Just goes to show how shit our transfers in have been that we have so many players to direct the bile to.
Which of the three is the worst signing ?
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Sancho, because when he came here he was touted as world class potential. The other two I never expected to be particularly great, albeit I didn't expect them to be as bad as they turned out.
If Maguire wasn't captain, he wouldn't be in this list. He's was terrible in that 21-22 season but fairly not terrible before that. Sancho scored 1 or 2 goals that were valuable even if he was otherwise mostly terrible (against Liverpool last year, Chelsea the year before). VDB though...
What in the name of all things SportBible is that. Pogba was amazing at times, even top scorer one season, though unfortunately he was inconsistent. Sancho has offered nothing.
To answer the original question, it’s Sancho.
Sancho. Zero bite, always keeps a clean shirt, evidently self pitying, and seems to have no peak.
Only 1 answer... Sancho.
How about Paul Pogba, Victor Lindelof and Angel di Maria? A lot of money for a primadonna, a CB with no streight or speed and a guy who never wanted to be here in the first place? Money wise pretty similar to the mentioned three.
Easily Maguire, then Sancho, then VdB.
Antony could defeat them all though if he plays things right. Was rubbish when he played and now he might be doing a Greenwood!
Antony could defeat them all though if he plays things right. Was rubbish when he played and now he might be doing a Greenwood!
Despite his troubles, Maguire had many decent games and acted and played the leader repeatedly. Give me one positive about Sancho.
Im not going to just bash the mentioned 3 just because they are the flavour of the month on the CAF. There have been some dreadful signings post Fergie and this is how I would rank them. If I got the fee wrong (talking pounds) dont nitpick guys:
1) +80 mil Paul Pogba. Still the worst transfer in recent times. Lazy. Overrated. Didnt control the midfield. One saving grace was the 3 2 win against City I will always give him that.
2) 60 mil Angel di Maria. Never respected the club and for that he went personal in my book. Played as he wasnt really bothered.
3) 35-40 mil Victor Lindelof. Yes he is worse than Maguire. No streight, no speed, no attitude. Just like our dear club a reflection of what we have become. I said it earlier every single defensive player in our team has some virtue except this guy.
4) 80 mil Harry Maguire. Slow, sluggish and not good enough. Strong can score a header (at least for England). But he could have played for a mid table english club and not be a subject of abuse. Sadly our lack of srategy and thinking hurt us and his career (just like Moyes they are both out of their depth but you just dont say not to United and a bunch of money)
5) 30-40 mil Fellaini. In hindsight a reflection of things to come. A last transfer deadline day buy while we could have bought the likes of Kross for a similar amount (prehaps more) or Barkley for half of that in 2014
6) 100+ mil Sancho. Sure he has issues but his sample of playing time is just too short to be ahead of any of the mentioned guys before him on this list.
7) VDB is just not strong enough for the PL and I honestly wish him well in a less demanding league
1) +80 mil Paul Pogba. Still the worst transfer in recent times. Lazy. Overrated. Didnt control the midfield. One saving grace was the 3 2 win against City I will always give him that.
2) 60 mil Angel di Maria. Never respected the club and for that he went personal in my book. Played as he wasnt really bothered.
3) 35-40 mil Victor Lindelof. Yes he is worse than Maguire. No streight, no speed, no attitude. Just like our dear club a reflection of what we have become. I said it earlier every single defensive player in our team has some virtue except this guy.
4) 80 mil Harry Maguire. Slow, sluggish and not good enough. Strong can score a header (at least for England). But he could have played for a mid table english club and not be a subject of abuse. Sadly our lack of srategy and thinking hurt us and his career (just like Moyes they are both out of their depth but you just dont say not to United and a bunch of money)
5) 30-40 mil Fellaini. In hindsight a reflection of things to come. A last transfer deadline day buy while we could have bought the likes of Kross for a similar amount (prehaps more) or Barkley for half of that in 2014
6) 100+ mil Sancho. Sure he has issues but his sample of playing time is just too short to be ahead of any of the mentioned guys before him on this list.
7) VDB is just not strong enough for the PL and I honestly wish him well in a less demanding league
In the light of recent events it must be Sancho, I believed that he may eventually become a decent player after 2 years but it seems he is on a downhill.
Sad thing is I was expecting Sancho and two different players to the ones mentioned, such is our catastrophic history of bad recruitment
Absolutely ridiculous suggestion. We got four good seasons out of Pogba, who during his time here was second only to Bruno for average number of MOTM votes per game. That’s a feat that suggests he played MUCH better and with far more regularity than he’s credited for since the CAF is filled with people who absolutely despised him.
VDB by a country mile. We literally pissed 40mill up the wall when we signed him. He’s played the equivalent of 6 full premier league games in his time.
Maguire was actually good, not great and his pace was a problem, but in terms of what he is capable of he played well mostly for his first two seasons. Would be delighted to see the back of him now but you’ve got to be fair in assessment.
Sancho….a lot of excitement then a big red flag when Ole didn’t start him in the first game of that season. It’s never got better. The most bizarre turn of events given how great he was at Dortmund.
Maguire was actually good, not great and his pace was a problem, but in terms of what he is capable of he played well mostly for his first two seasons. Would be delighted to see the back of him now but you’ve got to be fair in assessment.
Sancho….a lot of excitement then a big red flag when Ole didn’t start him in the first game of that season. It’s never got better. The most bizarre turn of events given how great he was at Dortmund.
DvB by far.
Of the three he would have the shortest career highlight video.
At least with Sancho you can see the technical abilities... even slabhead had his moments especially the 1st season.
Donnie... I can't think of one moment in his united career that I can remember. Complete blank
Of the three he would have the shortest career highlight video.
At least with Sancho you can see the technical abilities... even slabhead had his moments especially the 1st season.
Donnie... I can't think of one moment in his united career that I can remember. Complete blank
Put Antony in there also. He may be innocent but definitely minimal impact and may miss a chunk of the season due to allegations so its not beneficial to the team overall
He’s done more than Donny and Sancho already
On a pure footballing level it's Van de Beek because he's literally contributed nothing for us. If you're factoring in value for money the answer might change. £80m was always a ridiculous fee for Maguire and we never should've paid it. Sancho hasn't worked out but you could understand the rationale behind it at the time and he still retains some resale value.
Another Pogba fan boy. I thought you lot started following Juventus
Point provenWe can add Anthony or Sancho if they don’t play for club again.
I mean, at a certain point, people need to stop suggesting managers of United could handle all
These difficult players better and realise the clubs just a toxic environment regardless of what chess pieces are there.
And for the lad suggesting Paul Pogba had 4 good seasons, what in the name of god are you talking about? Even the season he was nominated for player of the team, he played great in maybe 12 games and did f**k all else for the rest of the season. An absolute waste of space and I’m still waiting for him to prove United wrong as he claimed when he went back to Juventus. The epitome of a social Media footballer, extremely talented, but attitude, application, mentality was abysmal.
I mean, at a certain point, people need to stop suggesting managers of United could handle all
These difficult players better and realise the clubs just a toxic environment regardless of what chess pieces are there.
And for the lad suggesting Paul Pogba had 4 good seasons, what in the name of god are you talking about? Even the season he was nominated for player of the team, he played great in maybe 12 games and did f**k all else for the rest of the season. An absolute waste of space and I’m still waiting for him to prove United wrong as he claimed when he went back to Juventus. The epitome of a social Media footballer, extremely talented, but attitude, application, mentality was abysmal.
On what? I dont hate him I just hink he is overrated. I even gave him props on the City game but I do not think trashing Sancho and Maguire is very productive while we had players like Pogba and Di Maria in the team
It's tough to judge now. We'll know couple of years from now.
Donny Van de Beek has barely played , he's actually barely a footballer, totally invisible on the pitch. Pretty limited both technically and physically(athletically). But, his wages aren't too high I think(lowest of the 3 mentioned in the post), and he is showing willingness to leave(even permanently, not just loan), so there's that as a positive with him, I guess.
Harry Maguire is a footballer(contrary to Van de Beek), but still a terrible one. Has shown arrogance, greed, narcissism even. Not willing to reduce his wage and move elsewhere where he could actually play and he prefers sitting on the bench for two more years and collecting paychecks. Harry is actively sabotaging the club, we couldn't bring another, competent CB by selling him first. But, I also understand his position - more money(wage) now, over dignity and playing football. He is entitled to it, I guess, the club has given him that contract because of absolutely shambolic recruitment/scouting(Woodward).
Jadon Sancho is a lazy slacker who is talented, but doesn't lack the competitiveness, work rate and drive to succeed as a footballer. I don't think he actually likes, enjoys playing football that much. It's just a job which affords him lavish, luxurious lifestyle on a very fat paycheck. Situation right now is tense with the manager, disciplinary issues are a big problem. If we manage to ship him to Saudi somehow in January(or next summer) for decent amount of money(at least £30-40m), the whole problem will be somewhat resolved and he will just be forgotten as a waste of talent. I think he is money driven and that Saudi transfer is possible. He can't wait to gather some serious money, and then buy a house and retire somewhere in Florida, Bahamas, Jamaica, Spain, French Riviera, California etc. and enjoy the rest of his life in a very hedonistic fashion - parties, beaches, girls, alcohol, drugs, travelling, video games...whatever.
All things considered, I think that Van de Beek is the worst footballer amongst this infamous bunch and a very pointless signing, but Harry Maguire is the worst signing considering the fee, wages, his arrogance, greed, behaviour, unwillingness to leave and just sabotaging the club as a circus clown/jester when the whole world knows he's not good enough to play for Manchester United and he's mocked into oblivion worldwide and became a meme forever - symbol of United's decay, Glazer Apocalypse. From Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic(best CB partnership in PL history) to Jacob Harry Maguire. From Mount Everest to Mariana trench. Jesus Christ...
I understand Maguire's greed, but he's really gone on my nerves and can't wait to see him get out of the club(it will take two years, unfortunately). He could become the Man United player I hate the most(in United's whole history), not counting criminals/delinquents like Greenwood.
Donny Van de Beek has barely played , he's actually barely a footballer, totally invisible on the pitch. Pretty limited both technically and physically(athletically). But, his wages aren't too high I think(lowest of the 3 mentioned in the post), and he is showing willingness to leave(even permanently, not just loan), so there's that as a positive with him, I guess.
Harry Maguire is a footballer(contrary to Van de Beek), but still a terrible one. Has shown arrogance, greed, narcissism even. Not willing to reduce his wage and move elsewhere where he could actually play and he prefers sitting on the bench for two more years and collecting paychecks. Harry is actively sabotaging the club, we couldn't bring another, competent CB by selling him first. But, I also understand his position - more money(wage) now, over dignity and playing football. He is entitled to it, I guess, the club has given him that contract because of absolutely shambolic recruitment/scouting(Woodward).
Jadon Sancho is a lazy slacker who is talented, but doesn't lack the competitiveness, work rate and drive to succeed as a footballer. I don't think he actually likes, enjoys playing football that much. It's just a job which affords him lavish, luxurious lifestyle on a very fat paycheck. Situation right now is tense with the manager, disciplinary issues are a big problem. If we manage to ship him to Saudi somehow in January(or next summer) for decent amount of money(at least £30-40m), the whole problem will be somewhat resolved and he will just be forgotten as a waste of talent. I think he is money driven and that Saudi transfer is possible. He can't wait to gather some serious money, and then buy a house and retire somewhere in Florida, Bahamas, Jamaica, Spain, French Riviera, California etc. and enjoy the rest of his life in a very hedonistic fashion - parties, beaches, girls, alcohol, drugs, travelling, video games...whatever.
All things considered, I think that Van de Beek is the worst footballer amongst this infamous bunch and a very pointless signing, but Harry Maguire is the worst signing considering the fee, wages, his arrogance, greed, behaviour, unwillingness to leave and just sabotaging the club as a circus clown/jester when the whole world knows he's not good enough to play for Manchester United and he's mocked into oblivion worldwide and became a meme forever - symbol of United's decay, Glazer Apocalypse. From Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic(best CB partnership in PL history) to Jacob Harry Maguire. From Mount Everest to Mariana trench. Jesus Christ...
I understand Maguire's greed, but he's really gone on my nerves and can't wait to see him get out of the club(it will take two years, unfortunately). He could become the Man United player I hate the most(in United's whole history), not counting criminals/delinquents like Greenwood.
Sancho definitely is doing his best to top this poll, for the outlay and return so far on top of the attitude problem we are now seeing it would be the worst. Needs to be bundled out the door asap i think.
DVB has just been a complete non entity since his signing, he has not done anything bad or cost us a match but then again he has just not done anything at all really.
Maguire for me actually had a very good first season and solidified our defence and certainly helped get us back in top 4 and the Europa Final (where he was badly missed and we would have won if he played IMHO). I think the injury he got that time (after not missing a game all season) and the premature recovery from this injury, hence a miraculous appearance at the Euros had a lasting effect and he lost a few % that he would never recover. This never really gets mentioned much but for me this was the turning point for him. Now his time is just up at the club and he needs to move on, but i bear him no ill will at all.
DVB has just been a complete non entity since his signing, he has not done anything bad or cost us a match but then again he has just not done anything at all really.
Maguire for me actually had a very good first season and solidified our defence and certainly helped get us back in top 4 and the Europa Final (where he was badly missed and we would have won if he played IMHO). I think the injury he got that time (after not missing a game all season) and the premature recovery from this injury, hence a miraculous appearance at the Euros had a lasting effect and he lost a few % that he would never recover. This never really gets mentioned much but for me this was the turning point for him. Now his time is just up at the club and he needs to move on, but i bear him no ill will at all.
I think his averaged out contributions were over rated moreso then his ability. Getting a goal or assist in a game is great , but there’s no stat that can also factor in all the negative things that came with those performances. People only remember the headline assist/goal and pedal it as the only thing that matters when discussing the player.
When he was bad, he was absolutely dogsh*t bad for a player of his ability. I think alot of people were happy to let his moments of greatness outweigh objective assessments of his overall contributions.
He just didn’t have these memorable moments consistently enough to have a passenger like him in the team.
Outside looking in, it’s definitely not maguire. He might be a little bit “deluded” in terms of his own ability but he seems professional, was useful for us for a couple seasons at the very least and still contributes these days. Yeah he was never worth the initial fee, but that wasn’t his fault.
it really is a toss up between the other two.
it really is a toss up between the other two.
Sancho is the biggest disappointment, and for me the biggest failure, based on prospects, money and effort, out of the 3 also appears to be the biggest tosser
VBB has tried, had a bad injury and just does not really fit, he should be playing the Bruno role but here is no chance, I still think there is a player in there, he will go back to Netherlands or another european league and will probably shine
Maguire has had his moments, and some good performances early on and always tries hard, he would be a decent player in a system that suited him, which has not been the case since at least Ole's second season, also in terms of disappointment, I think if you had seen Maguire before he signed and what he has offered since you cannot really say there is a massive change, he has also had some terrible luck and I think has been affected by the Greece business, that said any sympathy I had for him vanished when he opted to stay this last window
VBB has tried, had a bad injury and just does not really fit, he should be playing the Bruno role but here is no chance, I still think there is a player in there, he will go back to Netherlands or another european league and will probably shine
Maguire has had his moments, and some good performances early on and always tries hard, he would be a decent player in a system that suited him, which has not been the case since at least Ole's second season, also in terms of disappointment, I think if you had seen Maguire before he signed and what he has offered since you cannot really say there is a massive change, he has also had some terrible luck and I think has been affected by the Greece business, that said any sympathy I had for him vanished when he opted to stay this last window
Sancho, vdb, Maguire
Honest question, at this stage would you not rather be a bit short at CB than have him at this stage?
Sancho. Similar fee to Maguire and on much higher wages.
Maguire will have had more good games than Sancho comparing their time here.
Donny was a bad signing but he should never have been signed in the first place. He was never starting over Bruno or Pogba.
Maguire will have had more good games than Sancho comparing their time here.
Donny was a bad signing but he should never have been signed in the first place. He was never starting over Bruno or Pogba.
Donny was a pointless signing but not the worst because he barely played and he’s on low wages.
Sancho isby far the worst because he’s cost a lot, earns a lot and plays too much given his actual performance.
Sancho isby far the worst because he’s cost a lot, earns a lot and plays too much given his actual performance.
‘Who’s the worst signing - Sancho, Maguire or VbD…?’
*Antony* - ‘HOLD. MY. BEER’
*Antony* - ‘HOLD. MY. BEER’
He was not free. we gave Mhkitaryan who ironically performed better for us than Sanchez has ever been, in exchange, and good point for pointing Sanchos wage as our wages started balooning up after Sanchez as other players saw what wage he was on and started demanding bigger salary to match him.
Maguire has no business being in this discussion. A key member of a team that finished 3rd and 2nd. Sancho has contributed far more than Donny who has literally only had 45 good substitute minutes in a defeat, is clearly more talented and only cost 30m more - but his wages are crazy. I think I’ll go him.
Agreed.
It’s actually quite the opposite of everything you’ve wrote. I had a look through the performance thread of the season mentioned where he got 16 goals and 14 assists. There were 20 odd games that I counted where the general consensus was that he’d played really well. There were also amongst them several games like Wolves, where the team was trash, he was outstanding, but because he got tackled on halfway and wolves went on to score 30 seconds and five passes later lots of posters lost their mind. There’s multiple games where for the majority of the game the consensus was he was very good but ‘those two passes he gave away’….literally the focus of multiple posters!
I’ve never seen anything like it with any player to have ever played for us. We currently have players the exact opposite, that fit what your post suggests. Players who are absolute dogshit bad for 89 mins week in week out but pull out an assist or create a chance and at the end of the season are lauded on the back of random stats rather than performance levels.
Pogba was always judged by his bad moments not his good moments. It is ridiculous and demonstratably incorrect to suggest otherwise, particularly when we have players regularly defended by fans for 3/4 passes per game when they have been dogshit for the rest of the game.
Pogba wasn’t great, but he had more great games, more regularly than others who are loved, won more and was more integral to the trophies won, he had quite a lot of good games when the team struggled, barring our defenders I can’t think of any current player whose been at the club more than one season to have played well when the team struggled.
It’s all about regard and the power of rapport, the power also of the media and agenda. For those reasons Pogba would have had to have been one of the best players in the world, a different type of player to the one he is and produced insane figures offensively and defensively to have been accepted.
I’d sum it up by looking at the red card he got v Liverpool and the reaction to that. Then swap around the situation and ask if Pogba passed that ball, who would be criticised? Bruno would’ve been chanted off the pitch as a hero for getting stuck into them. I have no doubt about that.
People’s minds won’t change, that’s fine it’s old news and the dye was cast years ago but it only takes ten mins to find that the exact opposite realty exists to the one that you are suggesting.
Right now Sancho is making Pogba look like a dedicated, hard working professional in comparison. So it's a no contest win for Sancho.
VdB and Maguire were never good enough but have at least maintained the bare minimum of actually turning up when required and showing a degree of respect for the club, manager and fans.
What a terrible waste Jadon.
VdB and Maguire were never good enough but have at least maintained the bare minimum of actually turning up when required and showing a degree of respect for the club, manager and fans.
What a terrible waste Jadon.
The ultimate Pogba defence “what you think you saw in most games with your own eyes was a lie”
Sancho has been shit on the pitch and a nuisance off it, so him.
Yep should have used him as a 10 for a while, another square peg circle hole we keep trying out.