.
Really think about it for a second. Who are the players 'letting Manchester United down' right now? The players who get battered week after week are Maguire, Shaw, AWB, Fred and McTominay, yet I have never once watched any of those players and seen anything other than maximum effort and commitment. Can I say the same about the forwards? Can I balls. We consider ourselves lucky because we got 30-minutes of effort and running out of them against Palace. It's not like they're even contributing going forwards. OK, Ronaldo has knocked in a couple of tap-ins and penalties, I'd say that's not a great return for £500K per week, but least he has scored a few. What have Rashford or Sancho contributed this season, or even Cavani or Fernandes?
Some of you, and some of the people at the club, need to realise that effort and commitment beats talent every. single. time., if that 'talent' isn't applied correctly. I have played thousands of football matches myself, at various levels from Sunday/Saturday League, to PL Academy, to University, to local level Semi-Pro, and I can spot the bluffers, the blaggers and the wasters in one training session. I'll tell you now, I wouldn't want ANY of our forwards in ANY of my teams (let's say abilities are toned down for the level). We need to realise this fast, before we ruin Greenwood, like we ruined Rashford and Martial.
Yeah Zlatan seems like a good guy. It's like a pantomime villain.
Your ongoing positivity about Martial flies in the face of all logic and form. It's bizarre. Yes, he used to dribble pretty patterns and be an ice cold finisher. These days, he doesn't go at defenders, doesn't run in behind and has totally lost his mojo in front of goal. On top of that he doesn't seem to try. Absolute nothing player that's just collecting a wage and not bothered about contributing.
What ongoing positivity about Martial? I don’t think I’ve posted anything positive about him in a year or maybe more. I think you’re confusing me with someone else.
My reply was based on a poster trying to rewrite history that if only we’d kept Jose and sold Pogba and Martial everything would’ve been ok and he would/was/is right.
The problem being those two both performed to a high standard for sustained periods on the other side of Jose….where Jose went and did the same job at Spurs.
Martial now……He’s already gone in my head. I agree he’s nothing anymore. It’s a shame but it’s just over for him here.
Pogba.
Up until a few months ago to a year we were talking that we have the most likeable squad in a long time. How fast things change.
I'm disappointed with many of them but hate is to strong a word to use for your own players.
I'm disappointed with many of them but hate is to strong a word to use for your own players.