Where is the genius...

Plechazunga

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...who's going to unite dance music with classical?

I don't mean sampling three seconds of harpsichord off a feckin synth, or using a bit of aria for a hook in a shite trance track. I mean properly complex shit.

I've been waiting for it to happen for about fifteen years.
 
You sit and listen to most classical music, you dance to dance music. I don't really see the compatibility?
 
Tiesto's adagio for strings is a decent track.
 
Apparently, Kernkraft's Zombienation was orignally a piece by Haydn.
 
Nah, at some point some genius will start doing it. I don't mean just sampling Also Sprach Zarathustra and sticking a beat under it, I mean proper composition. It will be amazing.

Though maybe Wibbs is right and it already has... someone needs to do a gif - "STOP. HANDEL TIME."
 
I don't think it will work Plech, it's one of those things that sounds good on paper. To be able to dance to music it generally needs to be in a simple time signature, keep a constant tempo and have a repeating bass-line. With those limitations you've already stripped away some of the most interesting features of more complex 'classical' music.

You'll either end up with a simple piece of orchestral music with a beat underneath or a complex piece of music that you can't dance to. If I have some spare time I might work on trying to disprove my theory.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
I don't think it will work Plech, it's one of those things that sounds good on paper. To be able to dance to music it generally needs to be in a simple time signature, keep a constant tempo and have a repeating bass-line. With those limitations you've already stripped away some of the most interesting features of more complex 'classical' music.

You'll either end up with a simple piece of orchestral music with a beat underneath or a complex piece of music that you can't dance to. If I have some spare time I might work on trying to disprove my theory.
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I don't agree with this notion that dance music is just for dancing to. I listen to it more than I dance to it. Though there's something in what you say, even if you're not dancing something in you is.

And there's plenty of classical music with quite simple time signatures. A lot of Bach, for instance, some of that stuff would sound amazing with a beat.
 
But then you're just putting a beat under Bach. You could do that yourself and it wouldn't add much to the music. In fact I think it would probably make you feel the rhythm more and miss out on the harmonic content.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
Lady Gaga will pull it off.
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You always have to bring things back to your cock don't you Dwayne

MikeUpNorth said:
But then you're just putting a beat under Bach. You could do that yourself and it wouldn't add much to the music. In fact I think it would probably make you feel the rhythm more and miss out on the harmonic content.
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Yes I agree actually, I don't really mean sticking a beat under existing music. I mean a composer who's a virtuoso in both areas bringing them together. Though he might sample some older stuff as motifs, because ideally it would be cuts, samples, basslines etc., the whole shebang.
 
Some cnut's going to mention Muse and make me want to die. I can feel it.
 
Plechazunga said:
...who's going to unite dance music with classical?

I don't mean sampling three seconds of harpsichord off a feckin synth, or using a bit of aria for a hook in a shite trance track. I mean properly complex shit.

I've been waiting for it to happen for about fifteen years.
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Metal's already done it with mixed results.

Therion and Empyrium being rather good.
 
Music for 18 Musicians by Steve Reich. It's not dead-Teuton-in-a-wig classical, and it doesn't have drums, and the several simultaneous rhythms will perhaps lead to peculiar dancing, and in fact I just felt like mentioning Music for 18 Musicians somewhere, and this almost looked like a good place to do it.
 
Plechazunga said:
...who's going to unite dance music with classical?

I don't mean sampling three seconds of harpsichord off a feckin synth, or using a bit of aria for a hook in a shite trance track. I mean properly complex shit.

I've been waiting for it to happen for about fifteen years.
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Someone did it with that "Willem Dafoe is dying" music from Platoon.

I liked it
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Some cnut's going to mention Muse and make me want to die. I can feel it.
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Why would they? Muse have taken prog rock with a few classical overtones and mixed it with mental conspiracy theories, and they're great.

But they've not mixed dance and classical music, and I don't think anyone would claim they had.

It'd be like claiming that Nirvana were one of the greatest hip hop acts of the nineties.
 
Plechazunga said:
...who's going to unite dance music with classical?

I don't mean sampling three seconds of harpsichord off a feckin synth, or using a bit of aria for a hook in a shite trance track. I mean properly complex shit.

I've been waiting for it to happen for about fifteen years.
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This always reminded me of some kind of classical movement - not that I have much of a clue about classical music to be honest:
 
MikeUpNorth said:
I don't think it will work Plech, it's one of those things that sounds good on paper. To be able to dance to music it generally needs to be in a simple time signature, keep a constant tempo and have a repeating bass-line. With those limitations you've already stripped away some of the most interesting features of more complex 'classical' music.

You'll either end up with a simple piece of orchestral music with a beat underneath or a complex piece of music that you can't dance to. If I have some spare time I might work on trying to disprove my theory.
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I don't agree with that. Or at least, yes that's true of more mainstream dance, but there are more than enough weird subgenres and experimental artists who mess around with some fairly complex time signatures/rhythms etc.

Plus you say that "you dance to dance music, you sit and listen to classical" - well maybe now, but a lot of classical music is dance music of it's time and was written to dance to. Granted a very different kind of dancing, but it's still dance music with rhythms and beats that people moved to on a dance floor. So I'm with Plech on this, I don't see why someone can't fuse the two properly and presumably at some point someone will
 
Also when the OP says 'dance music' - i assume he really means electronic music so the issue of whether you can dance to it or not is not that important - I guess the label of IDM (inteligent dance music) is often given to electronic music that is made for listening to rather than actually dancing.

Ive always thought that if some of the classical music greats were alive today then they would be producing some IDM type stuff.

BTW i noticed that Alarm Will Sound was posted above - I do like that stuff - although it is basically an Aphex Twin covers album rather than an electronic/classical fusion
 
Carl Craig & Moritz von Oswald - Recomposed

It's the real deal

Works by Ravel and Mussorgsky

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MikeUpNorth said:
Some cnut's going to mention Muse and make me want to die. I can feel it.
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Plechazunga said:
Muse have succeeded in that other great fusion quest - uniting Radiohead with music that isn't Radiohead, but is quite dull
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:lol::lol:

Anyway, it's an interesting idea and one that I don't see any reason for not working, all it would take is for, as you say, a 'Genius' to come along and find the inspiration to do it.

I don't see why a full orchestra couldn't sit in a studio with a couple of electronic wiz kids and jam any differently or any less successfully than a regular band would, infact, the more I think about it the more I want someone to do it, something nice and dark similar to what Kris posted above, good tune btw.
 
Julian Casablancas from the Strokes tried to do just that in his solo album. He studied classical music and is in awe of Benjamin Britten, and at the same time is at the helm of one of the most creative bands in rock music (arguably).

There's a bit of Bach in this one, is this what you think of Plech? Check the solo at 3:23 !


 
Plechazunga said:
...who's going to unite dance music with classical?

I don't mean sampling three seconds of harpsichord off a feckin synth, or using a bit of aria for a hook in a shite trance track. I mean properly complex shit.

I've been waiting for it to happen for about fifteen years.
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Already done circa 1960. Nut Rocker by B Bumble and the Stingers.
 
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