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Where do you stand on re-signing players that have failed?
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Not forgetting he was still a teen. Very difficult circumstances for anyone.
I don't think I have a firm stance on it, rather case by case. In the case of Depay I'd say no. He did well in Dutch league, struggled here and then did well in French league. Maybe that's roughly his level because he didn't impress me much other than a handful of games.
Nope, Memphis came a year later.
I don't think there should be a general rule to follow here. Each case should be looked at separately. A lot of young players won't be able to have a full chance here, so nothing wrong with them returning after proving themselves.
I don't look at it any different to any other player.
I wouldn't have signed Fernandes based on his stint in Italy but he went to another level as a player at Sporting. If someone does that after an initial stint at Utd that's fine.
I wouldn't have signed Fernandes based on his stint in Italy but he went to another level as a player at Sporting. If someone does that after an initial stint at Utd that's fine.
Having seen Rashford and Martial at their worst, there were definitely times when I thought I would have Wilf, as Ian Wright calls him, Zaha back from Crystal Palace although he is no world beater, he would have added more than those two were doing.
Matic wasn’t really a a failure as such in his first spell. Just some kid we scouted and never gave a real chance to because we had Mikel. He blossomed almost as soon as we let him go.
It has to be a case by case thing surely? I’m sure Chelsea would taken back Salah at any point in the last 5 years for example. You’re not really looking at how good or bad they were at your club. You’re just assessing them as you would any potential signing - how good are they now and how well do they fit into the team now.
No.
Its that simple.
Its that simple.
If they clearly improved by leaps and bounds, why not.
In regards to depay well, he didn't so no.
In regards to depay well, he didn't so no.
I don’t believe the Depay rumours
but if we’re desperate and he was cheap, it would be better than nothing
but if we’re desperate and he was cheap, it would be better than nothing
It depends why they failed. Wrong manager, wrong time? Perhaps. Wrong attitude? No.
It doesn't happen that often...most of the players we have resigned in our history haven't been failed in the first instance so buying them back made sense.
Even Pogba wasn't a failure in his first spell...Ferguson just wouldn't guarantee him playing time and Pogba (his agents) refused to sign the contract he was offered.
So basically, the discussion is around Depay who is the only real player the media are suggesting we are interested in who had an underwhelming career for us.
Even Pogba wasn't a failure in his first spell...Ferguson just wouldn't guarantee him playing time and Pogba (his agents) refused to sign the contract he was offered.
So basically, the discussion is around Depay who is the only real player the media are suggesting we are interested in who had an underwhelming career for us.
They are failures!
If a player “failed” when he was still young then that’s basically irrelevant to whether or not they will be a success on their return. Does anyone think Chelsea should turn down De Bruyne or Salah if they were available?
The answer is that it depends on the circumstances. A footballer can go through a bad patch, be sold and become great. In such a case, a great player being available to fill a need and at the right price, a deal is there to be had.
I guess it depends on how you define failure. If it's a young player leaving, maturing and then returning then I don't think they were really a failure to begin with.
If a player is at an age where they aren't a youngster and leave because they aren't good enough to get into the first team then it has to be done on a case by case basis and it depends on their role in the first team.
If United signed a player like Antony and brought in Depay as backup then, as long as he wasn't on mega money, I don't think anybody would be averse to that. However, he hasn't turned into a Salah or Haaland so shouldn't be leading the line.
If a player is at an age where they aren't a youngster and leave because they aren't good enough to get into the first team then it has to be done on a case by case basis and it depends on their role in the first team.
If United signed a player like Antony and brought in Depay as backup then, as long as he wasn't on mega money, I don't think anybody would be averse to that. However, he hasn't turned into a Salah or Haaland so shouldn't be leading the line.
Failures should NEVER be re-hired.
Players like Blind or Depay simply aren't good enough to play for a top team in the EPL and although we are not a top team, we are aspiring to become one.
Hence, failed players should be left in the past.
Players like Blind or Depay simply aren't good enough to play for a top team in the EPL and although we are not a top team, we are aspiring to become one.
Hence, failed players should be left in the past.
I have no problem with it in principal, players get better, situations change etc, but obviously depends on the player.
I would be adamantly against bringing Depay back for example as I just don't think he is good enough
I would be adamantly against bringing Depay back for example as I just don't think he is good enough
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If Chelsea had re-signed Salah and KdB then they have won much more than they have. Romeu shouldn’t have been sold either and got no opportunity at the club.
That said they brought back Lukaku and have been trying to get Ake again..
Remind me why everyone raves about how well run they are?!
That said they brought back Lukaku and have been trying to get Ake again..
Remind me why everyone raves about how well run they are?!
A relevant question will be "why did the player fail?". Is it because of the system we played that did not accommodate him, or was it due to lack of effort or poor attitude? If former and we have changed our style of play since, sure, it's worth taking a punt. Players like Diego Forlan who did not do well for us have gone on to have really successful careers with other clubs and at national level. Also Bebe.
Nothing against them, depending on their development and our needs since their first departure. I wouldn't be too keen on Depay unless it's as a last minute replacement/need for depth, relatively cheap signing, decent wages (not extortionate/overpaying) and he comes with the expectations of being a backup/fight his way into the team.
We signed Depay the year after.
Glad I'm not the only one
Sometimes a player just isn't cut out to be a United player despite performing well at another sometimes smaller) club.
Whenever we were linked with re-signing Zaha, I always thought no.
Whenever we were linked with re-signing Zaha, I always thought no.
Well said!
I don't even like the players coming back after half time!
If they arent good enough to win a game in the first half they should be nowehere near a club like ours!.
Players are signed based on current abilities, end of.
You certainly shouldn't re-sign players that have failed at your club and then have continued to fail since.
preach. leave the pitch to take a throw on? get the hell out of my club.
Just like with an old flame that took a while to get rid of - because she’s got a new hairdo and lost a bit of weight - the same shit that pissed you off first time around will come back to haunt you again.
Never go back over old ground. Never
Never go back over old ground. Never
Although I’m sure some could work out in a different system or under a different manager, generally, I’d say once they’re crap, never go back.
Adding an exception right away — desperate times call for desperate measures (and hopes). I hope that Martial will thrive in this new setting.
Adding an exception right away — desperate times call for desperate measures (and hopes). I hope that Martial will thrive in this new setting.