Where exactly did Radiohead go wrong?

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The Bono thread got me thinking. Of course, Yorke & co. are of a different class to be sure. But the redundant argument is did they overthink it after OK? I'm of the mind that they did. Quite obviously. They made one of the greatest rock albums ever, progressively at that. One that stood and still stands up to the likes of Revolver, Dark Side of the Moon and Aftermath. And although their double album offering of Talking Headsesque rythymic rock which no other band could've made without the pipes of Mr. Yorke was mind blowing, there's no doubting the fact that they shat on tracks of OK Computer quality solely due to the fear of making the same record. They quite easily could've made another OK before moving onto the digital madness.

So, in short, feck them.
 
What the feck?

In Rainbows is their best work in my opinion other than OK Computer.

What a strange thread, they changed their sound and never really took much away from their music.
 
I'm trying to challenge you lads and lassies as most of the truly notable rock bliss has come from England. Are you all seriously content to sit back and think Radiohead are some sort of rock Ghandis?
 
Anderson Searl said:
Bold, considering I am a musician and it's pretty much my life.

By musician, I play drums, guitar, and i'm a rapper
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Therein lies the problem. There are three parts that compose music... rhythm, melody and harmony. 99.9% of rap addresses only one of these.
 
Ah, so we're going to use the RAP excuse as a reason to how I have no clue about music?

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Biggest load of bias and unknowledgable bullshit i've ever seen, and it happens more than less.

How can you judge one's opinion and ability to rate music based on them being a rapper?

Hip-Hop gives praise to all three of those traits you mention, it's called research and development my man, which is something Radiohead has done to perfection.

The last thing I want to hear is a group go on for decades sounding exactly the same, that's called not being creative.

Radiohead made tinkers to their sound and transformed their genre, and have pulled it off to great critical acclaim across the board, and it pays dues to their career as one of musics most innovative groups.

They put their album online, for free, and STILL sold more records than the vast majority of releases over the last decade.

THAT is a brilliant group, and my judgement of them is no less knowledgable than yours.
 
Are you willing to follow the Radiohead ride or not Mr Curr?

If not, feck you I guess.
 
Anderson Searl said:
Ah, so we're going to use the RAP excuse as a reason to how I have no clue about music?

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Biggest load of bias and unknowledgable bullshit i've ever seen, and it happens more than less.

How can you judge one's opinion and ability to rate music based on them being a rapper?

Hip-Hop gives praise to all three of those traits you mention, it's called research and development my man, which is something Radiohead has done to perfection.

The last thing I want to hear is a group go on for decades sounding exactly the same, that's called not being creative.

Radiohead made tinkers to their sound and transformed their genre, and have pulled it off to great critical acclaim across the board, and it pays dues to their career as one of musics most innovative groups.

They put their album online, for free, and STILL sold more records than the vast majority of releases over the last decade.

THAT is a brilliant group, and my judgement of them is no less knowledgable than yours.
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Fail to see where a picture of Obama fits into this discussion although I have a quite clear idea why it's there. So, you of like knowledge... What genre are Radiohead now?
 
RedNome said:
Are you willing to follow the Radiohead ride or not Mr Curr?

If not, feck you I guess.
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Fair play. If you're along for the ride I don't blame you. I was to shortly after the release of Kid A and Amnesiac. But seriously, have you heard Big Boots? Or Like Spinning Plates without the reverse lyrics? The ride is only respectable if the material they abandoned were a lesser animal. And clearly, the lesser animal was the technology.
 
JCurr said:
Fine. So I guess if I had delved into whether or not Yorke is a twat this would've stayed in the Gen?
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the other thread is talking about Bono as a person, which is fair because he does a lot of things outside of the band. your thread started talking about Radiohead the band. See the difference?
 
Better yet, will you lads do me the honor of turning me onto some rap or current supposed R&B which doesn't suck ass?
 
golden_blunder said:
the other thread is talking about Bono as a person, which is fair because he does a lot of things outside of the band. your thread started talking about Radiohead the band. See the difference?
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I do. I was just looking for an excuse to deem Thom a diva. But yes, your point is taken.
 
JCurr said:
Fail to see where a picture of Obama fits into this discussion although I have a quite clear idea why it's there. So, you of like knowledge... What genre are Radiohead now?
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So why is it there? :lol:

And they're a good mixture of Alternative Rock and Electronica, pretty much an experimental genre, the difference between them and others is they do it to perfection and it's beautiful.

I just don't see this as a reason to slate the group, sure that's your opinion and I respect it fully but there's other opinions too, and those other opinons are the general publics.
 
Anderson Searl said:
So why is it there? :lol:

And they're a good mixture of Alternative Rock and Electronica, pretty much an experimental genre, the difference between them and others is they do it to perfection and it's beautiful.

I just don't see this as a reason to slate the group, sure that's your opinion and I respect it fully but there's other opinions too, and those other opinons are the general publics.
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:lol: I'm guessing you think I have no appreciation of Gaye, Coltrane or any of the notable R&B greats of the great R&B era. However, let me say that race has no play in my take on rap or current 'R&B'(note the quotations as talentless fecks such as Beyonce and Mos Def are regarded as talent these days) as I deem Andre300 and Dre geniuses. And Davis and Coltrane are absolute legends in my book. So yes, there is the general public opinion... the opinion that Daltry or whatever blonde haired whore with a decent 'Oh ooh whoa ooh' is a fecking star... That means shite.
 
JCurr said:
The Bono thread got me thinking. Of course, Yorke & co. are of a different class to be sure. But the redundant argument is did they overthink it after OK? I'm of the mind that they did. Quite obviously. They made one of the greatest rock albums ever, progressively at that. One that stood and still stands up to the likes of Revolver, Dark Side of the Moon and Aftermath. And although their double album offering of Talking Headsesque rythymic rock which no other band could've made without the pipes of Mr. Yorke was mind blowing, there's no doubting the fact that they shat on tracks of OK Computer quality solely due to the fear of making the same record. They quite easily could've made another OK before moving onto the digital madness.

So, in short, feck them.
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Where is this bono thread?
 
JCurr said:
:lol: I'm guessing you think I have no appreciation of Gaye, Coltrane or any of the notable R&B greats of the great R&B era. However, let me say that race has no play in my take on rap or current 'R&B'(note the quotations as talentless fecks such as Beyonce and Mos Def are regarded as talent these days) as I deem Andre300 and Dre geniuses. And Davis and Coltrane are absolute legends in my book. So yes, there is the general public opinion... the opinion that Daltry or whatever blonde haired whore with a decent 'Oh ooh whoa ooh' is a fecking star... That means shite.
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:lol: wider of the mark than an Anderson 18 yarder.

It's his reaction that I feel whenever people bring up Hip-Hop as a reason to have lesser opinion or knowledge on a band.

Has literally nothing at all to do with race :lol:.
 
JCurr said:
Name me one rap or supposed R&B artist that encompasses all three aside from Andre3000 and Dr Dre...
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Well, most likely the problem isn't what you've heard, but your strange definitions of melody and harmony. Anyway, here is some rap that tends to go down well with people who don't normally listen to that shit, recently posted in another thread:

pillory said:
Listen to this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this and this.
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The selection wasn't made with melody and harmony in mind, though, but I don't have the time to do a new one right now. Maybe later.
 
Anyway back to the point. feck me Radiohead is a load of depressing shit.
 
Anderson Searl said:
:lol: wider of the mark than an Anderson 18 yarder.

It's his reaction that I feel whenever people bring up Hip-Hop as a reason to have lesser opinion or knowledge on a band.

Has literally nothing at all to do with race :lol:.
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That's the crux though. You have no knowledge of the division of R&B and Hip Hop.
 
JCurr said:
Therein lies the problem. There are three parts that compose music... rhythm, melody and harmony. 99.9% of rap addresses only one of these.
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JCurr said:
Name me one rap or supposed R&B artist that encompasses all three aside from Andre3000 and Dr Dre...
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Actually, I think the vast majority of rap music that I listen to contains harmonic and melodic elements to accompany the rapping which is the focal point of the music. You would be right if you had said that the rhythmic delivery of rhymes by an MC defines the genre of rap, but to say (or at least imply) that rap music is only comprised of rhythmic layers and phrases and totally neglects harmony and melody is a little ignorant in my opinion.

An MC can rap with or without accompaniment. Most rap music features an MC rapping over an accompaniment which contains both melodic and harmonic characteristics that when combined with rhythmic vocals and a drum loop produce some steady, interesting grooves.

What you have said about rap music only addressing one of these elements (presumably you meant rhythm) seems to overlook that fact that rap music uses samples from other genres of music, many of which contain more prominent melodic and harmonic elements.
 
How do I not?

Why did you even make this a discussion in hip-hop & R&B, stemming the attention away from your off-colored Radiohead remarks?
 
Moz said:
Actually, I think the vast majority of rap music that I listen to contains harmonic and melodic elements to accompany the rapping which is the focal point of the music. You would be right if you had said that the rhythmic delivery of rhymes by an MC defines the genre of rap, but to say (or at least imply) that rap music is only comprised of rhythmic layers and phrases and totally neglects harmony and melody is a little ignorant in my opinion.

An MC can rap with or without accompaniment. Most rap music features an MC rapping over an accompaniment which contains both melodic and harmonic characteristics that when combined with rhythmic vocals and a drum loop produce some steady, interesting grooves.

What you have said about rap music only addressing one of these elements (presumably you meant rhythm) seems to overlook that fact that rap music uses samples from other genres of music, many of which contain more prominent melodic and harmonic elements.
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Ding ding ding ding

We have a winner.

Now back to the greatest band in the world; Radiohead.
 
Anderson Searl said:
How do I not?

Why did you even make this a discussion in hip-hop & R&B, stemming the attention away from your off-colored Radiohead remarks?
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Because he's obviously a spastic as helpfully shown in every thread he's posted in so far today.
 
Anderson Searl said:
How do I not?

Why did you even make this a discussion in hip-hop & R&B, stemming the attention away from your off-colored Radiohead remarks?
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You still haven't labeled Radiohead. What genre are they? And in terms of hip hop and R&B, please label your greats. There's no spilling of the guts like listing the tops of a genre. So spill it. I'd love you to pass. Not many do. But don't be sad. Not many have lived the oblivious bliss I have.
 
JCurr said:
You still haven't labeled Radiohead. What genre are they? And in terms of hip hop and R&B, please label your greats. There's no spilling of the guts like listing the tops of a genre. So spill it. I'd love yo to pass. Not many do. But don't be sad. Not many have lived the oblivious bliss I have.
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Try reading the thread you started :rolleyes:
 
JCurr said:
They quite easily could've made another OK before moving onto the digital madness.

So, in short, feck them.
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You obviously dont know what you are talking about.
Radiohead did make another OK Computer - its called 'Hail To The Thief'.


JCurr said:
Name me one rap or supposed R&B artist that encompasses all three aside from Andre3000 and Dr Dre...
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We dont need to because you already named 2 which makes your earlier point completely redundant - good job mate :smirk:

in fact your comments about rap shows you are completely ignorant of that genre as well- yes all the 'hip pop' crap that is in the charts nowadays is a waste of time but there is a lot more out there.
 
RedNome said:
Because he's obviously a spastic as helpfully shown in every thread he's posted in so far today.
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Learn me something then, friend. I get me rocks off while on benders in most threads on this forum. But in terms of music, you'll not ever get the better of me. Be assured of that. So you being a superior apparently, what am I not aware of?
 
roodboy said:
You obviously dont know what you are talking about.
Radiohead did make another OK Computer - its called 'Hail To The Thief'.
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feck sake. Have a listen at the double album they made after Ok. If anything, it's a mutt of those two and The Bends. A regular music critic, you are.
 
JCurr said:
You still haven't labeled Radiohead. What genre are they? And in terms of hip hop and R&B, please label your greats. There's no spilling of the guts like listing the tops of a genre. So spill it. I'd love you to pass. Not many do. But don't be sad. Not many have lived the oblivious bliss I have.
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RedNome said:
Try reading the thread you started :rolleyes:
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Anderson Searl said:
So why is it there? :lol:

And they're a good mixture of Alternative Rock and Electronica, pretty much an experimental genre, the difference between them and others is they do it to perfection and it's beautiful.

I just don't see this as a reason to slate the group, sure that's your opinion and I respect it fully but there's other opinions too, and those other opinons are the general publics.
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Sweet jesus.

As for my Hip-Hop greats, it varies really from generation to generation, sound to sound, I find it daft when folks rank their "Top 10 dead or alive" because everyone has contributed to the genre.

That said, I do have favorites: Masta Ace, Jay-Z, Atmosphere, Outkast, Classified, Ludacris, Talib Kweli, Busta Rhymes (Pre-Aftermath), Mobb Deep (Pre-Aftermath), Eminem, to name a VERY small list of people I enjoy.
 
JCurr said:
feck sake. Have a listen at the double album they made after Ok. If anything, it's a mutt of those two and The Bends. A regular music critic, you are.
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I have no idea what you are on about.
Radiohead have never released a double album
 
Anderson Searl said:
Sweet jesus.

As for my Hip-Hop greats, it varies really from generation to generation, sound to sound, I find it daft when folks rank their "Top 10 dead or alive" because everyone has contributed to the genre.

That said, I do have favorites: Masta Ace, Jay-Z, Atmosphere, Outkast, Classified, Ludacris, Talib Kweli, Busta Rhymes (Pre-Aftermath), Mobb Deep (Pre-Aftermath), Eminem, to name a VERY small list of people I enjoy.
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Well, my friend... You're done in this argument. Ludacris or any of the rest of these commercial fecks you list? feck sake. You really think they have the talent of foresight of Gaye or even Jackson? Busta Rhymes for feck sake! You might as well list Flavor Flav! And hilariously, the only reason you list Eminem is due to Dr. Dre's contributions. But you don't see it. What a joke.
 
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