Where are the bargains?

devilish

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We are getting used now in bringing world class players with a massive price tag around their neck.

And yet I ask, is this the only solution to bring
back some success at OT?

Where are the Solyskears and the Johnsens which proved their worth despite coming at OT with a ridiculous transfer fee?

Many may argue that the time of finding bargains is over and yet Liverpool have managed to find two world class players like Hypia and Riise for less than 5m

Is there any problem with our scouting system?
 
That have already been mentioned a lot of time before in the transfer forum. Breaking the British transfer record for three times in a little more than one year and what do we get from it? We should stop this stupid money splashing. There must be talents everywhere in the world who don't cost a king's ransom.
 
If you've got the cash then get the best.

Works for Real.
 
Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>If you've got the cash then get the best.

Works for Real.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We are not Real.
Buy wisely not buy for the records!!!
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Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>If you've got the cash then get the best.

Works for Real.</strong><hr></blockquote>

but nobody else it would seem.

not inter, lazio, barca, roma, milan, you lot.

what's madrid's secret?
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Ok i have exxegerated on Riise but you must confess that

1 he costs more than 5m
2 He is better than P Neville

I would act wisely with the money reel

And why spending loads of money when you can bring a genuine talent for a ridiculous sum of money?

Look at solsykear, he came to OT for 1.5 m and now he cost more than 16m

Buying stars is not always the answer for success. Just look at Inter Milan for example.
 
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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but nobody else it would seem.

not inter, lazio, barca, roma, milan, you lot.

what's madrid's secret?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Madrid's secret is they buy the best, not the most expensive although the two nearly always come hand in hand.

The other clubs you mention do not buy the best. Anyone remember Inter buying Farinos from Valencia for £17m? I do and thought it was feckin stupid at the time. Barca, lazio etc. all had similar experiences with Petit, Lopez, Junior etc. Overpriced and overrated. Zidane, Figo et al are most certainly not.
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RUnited
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It's either SAF lacking vision, or our scouts must be really bad.

I think a bit of both things

For example look at Forlan, even the most pro forlan supporters agree that 7.5 m was too much for him
 
Originally posted by devilish:
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Look at solsykear, he came to OT for 1.5 m and now he cost more than 16m
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Learn to spell his name. You're being ridiculous <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> ;)
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Yes I agree that we should stop the splashing ... Rio being the last PLEASE !! ...

I am more looking at the "negative" part of the fact ... Whenever we have a record breaking signing - the gaffer will have a hard time treating him as "normal" ... I think it comes down to EGO problem ... will happen to any of us. You spend a ton on something and the next time you find it's not working fine - you tends to give him/it more chances ... hopefully, just hopefully things will turn out good some day some how ...

The pressure will be there ... for both the gaffer to justify his buy and for the player to proof the price-tag on his head is rite !! ... no everybody could handle that ...

I would very much rather to have a few REAL squad players ... You don't need to really care abt them - if they play badly, well they will be on the bench come the next game ... If they moan too much, let them go ... what's the big deal !!? ... I think this is the way the team should be run .. Not saying that Fergie is nuts .. but as I've said it many times - WE ARE the VICTIM of our OWN SUCCESS ... !!
 
Originally posted by JSV:
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Madrid's secret is they buy the best, not the most expensive although the two nearly always come hand in hand.

The other clubs you mention do not buy the best. Anyone remember Inter buying Farinos from Valencia for £17m? I do and thought it was feckin stupid at the time. Barca, lazio etc. all had similar experiences with Petit, Lopez, Junior etc. Overpriced and overrated. Zidane, Figo et al are most certainly not.</strong><hr></blockquote>


i know what you're saying, another example which worked would be roma's paying £23M for 23 year old batistuta. . .it worked, they won the scudetto.

but mendieta at lazio? proven quality, did feck all. . .there's only a handful of "best" players out there, and madrid seem to have a monopoly on them at the moment. . .
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You seem that you havent taken lightly my football lesson

Amir I am sorry for insulting you, because its not your fault that you dont know a HECK about football.

btw Ole gunnar Solskjear is A striker
 
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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but nobody else it would seem.

not inter, lazio, barca, roma, milan, you lot.

what's madrid's secret?</strong><hr></blockquote>

It may not be working at the moment for AC, Barca, and Juve, but it certainly did in the past!
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All the great teams who maintained dominance throughtout all had homegrown talent. Man Utd in the 60's Liverpool in the 70's and 80's and Man Utd in the 90's. Its rare that you get a bargain buy but look who you have who cost nothing Giggs, Beckham, Butt, Scholes, Gary Neville, John O'Shea, Phil Neville combined would cost around 150 million in the transfer market and your looking for bargains!!!
 
Stick you are right

But currently I dont think that we have the young talent avialable to emulate the 94 class

Yes O Shea and Wes Brown are good but who else????
 
Is it a case of not strengthening properly when we were at the top? (immediately after our treble success)
nowadays we're hearing the likes of Cissee say hed rather play for Arsenal. I bet he wouldnt have said that if we were sitting as European champions now.
 
I think many of fans agree that what we lack now is the "depth", not the "height" of the squad. We already have enough superstar who can turn a match, such as Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Ruud, Rio, etc. But when one or two of them are injured or out of form we already seems struggling. Remember in the past we had Irwin who can play both RB and LB and is very reliable. We also had Ole and Sheri who could be relied on whenever Cole and Yorke were injured or just needed a break. That's the kind of players we should be looking for now, not another 25m+ superstar.
 
First of all I do not regard a 15m+ player as a bargain.

Secondly Manutd are still in a powerful position to wrestle anyone for the best players.

I am more afriad that we have builded a bad reputation of buying a player no matter what the price on him is. This had lead many teams in forcing us pay ridiculous money for thier players

Just look at Burdisso and escude which saw their prices soar just because manutd wanted them.

If we had an efficient scouting net we would have never been held in ransom like this. Clubs would know that Manutd have 4 or more targets as backup
to the player that they are keen of signing.

It works with Arsenal Liverpool and Juventus and it would work with us too
 
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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i know what you're saying, another example which worked would be roma's paying £23M for 23 year old batistuta. . .it worked, they won the scudetto.

but mendieta at lazio? proven quality, did feck all. . .there's only a handful of "best" players out there, and madrid seem to have a monopoly on them at the moment. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>

Honestly, I know this sounds quite silly, but I never rated Mendieta even when he was at Valencia...
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Originally posted by Stick:
<strong>All the great teams who maintained dominance throughtout all had homegrown talent. Man Utd in the 60's Liverpool in the 70's and 80's and Man Utd in the 90's. Its rare that you get a bargain buy but look who you have who cost nothing Giggs, Beckham, Butt, Scholes, Gary Neville, John O'Shea, Phil Neville combined would cost around 150 million in the transfer market and your looking for bargains!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

That is the model of the past, but not that of the present or the future. Arsenal bought most of their squad, as have Liverpool, Real Madrid, Bayern etc.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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That is the model of the past, but not that of the present or the future. Arsenal bought most of their squad, as have Liverpool, Real Madrid, Bayern etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Most have had either a core of homegrown, or a group of long-term players however. I am just more interested in learning how Bayern can spend so little yet get so much. That is amazing.
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Originally posted by mathiaslg:
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Most have had either a core of homegrown, or a group of long-term players however. I am just more interested in learning how Bayern can spend so little yet get so much. That is amazing.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We're the only club who have a core of homegrown players at this time (and even that is diminishing at this point). That's not to say that its a bad thing, but most successful clubs are spending to import star players these days.
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Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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but nobody else it would seem.

not inter, lazio, barca, roma, milan, you lot.

what's madrid's secret?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well Real have brought in 3 players over three years. Not alot if you ignore the cost. If they cannot buy the best they incorporate players from the youth team. It's a good idea and works well for them. They really don't make big changes to the core of the team.
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Even when you are buying you need to buy wisely

Do you know that?
costed todays price
Viera 4.5m 35m
solskjear 1.5m 17m
Gilberto 4.5m 15m
Hypia less than 3m 25m
Riise 4.5m 10m
Henry 12m 30m

and the least go on and on

we need the scouts to discover the players BEFORE and not AFTER they become world class players. In my opinion I dont need a scout to tell me that Zidane is good
 
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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what's madrid's secret?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I seem to remember their chairman saying something like;

"we aim to buy one world class player every year"

It's not hard to work out the source of their success if that's their attitude.
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Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>Even when you are buying you need to buy wisely

Do you know that?
costed todays price
Viera 4.5m 35m
solskjear 1.5m 17m
Gilberto 4.5m 15m
Hypia less than 3m 25m
Riise 4.5m 10m
Henry 12m 30m

and the least go on and on

we need the scouts to discover the players BEFORE and not AFTER they become world class players. In my opinion I dont need a scout to tell me that Zidane is good</strong><hr></blockquote>

Would you like Fries with that ??


Do you know that?
costed
Roy Keane £4.5m
Solskjaer £1.5m
Beckham Free
Scholes Free
Giggs Free
Butt Free
Neville Free
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The Treble Priceless
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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Would you like Fries with that ??


Do you know that?
costed
Roy Keane £4.5m
Solskjaer £1.5m
Beckham Free
Scholes Free
Giggs Free
Butt Free
Neville Free
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The Treble Priceless</strong><hr></blockquote>

Keane was 3.9m.
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My friend I agree with you that Sir Alex had been the most successful in bringing in and grooming unknown stars to football's glory

What I am saying is that its a pity that we have completely abandoned that road to seek world class players with a hefty transfers tag on their neck.


In my list I have mentioned Solskjear, but you are right, even Keano was one of those bargains.
 
British record transfers shouldn't really be counted amoung the bargains - £3.75m is pittance now for a player a quarter as good as Keane, but back then it was big money, especially given that Forrest were just after being religated.
 
Originally posted by Stanley Road:
<strong>The bargains could have been:

Di canio</strong> Agree
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Canoute</strong> Nowt special
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Lampard</strong> Absoloute shite. Will never be anything more than a decent league midfielder
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All playing well when speculation was abound</strong><hr></blockquote>
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there are car boot sales all over the place there in ungerland. we should ask howard wilkinson, the king of the bargain - peter shirtlif(ter), mel stirland, eric cantona, david wetherall. see there are bargains everywhere ole china, but frankly most of em turn out to be dead ponies before youve had chance to get home and sing the red flag. if you just wanted bargains you could play ruud up front alongside a lemon coloured v-neck sweater you picked up at a borstal jumble sale.
jesus, some people ;)
 
actually am creaming meself trying to work out who wilkinson's first signing will be for the Sunderland Closing Down Salers. i believe neil webb is still playing. "expeirenced controlling midfielder with an eye for the devastating pas(ty) needs good grimey home and flatulent master bel nu voor meer informatie." :D
 
3 seasons ago, United fans were crying that no big names were signed.
Now we're crying that we spend too much money?
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i think what youre all trying to say is that we could have signed 3 good players for the price of one Veron... ;)
 
As I have said ... it will happen to everybody ... it's the EGO thing !! ... The year after we won the Treble, I believe nobody was really shouting for anything extra ... except one or two who just get too impatience with the lack of "excitement" and then start complaining why we aren't wrestling with the other top-teams on some top stars bla bla ...

And the same thing I believe happen to Fergie - he want to keep the team right there at the top ... so he want to improve! And frankly at that time - you can't really see anything to improve further except buying STARS !! ... so we can't said he's completely wrong ..

And then things happen ... Schmike left, Blomqvist Johnsen all went down to long term injuries .. Disco started to dance more than dribbling football , .. Stam started to write a novel ... bla bla and the list goes on and on ...

End results ?? .. it only speed up the gaffer's belief in him needing some real superstars sooner than later ... and there it goes - we are in the market really determined to PAY IT AND GET IT !! ... that's when I think ppl con us with some really crazy pricing ...

Nevermind now ... let's look ahead.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
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Would you like Fries with that ??


Do you know that?
costed
Roy Keane £4.5m
Solskjaer £1.5m
Beckham Free
Scholes Free
Giggs Free
Butt Free
Neville Free
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The Treble Priceless</strong><hr></blockquote>

I believe devilish is talking about the currrent scouting and transfer policy and not about our past dealings.
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