Where will our rivals look to strengthen?

I don't like Ramires either. He's a dirty knob. Could Mourinho go for Khedira or is he too similar to Matic?
Possibly, I think he's a hybrid of the two, really. He has the tendency to play that box to box role in the sense that Ramires does, but he can also sit back and sweep up, a lot like Matic. They rejected a huge fee from us over him, didn't they? I wouldn't personally pay over £20-25m for him but I think he is a good shout.
 
Do you reckon you'd have the money to go for players like Shaw and Koke/Kroos/Gundogan, or do you think it's more likely to be cheaper squad players?

None of those players would go to Liverpool.
 
I think we have a realistic chance of Shaw. I don't think we'll be in for the others, but if we do win the league then who knows?

Chelsea and United will be in for Shaw and both are more attractive clubs that Pool, regardless of this season.

As for the others you don't have a hope. You haven't won the league in over 20 years and have averaged 7th for the last four seasons. One isolated success like this season won't make the likes of Kroos even consider joining Liverpool.
 
Managala and Fernando at Porto seem the most likely players to join City in the Summer.

With the exception of a couple of questionable links to Barkley, Shaw, and Sagna there have been next to no rumours about are summer activities.

On the way out seems to be Richards, Rodwell, Barry, Lescott, Sinclair, Boyata.
 
Chelsea and United will be in for Shaw and both are more attractive clubs that Pool, regardless of this season.

As for the others you don't have a hope. You haven't won the league in over 20 years and have averaged 7th for the last four seasons. One isolated success like this season won't make the likes of Kroos even consider joining Liverpool.

More attractive how?

I've said I don't think we'll be in for the others, but if we win the league and offer the going rates then there's no reason why we can't sign one of them.
 
Chelsea and United will be in for Shaw and both are more attractive clubs that Pool, regardless of this season.

As for the others you don't have a hope. You haven't won the league in over 20 years and have averaged 7th for the last four seasons. One isolated success like this season won't make the likes of Kroos even consider joining Liverpool.

Attractive to who? There will be a reasonable proportion of players who would rather join Liverpool than United right now.
 
I think City will go for a CB, LB, a covering CM and a striker to cover Dzeko leaving.
 
Managala and Fernando at Porto seem the most likely players to join City in the Summer.

With the exception of a couple of questionable links to Barkley, Shaw, and Sagna there have been next to no rumours about are summer activities.

On the way out seems to be Richards, Rodwell, Barry, Lescott, Sinclair, Boyata.

Would Fernando be a free signing? I've seen Bluemoon saying they'd pay £15m for him. Haven't you also signed Zuculini?
 
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Why do you say that?

edit: Ah, I see. Well, I disagree, but whatever.

Why do you disagree?

They've been an average team for a long time and haven't won the league for over 20 years, they have less money than their competitors and offer lower wages. One season of good football isn't enough to make Liverpool an attractive club for the best players. We've seen clubs have good seasons before and players/agents aren't that fickle.

It isn't even a great squad IMO - no matter what happens this season, both City and Chelsea will go in to 2014/15 as favourites ahead of Pool. Both have better teams anyway, plus more money to improve in the summer.
 
Liverpool - defence probably. Cant see them being big spenders nor being able to attract better attacking players than what they have so yeah just defence

City - defence also, depending if Aguero goes maybe another striker

Chelsea - obviously a striker, maybe a new LB though they could easily just carry on playing Azpellawhatshisname there

Arsenal - also need a striker, doubt they'll actually get one though

Everton - one season wonder surely?

Spurs - too many to mention

Us - at least 1 top class CM, probably a new LB and possible a top class wide player
 
Would Fernando be a free signing? I've seen Bluemoon saying they'd pay £15m for him.

Yeah apparently around £12-15m, rumours are Porto made him sign a new contract to prevent him leaving for free, they threatened to put him in the reserves which he obviously couldn't risk in a World Cup year.
 
More attractive how?

I've said I don't think we'll be in for the others, but if we win the league and offer the going rates then there's no reason why we can't sign one of them.

I don't think you'll be in for Kroos or Koke either, because it would be a pointless endevaour. A bit like United chasing Fabregas last summer.

I think this season has gone to your head a tad, you're talking about a few of the most in demand players in Europe. Even if you win the league - I think City will though - so what? It's one isolated success after a run of finishing 7th. United have won 5 of the last 7 league titles and have more money that you do, yet we've struggled to make the type of signing you're talking about here.
 
Of all of the title contenders I think Chelsea are going to be the most radically different.

Obviously they'll bring in a world class striker, but I'm in agreement with a few here that they'd be pretty mad not to sign Shaw. Move Azpilicueta back to his natural RB position with Shaw on the left. Just imagine how good the left side of their attack would be with Hazard and Shaw over there. Currently Hazard has to take on 2 or 3 defenders when he receives the ball out there because Azpilicueta doesn't overlap often and isn't an offensive threat. If he had the pace and technical ability of Shaw to play off of and to draw defenders away from him that could be special.

Then on the other side you have the ridiculous work rates of both Willian and Azpilicueta. Their defense could be even better next season than it is this one.

Almost as important as a striker for them is a new midfielder in the Koké/Kroos/Modrić mould. Someone to pull the strings.

If they make these signings they'll have one hell of a side. They've been able to advance to the last 4 of the CL with midfielders like an ancient Lampard, Luiz, and with that liability Ramires. I'd imagine that next season when Matic isn't cup tied and if they sign another as well as a striker they'll be a real contender to win the thing again.
 
Why do you disagree?

They've been an average team for a long time and haven't won the league for over 20 years, they have less money than their competitors and offer lower wages. One season of good football isn't enough to make Liverpool an attractive club for the best players. We've seen clubs have good seasons before and players/agents aren't that fickle.

It isn't even a great squad IMO - no matter what happens this season, both City and Chelsea will go in to 2014/15 as favourites ahead of Pool. Both have better teams anyway, plus more money to improve in the summer.

Because they're Liverpool. Their status is huge. Add to that the fact they are currently title contenders and a side on the up, plus they have arguably the 3rd best player in the world, I think some (but admittedly not all) really good players would be open to a move to Liverpool. Admittedly Liverpool would need to do a good job of marketing their "project" to the player and agent. I think Rodgers is quite good at that sort of stuff though, being a Mourinho-wannabe when it comes to psychology. And Liverpool as a club are well versed in selling their history and prestige to players or anyone that will listen. Pretty much every player they sign comes out and says Liverpool are the biggest club in England soon after they join - most of them even seem to believe it.

There's also the possibility I'm just fearing the worst, which would be Liverpool usurping our attempts to sign a top-level, creative centre mid. Tactically it would be smart from them though - capitalizing on their success this season and trying to prevent United from strengthening.

It will really come down to money though. I have no idea if Liverpool would be interested in spending those kind of sums, but if they were then it's possible.
 
I think Rodgers will go for:

A left back
A winger
A striker
A centre midfielder
A right sided centre back

And I think we'll bring back Ilori and Suso and maybe Wisdom.

That'd give us a big enough squad.

Don't forget we still have Assaidi as a wing option, he's done alright in his spell at Stoke when he's not been injured. Borini aswell, but not sure if they'll stay.

I think we'll be definitely in again for a winger, most likely be back in for Konoplyanka, providing Ayre can manage to beat off Spurs this time round. A striker to replace Aspas on the bench who I think we'll farm out. A decent left back is top priority, with Enrique to come back. Maybe someone in midfield, mainly a defensive type midfielder to cover Lucas when he usually gets injured mid season. One of Agger, Skrtel, Toure will leave, hopefully it's Toure so probably need Cb cover there.

Arsenal and Chelsea's main priority is both competing for the world class striker they both badly need. Chelsea have got a lot of good loan players to welcome back.

City will buy a world class centre half and sell off their English rubbish.. Lescott, Sinclair, Rodwell.. They'll probably buy a top striker for the sake of it. Dzeko may possibly leave.

Spurs may have to take a hit on some of their players if they end up selling the ones they brought in. But their neglected defence needs sorting out, both fullback areas, and another CB, striker aswel maybe..soldado doesn't look like the striker they thought they bought. Not a bad squad overall, just needs a top manager to manage it.
 
Don't forget we still have Assaidi as a wing option, he's done alright in his spell at Stoke when he's not been injured. Borini aswell, but not sure if they'll stay.

I think we'll be definitely in again for a winger, most likely be back in for Konoplyanka, providing Ayre can manage to beat off Spurs this time round. A striker to replace Aspas on the bench who I think we'll farm out. A decent left back is top priority, with Enrique to come back. Maybe someone in midfield, mainly a defensive type midfielder to cover Lucas when he usually gets injured mid season. One of Agger, Skrtel, Toure will leave, hopefully it's Toure so probably need Cb cover there.

Arsenal and Chelsea's main priority is both competing for the world class striker they both badly need. Chelsea have got a lot of good loan players to welcome back.

City will buy a world class centre half and sell off their English rubbish.. Lescott, Sinclair, Rodwell.. They'll probably buy a top striker for the sake of it. Dzeko may possibly leave.

Spurs may have to take a hit on some of their players if they end up selling the ones they brought in. But their neglected defence needs sorting out, both fullback areas, and another CB, striker aswel maybe..soldado doesn't look like the striker they thought they bought. Not a bad squad overall, just needs a top manager to manage it.

Assaidi is nowhere near good enough for us. He's a million miles away.

I don't think we need a defensive midfielder. Gerrard has been top class and I think Rodgers will be happy with him and Lucas. I think Agger will be off, Skrtel too if a decent offer comes in.
 
Because they're Liverpool. Their status is huge. Add to that the fact they are currently title contenders and a side on the up, plus they have arguably the 3rd best player in the world, I think some (but admittedly not all) really good players would be open to a move to Liverpool. Admittedly Liverpool would need to do a good job of marketing their "project" to the player and agent. I think Rodgers is quite good at that sort of stuff though, being a Mourinho-wannabe when it comes to psychology. And Liverpool as a club are well versed in selling their history and prestige to players or anyone that will listen. Pretty much every player they sign comes out and says Liverpool are the biggest club in England soon after they join - most of them even seem to believe it.

There's also the possibility I'm just fearing the worst, which would be Liverpool usurping our attempts to sign a top-level, creative centre mid. Tactically it would be smart from them though - capitalizing on their success this season and trying to prevent United from strengthening.

It will really come down to money though. I have no idea if Liverpool would be interested in spending those kind of sums, but if they were then it's possible.

I don't think their status is huge or relevant at all really. It's a nice little PR tool and something for their fans to cling to, plus - as you say - something for new players to mention when they sign. But I don't think success in the 80's has any real pull to be honest - as it doesn't for Ajax or any other side. Koke wasn't even born when Liverpool last won the league, so why would he give a shit?

Not having a pop at you but I've seen posters moan about how United can no longer attract good players because we'll miss the CL for one season, yet at the same time expect Liverpool to reel in players partially on the back off success in the 1980's. I do think you are fearing the worst.

I don't think they're a side on the up either - the only way from here is down as far as I can see. Of course you can never be sure, but I think its far more likely that Liverpool lose out to Chelsea or City next season than finish the season ahead of both. This is as good a chance they'll get to capitalise and win a title and I don't think its sustainable - they have worse players and worse finances. What they do have is a very good manager, but so do City and in particular Chelsea.
 
I don't tHink their status is huge or relevant at all really. It's a nice little PR tool and something for their fans to cling to, plus - as you say - something for new players to mention when they sign. But I don't think success in the 80's has any real pull to be honest - as it doesn't for Ajax or any other side. Koke wasn't even born when Liverpool last won the league, so why would he give a shit?

Not having a pop at you but I've seen posters moan about how United can no longer attract good players because we'll miss the CL for one season, yet at the same time expect Liverpool to reel in players partially on the back off success in the 1980's. I do think you are fearing the worst.

I don't think they're a side on the up either - the only way from here is down as far as I can see. Of course you can never be sure, but I think its far more likely that Liverpool lose out to Chelsea or City next season than finish the season ahead of both. This is as good a chance they'll get to capitalise and win a title and I don't think its sustainable - they have worse players and worse finances. What they do have is a very good manager, but so do City and in particular Chelsea.

Of course it has relevance. The comparison of Liverpool and Ajax is a terrible one. Liverpool are the most successful club in the biggest league in the world. Ajax are the most successful club in a league that has rapidly declined.

The only way from here is down? Well, we're top of the league so we won't be going up. We have worse players yet still find ourselves ahead of them. Funny, eh? With better players and a bigger squad, who knows, Rodgers might actually improve.
 
I don't think their status is huge or relevant at all really. It's a nice little PR tool and something for their fans to cling to, plus - as you say - something for new players to mention when they sign. But I don't think success in the 80's has any real pull to be honest - as it doesn't for Ajax or any other side. Koke wasn't even born when Liverpool last won the league, so why would he give a shit?

Not having a pop at you but I've seen posters moan about how United can no longer attract good players because we'll miss the CL for one season, yet at the same time expect Liverpool to reel in players partially on the back off success in the 1980's. I do think you are fearing the worst.

I don't think they're a side on the up either - the only way from here is down as far as I can see. Of course you can never be sure, but I think its far more likely that Liverpool lose out to Chelsea or City next season than finish the season ahead of both. This is as good a chance they'll get to capitalise and win a title and I don't think its sustainable - they have worse players and worse finances. What they do have is a very good manager, but so do City and in particular Chelsea.

It's cool I don't take it personally. Yeah, I agree I still think we will be able to attract top players despite not being in the CL (the doomsday posters annoy me too). But I do think Liverpool will be able to attract top players still. Even Spurs got players like Lamela and Eriksen when they were out of the CL, so Liverpool, being a bigger club and in the CL, could get players a level or two above that if they have the ambition to go for it.

I hope you're right of course.
 
Of course it has relevance. The comparison of Liverpool and Ajax is a terrible one. Liverpool are the most successful club in the biggest league in the world. Ajax are the most successful club in a league that has rapidly declined.

It has no relevance whatsoever, you're deluded if you think Koke or Kroos give a shit that you used to be a good side. Tell me why they care?

I picked Ajax because its hard to find teams that declined as quickly and definitively as Liverpool did. You can subsitite in any team that currently doesn't match their former successes - If Milan continue this decline the same will apply to them. Players don't want to give up their careers playing for a lesser side just because they used to be successful. I mean christ, listen to yourself. Maybe if they were English or supported Liverpool then it might have some sort of pull, but for the best Spanish and German players the fact that Pool won some trophies before they were born is an utter irrelevance.
 
It has no relevance whatsoever, you're deluded if you think Koke or Kroos give a shit that you used to be a good side. Tell me why they care?

I picked Ajax because its hard to find teams that declined as quickly and definitively as Liverpool did. You can subsitite in any team that currently doesn't match their former successes - If Milan continue this decline the same will apply to them. Players don't want to give up their careers playing for a lesser side just because they used to be successful. I mean christ, listen to yourself. Maybe if they were English or supported Liverpool then it might have some sort of pull, but for the best Spanish and German players the fact that Pool won some trophies before they were born is an utter irrelevance.

Players do care about history and prestige. It's foolish to think otherwise. We're quite good right now actually.

Comparing Ajax and Liverpool isn't a fair comparison, the leagues are totally different. We're top of the league. If Rodgers wins it and then goes on to replicate the success then they won't be playing for a lesser side.
 
What are Liverpool like financially? How much can they roughly spend on players come this Summer, for example?
 
Players do care about history and prestige. It's foolish to think otherwise. We're quite good right now actually.

Comparing Ajax and Liverpool isn't a fair comparison, the leagues are totally different. We're top of the league. If Rodgers wins it and then goes on to replicate the success then they won't be playing for a lesser side.
I don't think it plays into a players decision nearly as much as you think it does. Certain players maybe. Like RvP when he decided to come here over someone like City.

I would wager that this new generation of players wouldn't really care that Liverpool won a bunch of things before they were even born. I couldn't for example see a future superstar player like a Hazard or Neymar type player wanting to go to Liverpool because of their "history."
 
Players do care about history and prestige. It's foolish to think otherwise. We're quite good right now actually.

Comparing Ajax and Liverpool isn't a fair comparison, the leagues are totally different. We're top of the league. If Rodgers wins it and then goes on to replicate the success then they won't be playing for a lesser side.

It's three times now and you haven't told me why they care. Can you just briefly tell me why Koke or Kroos - the players we were talking about - give a shit that Liverpool used to have a great side.

I think they'll be more arsed about the fact you've finished an average of 7th for the past four seasons. Or the fact that you haven't won the league for nearly 25 years. Or the fact that you don't have the finances that other clubs do. Or the fact that your squad isn't amongst the best in Europe.

Forget the Ajax comparison - it doesn't matter - its the same for any club that used to be great, like I said the same would happen to Milan if they declined the way that you did. The point is that players will go to a club that is currently the most likely to win titles. Quite simply they care about the present because they care about their own careers - it's not complicated or difficult.
 
In the context of this thread its not only about the very top talents like Gundogan/Koke/Kroos. It's no guarantee even that we would be able to sign any of them, let alone Liverpool.

However United might be interested in players like,for example, Carvalho, Herrara or Schneiderlin*, and players at that level would be open to a move to Liverpool I think. If Liverpool choose to outbid us for them then we could lose out.

*maybe not the 3 best examples but I'm not really up to date with who are the hot transfer prospects right now
 
It's three times now and you haven't told me why they care. Can you just briefly tell me why Koke or Kroos - the players we were talking about - give a shit that Liverpool used to have a great side.

I think they'll be more arsed about the fact you've finished an average of 7th for the past four seasons. Or the fact that you haven't won the league for nearly 25 years. Or the fact that you don't have the finances that other clubs do. Or the fact that your squad isn't amongst the best in Europe.

Forget the Ajax comparison - it doesn't matter - its the same for any club that used to be great, like I said the same would happen to Milan if they declined the way that you did. The point is that players will go to a club that is currently the most likely to win titles. Quite simply they care about the present because they care about their own careers - it's not complicated or difficult.

Not every player will care, but many will. Why? Because joining a prestigious club and writing history their and joining a list of legends will mean a lot.

It's multiple times now I've said "If we win the league" so that 24 year stuff wouldn't apply. We're challenging for the title in one of the top 3 leagues. Logic says that we do have one of the better teams.

We've shown this year that our future looks bright. Rodgers has us playing great football and competing for the title. The present is bright and the future looks bright too.

We make the most money of any club not in the CL. Getting back in will see us easily move towards being in the top 6 or 7.
 
In the context of this thread its not only about the very top talents like Gundogan/Koke/Kroos. It's no guarantee even that we would be able to sign any of them, let alone Liverpool.

However United might be interested in players like,for example, Carvalho, Herrara or Schneiderlin*, and players at that level would be open to a move to Liverpool I think. If Liverpool choose to outbid us for them then we could lose out.

*maybe not the 3 best examples but I'm not really up to date with who are the hot transfer prospects right now

I'm quite confident that we'll blow Liverpool out the water in most cases. Just double the wages and we're there.
 
Not every player will care, but many will. Why? Because joining a prestigious club and writing history their and joining a list of legends will mean a lot.

It's multiple times now I've said "If we win the league" so that 24 year stuff wouldn't apply. We're challenging for the title in one of the top 3 leagues. Logic says that we do have one of the better teams.

We've shown this year that our future looks bright. Rodgers has us playing great football and competing for the title. The present is bright and the future looks bright too.
You have to admit that not being in Europe has been a MASSIVE reason that you're in the title hunt this season. Perhaps the reason. You won't have that luxury next season of having a week to rest in between matches.

Arsenal have proven for years now how difficult it is to compete on multiple fronts. It's a squad game. Liverpool have a weaker squad than about 4 clubs in England. Can't see you guys replicating this next season. Think you'll be in a fight for 4th.
 
You have to admit that not being in Europe has been a MASSIVE reason that you're in the title hunt this season. Perhaps the reason. You won't have that luxury next season of having a week to rest in between matches.

Arsenal have proven for years now how difficult it is to compete on multiple fronts. It's a squad game. Liverpool have a weaker squad than about 4 clubs in England. Can't see you guys replicating this next season. Think you'll be in a fight for 4th.

Tonnes of people say this, yet none explain why it hasn't happened at all the past 20 or so years. Atletico are coping fine at the moment. No reason why we can't.

Arsenal, to be blunt, are moronic with their transfers.
 
Tonnes of people say this, yet none explain why it hasn't happened at all the past 20 or so years. Atletico are coping fine at the moment. No reason why we can't.

Arsenal, to be blunt, are moronic with their transfers.
Perfect aligning of the stars for your lot this year.

City and Chelsea with new managers who are/have been juggling 3 or 4 competitions at once, us with a totally incompetent new manager, Spurs changing managers, losing their best player, and spunking down the worst £100m we've ever seen, and Arsenal being Arsenal.

Couldn't ask for more, could you? Perfect storm that won't happen next season.
 
Perfect aligning of the stars for your lot this year.

City and Chelsea with new managers who are/have been juggling 3 or 4 competitions at once, us with a totally incompetent new manager, Spurs changing managers, losing their best player, and spunking down the worst £100m we've ever seen, and Arsenal being Arsenal.

Couldn't ask for more, could you? Perfect storm that won't happen next season.

City and Chelsea will still be juggling with 4 competitions. You'll still have Moyes. Spurs are still Spurs. Arsenal will still be Arsenal.
 
City and Chelsea will still be juggling with 4 competitions. You'll still have Moyes. Spurs are still Spurs. Arsenal will still be Arsenal.
City and Chelsea will significantly improve squads that are already superior to yours. Arsenal should as well.

I think yourselves and us will be battling for the last CL spot.
 
Why? Because joining a prestigious club and writing history their and joining a list of legends will mean a lot.

Yeah, I think you're a bit deluded with it all really. Scousers do this all the time, you get so wrapped up in your history and wind up believing others view it the same way. They really don't, particulartly foreign players - which is who we were talking about.

You didn't like the Ajax comparison but the reason I used them is because they have such a wonderful history - no doubt better than Pool's on the continent, given the legends who played there - but its irrelevant when players judge their present careers. The bottom line is that 99% of players want the best career for themsleves, not in a selfish way but just because as a driven professional you want to be successful. You might be wrapped up in the past, but players are not.

If you aren't a fan of Liverpool, or at least English, then Pool's 80's success is irrelevant. I don't even actually think you're that 'prestigious' anymore, simply because its been so long since you were a good side. You have some good history but that isn't the same as currently being a prestigious club.

Anyway, your basic reasons I don't think are good ones. Fundamentally I think you're ignoring the fact that top players like Kroos have their pick of 'prestigious' clubs - and most of these haven't declined as you have. But more importantly, given the calibre of clubs Liverpool are competing with for these top players I don't actually think your history has any pull at all. I mean why would writing history at Liverpool and joining King Kenny and Stevie G on a list of legends be more attractive than writing history at Madrid and joing Di Stefano and Zidane, or Milan with Baresi and Maldini, or Bayern with Matthaus and the Kaiser?

Not only is your success so outdated as to become irrelevant, but it isn't even as rich as other clubs competing for the likes of Kroos - clubs that have had better teams and better players than anything Liverpool have. And of course, clubs that haven't swapped that success for medicority the way that Liverpool did.

This isn't really the thread for it, but that 80's team doesn't compare to some of the other great European sides. You say that these top transfer targets like Koke would like to 'write their history and join the list of legends at Liverpool'.. In that 15 years of success how many players do you think Koke could even name. I bet he wouldn't get over five and none of them all time greats with the pull that legends at other clubs do.
 
Theon is giving a perception as an arrogant. I really disagree with him here.

Liverpool at the moment are playing the best football on England. If they win the title they won't be anymore the club who hasn't won it for 2-3 decades, they will be the current champions. They have the best player in the league. They have a progressive manager who knows how to develop attacking players. They will have UCL football next season. And I am not even talking about their history and how many fans around the world they still have.

If they can match other clubs offers then there is no reason to suggest that the players will refuse them. In fact, if United and Liverpool at the moment offer the same wages for a player (who doesn't support any of these two clubs), I think that it is more likely that they will choose Liverpool.
 
Theon is giving a perception as an arrogant. I really disagree with him here.

Liverpool at the moment are playing the best football on England. If they win the title they won't be anymore the club who hasn't won it for 2-3 decades, they will be the current champions. They have the best player in the league. They have a progressive manager who knows how to develop attacking players. They will have UCL football next season. And I am not even talking about their history and how many fans around the world they still have.

If they can match other clubs offers then there is no reason to suggest that the players will refuse them. In fact, if United and Liverpool at the moment offer the same wages for a player (who doesn't support any of these two clubs), I think that it is more likely that they will choose Liverpool.
I dont know if no cl football will stop players wanting to join but I expect their agents to earn their money and extract a premium plus probably insist on buy out clauses should we not qualify next year as well
 
Chelsea - Striker, CB, and LB
Liverpool - CM
Arsenal - Winger
City - CB, Striker (if Dzeko leaves)