What's happened to Yugoslav football?

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Why has Yugoslav football declined so much lately, bot at NT level as well as club-wise. Gone are the days when they qualified for every tournament and their best clubs made it routinely to the qf of european competitions. Any ideas?
 
Well Croatia isn't doing so badly is it? They qualified for the World Cup again, their club sides are getting better and back to their best. Unlike Yugoslavian football (which let's face it is Serbian) which suffers from a problem of arrogance amongst players. They're more known as prima donnas, cheats and divers than their Croat counterparts. Croats are better known for their discipline and fighting qualities. I'd say Croatia was the super power of Eastern European football, then Slovenia who are also doing well, Bosnia awho have a useful side, Yugoslavia (aka Serbia) next with potential, and then Montenegro who are rivals with the serbians for the areas wooden spoon.
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong> Montenegro who are rivals with the serbians for the areas wooden spoon.</strong><hr></blockquote>

do Montenegro and Serbia have National teams,,

Why dont a couple of the Balkan states like Serbia, Croatia etc join together and make on decent team, there at nothing where they are
problem would be like in east/ west Germany that only the westerners get a game,
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Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>

do Montenegro and Serbia have National teams,,

Why dont a couple of the Balkan states like Serbia, Croatia etc join together and make on decent team, there at nothing where they are
problem would be like in east/ west Germany that only the westerners get a game,</strong><hr></blockquote>

Macedonia, I meant that's right. Well they both begin with M - easy mistake. Serbia is Yugoslavia basically. I should think it's only Serbs playing for Yugoslavia. In fact if they allowed in Croats or Bosnians etc they'd probably do a bit better than they have done of late. Long enough has passed since hostilities ceased and I think they should all be able to put their differences aside and from a united team - at least they'd have a chance in International competition. That's a tad unfair on Croatia actually, but I suppose in the end it would be a mainly Croatian set of players who would represent Balkanai (good name don't you think) with a couple of Slovenians to provide the depth.
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Or the Commonwealth of Independent Balkan States.
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Well Croatia isn't doing so badly is it? They qualified for the World Cup again, their club sides are getting better and back to their best. Unlike Yugoslavian football (which let's face it is Serbian) which suffers from a problem of arrogance amongst players. They're more known as prima donnas, cheats and divers than their Croat counterparts. Croats are better known for their discipline and fighting qualities. I'd say Croatia was the super power of Eastern European football, then Slovenia who are also doing well, Bosnia awho have a useful side, Yugoslavia (aka Serbia) next with potential, and then Montenegro who are rivals with the serbians for the areas wooden spoon.</strong><hr></blockquote>


So you think it's due to Croatians and Slovenes who played for them? Seemed a bit far-fetched initially, but once you consider the facts it all makes sense: Croatia 3rd @ France 98, Slovenia qualified for WC 2002, and Yugo from the same group didn't; Holland-Yugo 6:1...
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>

Macedonia, I meant that's right. Well they both begin with M - easy mistake. Serbia is Yugoslavia basically. I should think it's only Serbs playing for Yugoslavia. In fact if they allowed in Croats or Bosnians etc they'd probably do a bit better than they have done of late. Long enough has passed since hostilities ceased and I think they should all be able to put their differences aside and from a united team - at least they'd have a chance in International competition. That's a tad unfair on Croatia actually, but I suppose in the end it would be a mainly Croatian set of players who would represent Balkanai (good name don't you think) with a couple of Slovenians to provide the depth.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That'd be a good idea. That's the only chance they got of surviving the more and more competitive football nowadays. What was that war about anyway? Now that Milosevic is gone, they can be brothers and united once again.
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Originally posted by Suedesi:
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So you think it's due to Croatians and Slovenes who played for them? Seemed a bit far-fetched initially, but once you consider the facts it all makes sense: Croatia 3rd @ France 98, Slovenia qualified for WC 2002, and Yugo from the same group didn't; Holland-Yugo 6:1...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well I'm pretty sure but think about it a little while and I become wholly convinced. The Serbians have never contributed so much as the Croats, in fact all the greats of the region have been Croats. The Slovenians are quite good now Zahovic a flair player who would grace any team, but the Serbians don't have anyone who sticks out. Mihailovic takes a decent free kick now and again but he's a cnut so I couldn't sonsider him as a great player. Prosinecki on the other hand is a master as is Suker. Great players in their time.
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You forgot Boban mate. Absolute world class. He came in at AC Milan for the Montenegrin Savicevic, and set the world ablaze.
 
Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>

do Montenegro and Serbia have National teams,,
</strong><hr></blockquote>

apparently they do, but they're nowhere near as good as Croatia, who seem to be the only football powerhouse in the balkans.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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apparently they do, but they're nowhere near as good as Croatia, who seem to be the only football powerhouse in the balkans.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Croatia are good, but they'd be better off if their FA joined Slovenia, and Bosnia and the rest of Yugoslavia.

Croatia have 5-7 great players, they can get 3-4 more from Slovenia and 2-3 from Bosnia (dude from bayern and his uncle) and a goalie from Serbia. They they can effectively challenge the rest of the world.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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apparently they do, but they're nowhere near as good as Croatia, who seem to be the only football powerhouse in the balkans.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So we're all agreed that actually the thread title should perhaps have been "Is Croatia still the Balkan powerhouse"?
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Originally posted by Dans:
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So we're all agreed that actually the thread title should perhaps have been "Is Croatia still the Balkan powerhouse"?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wouldn't neccessarily say Balkan powerhooouse. You have other good teams like Romania, Turkey, Boulgaria, Albania, Grease.

Certainly I would say CRO has the best football from amonsgst former Yugoslav nations.

My Balkan power rankings:
Romania
Turkey
Croatia
Slovenia
Albania
Bulgaria
Greece
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Moldova
Yugoslavia
Cyprus
Macedonia
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That might be a little harsh on Yugoslavia. I'd put them above Moldova, but otherwise that looks pretty accurate I'd say.
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>That might be a little harsh on Yugoslavia. I'd put them above Moldova, but otherwise that looks pretty accurate I'd say.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're right.

My new and improved Balkan power rankings:
Romania
Turkey
Croatia
Slovenia
Albania
Bulgaria
Greece
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Yugoslavia
Moldova
Cyprus
Macedonia
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Originally posted by Suedesi:
<strong>My Balkan power rankings:
Romania
Turkey
Croatia
Slovenia
Albania
Bulgaria
Greece
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Moldova
Yugoslavia
Cyprus
Macedonia</strong><hr></blockquote>

Although I think ultimately you have to rid the group of the following as they cannot seriously be attributed to the Balkan region:

Cyprus, Romania (Hagi was the Maradona of the Carpathians remember?) and Turkey.

Definitely Croatia, Slovenia and then Albania in my top 3.
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>

Although I think ultimately you have to rid the group of the following as they cannot seriously be attributed to the Balkan region:

Cyprus, Romania (Hagi was the Maradona of the Carpathians remember?) and Turkey.

Definitely Croatia, Slovenia and then Albania in my top 3.</strong><hr></blockquote>

agreed about cyprus. turkey and romania are def. considered balkan nations. Hell, romania just beat turkey in the Balkan Ping-Pong (table tennis) finals. Not Carpathian finals, Balkan finals Dans.
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>And Moldova too (Phew says Yugoslavia).</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Yugo were about to start a war to appropriate some of Moldova's footballing talent. Bloody bastards!!! Thank G-d NATO stepped in, or we'd have another massacre.

I can understand the oil motivations behind a war, but football?????
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Originally posted by Suedesi:
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agreed about cyprus. turkey and romania are def. considered balkan nations. Hell, romania just beat turkey in the Balkan Ping-Pong (table tennis) finals. Not Carpathian finals, Balkan finals Dans.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You got a link for that Suedesi? I know of most table tennis championships but I don't recall having seen any news items concerning these finals. If so who else took part and where did they finish?
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Ping Pong is apparently huge in the balkans. :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

Mater of life or death. I hard this Bulgarian pingpong player was beaten up for missing two serves in a row. :( :eek:

The guy has been on intensive care ever since last week.
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Red Star Belgrade(1990 Eurpean Cup Winners) recently went on a tour of Australia. They played against mighty sides like Fitzroy City and Heidelberg United in front of crowds which numbered little more than a few hundred. These clubs are not even in the AUSTRALIAN national league for fecks sake. They'd get routinely thrashed by any 3rd division team. And here we have a recent winner of the European Cup playing against them. Sad state of affairs.
 
I dont know whether to laugh at you guys or just cry.

I think ill laugh my ass of actually.

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Phew, thats better.
Not gonna bother making a case about something you guys have no idea about.

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Ok anyway.

Ill leave you with a couple names.

Dragislav Sekularac
Dragan Dzajic
Dragan Stojkovic
Dejan Savicevic (born in Montenegro but always says he is a Serb. An issue you guys have no idea about but pretend yous are experts).
Sinisa Mihajlovic
Dejan Stankovic
Goran Bunjevcevic
Perica Ognjenovic
Dragan Mirkovic
Pedja Mijatovic.

NUFF SAID.

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Dragons are of fairy tales mate. Like St George and all that. I dunno where you're getting all these names from. Perhaps we should add Rapunzel to the list??
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Dragons are of fairy tales mate. Like St George and all that. I dunno where you're getting all these names from. Perhaps we should add Rapunzel to the list??</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Originally posted by Beckham007:
<strong>Ill leave you with a couple names.

Dragislav Sekularac
Dragan Dzajic
Dragan Stojkovic
Dejan Savicevic (born in Montenegro but always says he is a Serb. An issue you guys have no idea about but pretend yous are experts).
Sinisa Mihajlovic
Dejan Stankovic
Goran Bunjevcevic
Perica Ognjenovic
Dragan Mirkovic
Pedja Mijatovic.

</strong><hr></blockquote>


Thanks 007 but we weren't really interested in the ping pong team.
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Dragislav Sekularac- I've heard of this guy. Ancient
Dragan Dzajic- Never heard of him
Dragan Stojkovic- Good, but overrated. He had one good season at Marseille, and always injury ridden
Dejan Savicevic- World class
Sinisa Mihajlovic-Racist loser; too slow to play midfield, much too slow to play defense
Dejan Stankovic-loser; totally overrated. if he wasn't playing for lazio (not that he plays much) nobody would have even heard of him
Goran Bunjevcevic-who the feck is he?
Perica Ognjenovic-sounds like a royal name? what did this muppet ever do?
Dragan Mirkovic-fecken loser. played for juve for a year, and was shipped out. lost his place to tudor.
Pedja Mijatovic. I hate that fecker, but he had a couple of good seasons at madrid.

You forgot to mention Jugovic. World class.


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As I said Croatia has produced much better players over the last 10 years: Boban, Prosinecki, Tudor, Suker, Boksic to just name a few.
 
Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>

do Montenegro and Serbia have National teams,,

Why dont a couple of the Balkan states like Serbia, Croatia etc join together and make on decent team, there at nothing where they are
problem would be like in east/ west Germany that only the westerners get a game,</strong><hr></blockquote>

The relationship of Croatia and Serbia is very hostile (10 years ago they fought against eachother) to unite, even in terms of football would be impossible. I recently saw a document about the last (proper) Yugoslavian national team (the one that participated in the Euro 1990)
the film had shots of the Euro 2000 qualification matches between Croatia and Yugoslavia (read Serbia) and the atmosphere in Zagreb and Belgrad was still very hostile.

The idea of a joint Croatia/Yugoslavia team is as impossible as a united team of Turkey/Greece or Israel/Palestine.
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Originally posted by BestwasBest:
<strong>

The relationship of Croatia and Serbia is very hostile (10 years ago they fought against eachother) to unite, even in terms of football would be impossible. I recently saw a document about the last (proper) Yugoslavian national team (the one that participated in the Euro 1990)
the film had shots of the Euro 2000 qualification matches between Croatia and Yugoslavia (read Serbia) and the atmosphere in Zagreb and Belgrad was still very hostile.

The idea of a joint Croatia/Yugoslavia team is as impossible as a united team of Turkey/Greece or Israel/Palestine.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Really? Now I am surprised at that. What about a joint Welsh and Scottish team - they're both kak as well.
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Originally posted by BestwasBest:
<strong>The idea of a joint Croatia/Yugoslavia team is as impossible as a united team of Turkey/Greece or Israel/Palestine.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Turkey/Greece just pushed for a joint Euro bid. Surely Yugosalvs can latch on to Croatia and/or Slovenia. They're missing out on WC.
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Originally posted by Suedesi:
<strong>Dragislav Sekularac- I've heard of this guy. Ancient
Dragan Dzajic- Never heard of him
Dragan Stojkovic- Good, but overrated. He had one good season at Marseille, and always injury ridden
Dejan Savicevic- World class
Sinisa Mihajlovic-Racist loser; too slow to play midfield, much too slow to play defense
Dejan Stankovic-loser; totally overrated. if he wasn't playing for lazio (not that he plays much) nobody would have even heard of him
Goran Bunjevcevic-who the feck is he?
Perica Ognjenovic-sounds like a royal name? what did this muppet ever do?
Dragan Mirkovic-fecken loser. played for juve for a year, and was shipped out. lost his place to tudor.
Pedja Mijatovic. I hate that fecker, but he had a couple of good seasons at madrid.

You forgot to mention Jugovic. World class.


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As I said Croatia has produced much better players over the last 10 years: Boban, Prosinecki, Tudor, Suker, Boksic to just name a few.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Tudor ??????????

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NO IDEA !
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Originally posted by BestwasBest:
<strong>

The relationship of Croatia and Serbia is very hostile (10 years ago they fought against eachother) to unite, even in terms of football would be impossible. I recently saw a document about the last (proper) Yugoslavian national team (the one that participated in the Euro 1990)
the film had shots of the Euro 2000 qualification matches between Croatia and Yugoslavia (read Serbia) and the atmosphere in Zagreb and Belgrad was still very hostile.

The idea of a joint Croatia/Yugoslavia team is as impossible as a united team of Turkey/Greece or Israel/Palestine.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Finally a man who has some idea.
Well done.

:)

PS. When Serbia played Croatia in Zagreb I watched the game with 5000 other Serbs at the Serbian Centre.
Best atmosphere ever.
2-2 and we go through to Euro 2000 whislt the Croats stay home.
Much better than us tho.

:D
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Serbia don't have a team though 007. Yugoslavia do <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 
can i just point out that the reason bosnia, croatia, serbia, and slovenia split apart from each other in the bloodiest european war since WW2 is coz the HATE each other.
i reckon national pride would come before a chance of winning the WC with a unified 'yugoslavian' team
 
Originally posted by jaz09:
<strong>can i just point out that the reason bosnia, croatia, serbia, and slovenia split apart from each other in the bloodiest european war since WW2 is coz the HATE each other.
i reckon national pride would come before a chance of winning the WC with a unified 'yugoslavian' team</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well I never. What don't they like about each other? They're all the same are't they - they're aall Yugoslavians aren't they?
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Serbia don't have a team though 007. Yugoslavia do :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

You'd think Serbia would field a team since Croatia and Wales do.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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You'd think Serbia would field a team since Croatia and Wales do.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I just can't understand it quite frankly. I mean they may well be whipping boys of the group an all but what about national pride?
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Originally posted by jaz09:
<strong>yugoslavia IS serbia</strong><hr></blockquote>

No.

SERBIA IS SERBIA.
Yugoslavija is a communist name.

Dont worry, soon Serbia will become a republic and we will have SERBIA in the World cup with RED BLUE AND WHITE FLAGS !

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