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Livvie

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We outplayed Sunderland for 3/4 of the game.

We made chances.

Another good performance from John O'Shea, even though out of position.

We were away from home against a team that was on a high after beating Leeds away and getting new players.

Last season we had games like this. Chance after chance against West Ham at OT - but we lost that one and then went on a great run.

If we hadn't outplayed Sunderland, and hadn't made chances, we might have something to complain about.
 
this should be the bigger point insted of people jumping on the keano bandwagon

we should have been out of sight by half time
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>We outplayed Sunderland for 3/4 of the game.

We made chances.

Another good performance from John O'Shea, even though out of position.

We were away from home against a team that was on a high after beating Leeds away and getting new players.

Last season we had games like this. Chance after chance against West Ham at OT - but we lost that one and then went on a great run.

If we hadn't outplayed Sunderland, and hadn't made chances, we might have something to complain about.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Cheers Livvie - that's better ;)
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>We outplayed Sunderland for 3/4 of the game.

We made chances.

Another good performance from John O'Shea, even though out of position.

We were away from home against a team that was on a high after beating Leeds away and getting new players.

Last season we had games like this. Chance after chance against West Ham at OT - but we lost that one and then went on a great run.

If we hadn't outplayed Sunderland, and hadn't made chances, we might have something to complain about.</strong><hr></blockquote>
How did you get to watch it? It seemed to be the impression I've got from the radio, but I'll have to reserve judgement until I've seen it on MUTV on monday.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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How did you get to watch it? It seemed to be the impression I've got from the radio, but I'll have to reserve judgement until I've seen it on MUTV on monday.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I didn't. I'm basing my opinion on everything that's been said both on Radio 5, and on MUTV.
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Didnt lose thats the main point.

But we have lost a player to suspension through being an idiot.
 
I saw it. Livvie's right. Ruddy's right. This game should have been wrapped up by half time. We pissed all over them. They made the effort you'd expect a home team to make in the last 30 minutes. Nothing to worry about if you ask me. Cept Keano ;)
 
should have been at least 3 before half time

we should have strolled it

we controlled the game up till they scored and as a plus point the defence looks alot stronger
 
don't get me wrong i'm not saying today was a disaster result but do you not feel that what happend today was exactly what happend to many of our rivals over the last decade and benifited us greatly ...

.... the likes of pool, arse, newcastle, chelsea, would constantly drop silly points in silly games againsts lesser oposition when they should have got all 3 whereas we would be more direct and always get the points.
I just hope we are not going to start getting into this habit of failing to kill off shite teams ie sunderland who we should have buried before half time i just feel we needed to be a little more ruthless and not relax when we get a goal which we did and only steped it up right at the end.
 
nope.

but she's right. ;)


seriously tho... we played well enough to win..and created enough chances.. so there's nothing to be worried about.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>nope.

but she's right. ;)


seriously tho... we played well enough to win..and created enough chances.. so there's nothing to be worried about.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I love you Giggzy. (See Gen.Forum).
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The key word in most of the above posts is 'Should'.

I appreciate the optimism and I fully believe that we'll come good (and soon)

but it'll be no good come May if we're saying we 'should' have won the Prem.

We need to kill off teams that we donimate. A bit more grit in the final third and I'll be happy.

<img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
I'll bet even Real Madrid have days like today. (But maybe not as often. ;) )

Reports from people who saw the match suggest that it was a good game, and we performed well.

Well - that'll do me.
 
IMHO we played good enough but no one our player did his best today.
There was no one death shot of Ruud…
no one Becks’s excellent cross…
no one Giggs’s amazing pace…
no one genius pass by Veron...
It looked like we scored the early goal and tried to end business without big effort.
May be our physical conditions is the problem.
 
Ryans goal should have opended the floodgates. We kept on getting chances and on another day we would have been four up by half-time. Sunderland scored from their only shot of the game and we could have still won it after that. I dont think we should be worried about anything.
 
caroll has been involved in two goals that have cost us two victories... first his throw out against chelsea..and today his mistake against sunderland.. had fab made them mistakes................
 
Harsh blaming Carroll for todays goal, he came out well and nearly dealt with a tricky situation...

However while echoing the general positives about play am I alone in thinking Ruud looks about as sharp as a ballon at the moment? He seems to have lost half a yard of pace and unable to drop off defenders in his effective way... Maybe my imagination but against real teams he hasn't looked remotely threatening.

However take note of one all important fact. We got a draw with Rennie as ref, and that is the best away teams do. 16 games last year, 1 away win. Nuff said.
 
The next leap forward for us is to be playing 3 central defenders...Larry as sweeper?...could even play a season more.
Believe me, Fergie is toying with this idea...it should and could happen.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>We outplayed Sunderland for 3/4 of the game.

We made chances.

Another good performance from John O'Shea, even though out of position.

We were away from home against a team that was on a high after beating Leeds away and getting new players.

Last season we had games like this. Chance after chance against West Ham at OT - but we lost that one and then went on a great run.

If we hadn't outplayed Sunderland, and hadn't made chances, we might have something to complain about.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We didn't play well except the first 15 or 20 minutes.

Just as the game against Boro last season, we got hold of the ball, but didn't find way to break into the box.

At the back, the failure of getting Escude shows up immediately. Although O'Shea played alright, but Phil Neville was absolutely a disgrace today.

Many people believe that we have a great midfield, but today our midfield failed completely in creativitiy. I think we definitely need some more good dribbler -- someone who can beat opponents and open a defence. Whenever Giggs tried to do it today he failed. Veron has done a few times, but every time he shoot the ball it went into the orbit.
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Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Ryans goal should have opended the floodgates. We kept on getting chances and on another day we would have been four up by half-time. Sunderland scored from their only shot of the game and we could have still won it after that. I dont think we should be worried about anything.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Did we watch the same game? After the first goal, especially in the last hour we didn't press them enough to get the second goal. Our midfield couldn't control and lost the ball too often, thus leave Ruud chasing the ball hopelessly up front.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Did we watch the same game? After the first goal, especially in the last hour we didn't press them enough to get the second goal. Our midfield couldn't control and lost the ball too often, thus leave Ruud chasing the ball hopelessly up front.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think we watched the same game, you just dont know what youre on about. ;) Seriously though, in the first half we had about ten shots on goal. Granted only half of those were on target, but it reflects how much we pressed on. Our Midfield were, imo, passing the ball around nicely and Sunderland were chasing the ball for large periods of time.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Did we watch the same game? After the first goal, especially in the last hour we didn't press them enough to get the second goal. Our midfield couldn't control and lost the ball too often, thus leave Ruud chasing the ball hopelessly up front.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm just speechless, mate. You must have been watching another game. United dominated that game throughout and should have won it before the first half had finished. Peter Reid must still be wondering how his side managed to get a draw. It's probably the most one-sided game I've seen in years. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by wythykid:
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I'm just speechless, mate. You must have been watching another game. United dominated that game throughout and should have won it before the first half had finished. Peter Reid must still be wondering how his side managed to get a draw. It's probably the most one-sided game I've seen in years. :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>


<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> at these blinkered fans!
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>nope.

but she's right. ;)


seriously tho... we played well enough to win..and created enough chances.. so there's nothing to be worried about.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry Giggzy but I disagree. We actually created very few chances and the percentage of shots on target was abysmal. We had Ole, Ruud, Ryan and Roy getting in each others way in the central corridor and nobody wide on the left. It will be the same as last season when we're up against teams that can defend, we won't be able to open them up and we'll still leak in defence. Hopefully, having written this, Murphy's Law will come into operation, we'll have the best defence in the country, we'll score more goals than anyone and I'll be made to look like a real dickhead but I fear that won't be the case.
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Originally posted by Gazza:
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I think we watched the same game, you just dont know what youre on about. ;) Seriously though, in the first half we had about ten shots on goal. Granted only half of those were on target, but it reflects how much we pressed on. Our Midfield were, imo, passing the ball around nicely and Sunderland were chasing the ball for large periods of time.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, I agree that my previous post was a bit too harsh. But I still think that we have not pressed them enough to get a second goal. Before they got the equalizer, we have nearly fallen asleep.
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We relaxed a bit and took our foot off the pedal, but that can happen when you are coasting and the atmosphere is a bit damp (at times it was surreal). It was only a case of not finishing Sunderland off earlier, the performance for sixty-odd minutes can not be faulted imo.
 
I thought Ruud & Solskjaer were rather poor against Sunderland.
It scares me that we're going to struggle to score goals this season (compared to prvious seasons at least)
It is shameful that Man Utd only have three strikers !
How the hell is this club run?
 
Originally posted by jeanz:
<strong>I thought Ruud & Solskjaer were rather poor against Sunderland.
It scares me that we're going to struggle to score goals this season (compared to prvious seasons at least)
It is shameful that Man Utd only have three strikers !
How the hell is this club run?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Too late to sell them, so put them both in the reserves I say. Both are absolutely garbage - OK last year, but have turned bad overnight. I demand perfection every game.
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Originally posted by jeanz:
<strong>I thought Ruud & Solskjaer were rather poor against Sunderland.
It scares me that we're going to struggle to score goals this season (compared to prvious seasons at least)
It is shameful that Man Utd only have three strikers !
How the hell is this club run?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fairweather fan... you can tell by the Man Utd... Its United, mate. Never Manyooo or manuuuu, United. There's only one, anyway.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>I'll bet even Real Madrid have days like today. (But maybe not as often. ;) )

Reports from people who saw the match suggest that it was a good game, and we performed well.

Well - that'll do me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree with you, but we still have a problem with(out) Keano, maybe Seba will be better now without fear of his midfield mate (Keano of course). <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
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Originally posted by OldRed1:
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Sorry Giggzy but I disagree. We actually created very few chances and the percentage of shots on target was abysmal. </strong><hr></blockquote>

er 17 shots on goal

sorry to go yank on ya.. but our pass accuracy was 80%


and tackle success rate was 85%


them stats are of a team that played well.

most people that watched the match, felt United were dominant.. and Peter Reid said words to the same effect.


BTW.. shots not on target means we didn't finish.. it doesn't mean we didn't create chances... 17 shots, would imply we had no probs getting in on goal.
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Too late to sell them, so put them both in the reserves I say. Both are absolutely garbage - OK last year, but have turned bad overnight. I demand perfection every game.

You're missing the point. i have the utmost respect for Ruud and Solskjaer , but the fact remains that we are one of the top teams in Europe but still have only 3 strikers.Is that normal?
 
The above post shows that I don't have the slightest idea how to use that 'quote' thing !
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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er 17 shots on goal

sorry to go yank on ya.. but our pass accuracy was 80%


and tackle success rate was 85%


them stats are of a team that played well.

most people that watched the match, felt United were dominant.. and Peter Reid said words to the same effect.


BTW.. shots not on target means we didn't finish.. it doesn't mean we didn't create chances... 17 shots, would imply we had no probs getting in on goal.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I didn't say we weren't the dominant team, what I said was that we didn't create. Most of the shots (I can't bring myself to calling them 'shots on goal') were speculative from distance with a packed defence in front of us. We never really opened them up which worries me. I really believe we miss Scholes and I still think it was overcrowded in the central corridor. My thoughts on stats btw are on my screen saver at work where everything is done according to stats, "statistics don't feed the hungry".
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Originally posted by OldRed1:
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I didn't say we weren't the dominant team, what I said was that we didn't create. Most of the shots (I can't bring myself to calling them 'shots on goal') were speculative from distance with a packed defence in front of us. We never really opened them up which worries me. I really believe we miss Scholes and I still think it was overcrowded in the central corridor. My thoughts on stats btw are on my screen saver at work where everything is done according to stats, "statistics don't feed the hungry".</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree. Statistic alone won't show everything. After they settled down from 15th min. onwards, we weren't creative enough. At one time we passed the ball among ourselves for several minutes outside their penalty area ended up with nothing. IMO that's an obvious example of what we lack (ability to beat opponent).
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Originally posted by RUDDY:
<strong>this should be the bigger point insted of people jumping on the keano bandwagon

we should have been out of sight by half time</strong><hr></blockquote>


Certainly Keane's red card was stupid, but of little influence on the match. But, I was surprised when he didn't see a wide open Beckham in the first half. If he'd of laid it off to Beckham, the score would have most certainly gone 2-0 in United's favour. I just couldn't beleive that Keane didn't see him.
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