I don't think it's an intelligence issue at all. I can see how that makes the discourse more racially sensitive. It's an ego issue. He thinks he is much better than he is. In hindsight, he had it easy at Juve. This is why I think wherever he goes next he won't be a huge success. He'll have the highlight reel for sure, but he won't perform to the level of expectations.
What would be an acceptable offer for Pogba?
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I don't think it's an intelligence issue at all. I can see how that makes the discourse more racially sensitive. It's an ego issue. He thinks he is much better than he is. In hindsight, he had it easy at Juve. This is why I think wherever he goes next he won't be a huge success. He'll have the highlight reel for sure, but he won't perform to the level of expectations.
Take Mourinho as your club manager as part of the deal for free and I might be tempted.
£100m - £120m would be agreeable for most parties I think.
Can I please have a hit of that CRACK PIPE you're smoking?
Wtf
What did I just read?
Just get rid of him.[/QUOTE]
Our problems lies on attack and crap fullbacks. And the fecking cowardice obsolete tactic, with Matic and Fellaini as the manager lovechild in midfield.
But sure..., you replace Pogba with this imaginary CM who can do all those, the "problem will disapear". We will start having a free flowing football, scoring goals for fun.
Our problems lies on attack and crap fullbacks. And the fecking cowardice obsolete tactic, with Matic and Fellaini as the manager lovechild in midfield.But sure..., you replace Pogba with this imaginary CM who can do all those, the "problem will disapear". We will start having a free flowing football, scoring goals for fun.
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Bullocks. Cry me a river. This guy will earn more money to play Arsenal this weekend than I will earn in the next decade. There are people starving in the world, people who are unemployed, people trying to provide for their families on $8 dollars an hour but this guy can't be arsed to run around a football pitch for £290,000 a week. Oh, and by the way, to all of those people in this thread that keep saying he's our best player - DDG says hi.
An arm and a leg.
"If you keep pissing around with the ball in midfield I'll choke you with Phil Jones' sock"?
There are not that many clubs in the world that can afford his salary. If you rule out Man city then only Real Madrid and PSG left. I heard Barca is quite tight with money lately.
Read it again. I’m trolling, Kind of but on a level Dybala is overhyped! If he care here he’d be shit.
£180m but then you need to subtract the 'Manchester United Selling Players Incompetence Tax' and you get around £40m for no sensible reason.
Superstar? What has Dybala done on the world football stag of any significance. He stunk up his Champions League final, for about 5 minutes at the World Cup. He’s a good player but on here he’s talked about as some wonder kid. If he went up for sale no one is paying over £100m for him. Like chill out. Reminds me of the Gotze loving a few years ago.
Agree - Rashford is better than Dybala !
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But sure..., you replace Pogba with this imaginary CM who can do all those, the "problem will disapear". We will start having a free flowing football, scoring goals for fun.
Exactly we could replace any Pogba with any CM in the world and they would struggle. There is no movement throughout the team and the passing range of the back four and all the other midfielders isn’t up to scratch.
Pogba is idiotic at times but time and time again when he gets the ball the rest of the team is just stood there looking at him. And no one presses the ball so even if someone came in who does they wouldn’t get anywhere because they wouldn’t get any support.
White text Mainoldo, I was looking for the white text! But yeah, seems no matter who we bring in, they’d struggle.
Indeed, Pogba needs to be a runner really, with a top passer behind to find him.
WC winner...150mil min....but it's United so he'll get sold for 90mil.
Add a premium considering he is the only outfield player capable of reaching high levels that we have. If we had a squad full of world clalss players id be happy with our money back, but considering we would be left with no players of any sort of creativity/occasional brilliance , we probably need to chuck an extra 30m on there to compensate for what we have left.
We seem to be left in a position where we cant afford to sell someone whose perfomances arent really all that....
We seem to be left in a position where we cant afford to sell someone whose perfomances arent really all that....
Probably take a swap for Pogba + Mata if reports are to be believed for Casemiro and Isco and throw in a bit of cash to soften the blow. If Juve were interested would swap him for Pjanic.
Hypothetically, what would happen if we were to make Pogba available in a straight swap deal with some of our Premier League rivals. Some example scenarios:
- Pogba for Lucas Torreira (Arsenal)
- Pogba for Kevin de Bruyne (Man City)
- Pogba for Jorginho (Chelsea)
- Pogba for N'Golo Kante (Chelsea)
- Pogba for Christian Eriksen (Spurs)
- Pogba for Dele Alli (Spurs)
I don't think any of those offers would be taken, and most would probably be met with incredulous laughter. Honestly, I don't even think Liverpool would entertain a swap for Jordan Henderson.
We're likely to make a loss on Paul Pogba when we sell him - his value to a Premier League team is less than any of the players I listed above. Our best chance of a decent fee is for a southern European team to come in for him, and that would also be the best outcome for Paul Pogba himself. If we can get £50 million, that would be reasonable.
- Pogba for Lucas Torreira (Arsenal)
- Pogba for Kevin de Bruyne (Man City)
- Pogba for Jorginho (Chelsea)
- Pogba for N'Golo Kante (Chelsea)
- Pogba for Christian Eriksen (Spurs)
- Pogba for Dele Alli (Spurs)
I don't think any of those offers would be taken, and most would probably be met with incredulous laughter. Honestly, I don't even think Liverpool would entertain a swap for Jordan Henderson.
We're likely to make a loss on Paul Pogba when we sell him - his value to a Premier League team is less than any of the players I listed above. Our best chance of a decent fee is for a southern European team to come in for him, and that would also be the best outcome for Paul Pogba himself. If we can get £50 million, that would be reasonable.
Madrid is a great destination for him, with the genuine possibility of them getting rid of actually decent players in return.
Isco would be fantastic. Is he really on the way out there?
Terrible move for him now though, if he has any sense he'll wait to see who they bring in before he heads there. Right club for him but wrong time. For once we might actually be able to hold them to ransom - they need some big name signings.
Im not sure I read somewhere he might be on way out due to lack of playing time. This article is one of a few that seems to think he may be leaving although the release clause is a stumbling block 700m euros (£630m). https://www.goal.com/en-ae/news/isc...plosive-real-madrid/o86eigshnayr1nalcqn4jnorm
Isco is a complementary player like Pogba. It would be same problem from a player with less physical qualities. No thanks.
I have to agree with this. Pogba is a world class talent but Klopp loves his midfielders to be runners and hardworkers (as seen in his preference for Milner, Wijnaldum, Henderson and Keita).
50mill!??? That would be like slapping a big sticker on United's forehead reading ' feck me I'm stupid'.
It would be less harmful if we let him leave citing irreconcilable differences.
Pogba is the last player we should be considering selling. Change the manager instead!
I can't believe there are still Utd fans supporting Pogba - did SAF teach us nothing?
Jose has bent over backwards for Pogba. Made him captain, put him on all set pieces, signed players to help him, tried him in various positions....none of it has worked out. Don't get me wrong, Pogba is a very talented footballer but his attitude is a disgrace. Get rid and sign some players who genuinely want to fight for the shirt
Jose has bent over backwards for Pogba. Made him captain, put him on all set pieces, signed players to help him, tried him in various positions....none of it has worked out. Don't get me wrong, Pogba is a very talented footballer but his attitude is a disgrace. Get rid and sign some players who genuinely want to fight for the shirt
If we can get back what was paid for him I'd be happy. His value definitely hasn't increased (or at least it shouldn't have). If it's to Juve, then a cash plus Dybala deal would be good...
Signed who?
Matic - made Pogba worse with Matic lack of mobility Pogba has had to sit deeper
Fred - how does he help Pogba when firstly he can't get in the team (because Jose refuses to play him useless utd buy him a CB) and when he does he spends most his time losing the ball.
Fellaini - less said the better
How about not signing any players to help pogba and get the best out the player you have first like keeping Herrera at DM and bringing Pereira in at CM alongside Pogba.
It's not 90m wasted on Pogba, it's 90M wasted on Matic and Fred.
You think Juve would want to give you cash+Dybala for Pogba?
Some of the posts here
How much? Annoying that we have to offer anything but if it’s the only way...
Well he destroyed us (Barca) in a big Champions League game. He’s also been Juve’s top scorer in two out of three seasons.
When discussing issues about the 'market value' of a certain player, many of us seem to disregard how 'young age' not just increases the overall value, but does so in a dramatic fashion because of the element of 'potential'. Clubs gamble on possibilities, raising valuations well below the actual 'worth' of the player, one that in real life is governed factors like player's quality, playing position, marketability, resale value, the League, the Club and the nature of the player's contract (existing and new). When playing for Juventus, Pogba was extremely young (only 22), and hailed as someone who could go on to be the best midfielder in Europe (the aspect of potential).
Pogba hasn't proved to be half the footballer people thought he would be. At his age, he should be at the prime of his football career, and if this is his prime, then Juventus have managed to put one across United by selling him for £90 + million. Clubs will no dish out extra on the element of 'potential' if they try to secure his services. He will definitely improve with the right kind of nurturing, but will certainly not reach the lofty heights people imagined while he was still playing for Juventus. The occasional histrionics and perfunctory attitude hasn't helped his overall brand image. And he is on a whopping £300,000 a week. Many people here will be quick to point at Mourinho's negative tactics for all his failings, a notion that I am not willing to buy.
United will be lucky if they are able to recoup around £70 million for him, if he is indeed sold in the summer. Pogba will be 26 years in three-months time and no longer a 'young' player.
(P.S. I don't think Pogba will be sold in the summer).
Pogba hasn't proved to be half the footballer people thought he would be. At his age, he should be at the prime of his football career, and if this is his prime, then Juventus have managed to put one across United by selling him for £90 + million. Clubs will no dish out extra on the element of 'potential' if they try to secure his services. He will definitely improve with the right kind of nurturing, but will certainly not reach the lofty heights people imagined while he was still playing for Juventus. The occasional histrionics and perfunctory attitude hasn't helped his overall brand image. And he is on a whopping £300,000 a week. Many people here will be quick to point at Mourinho's negative tactics for all his failings, a notion that I am not willing to buy.
United will be lucky if they are able to recoup around £70 million for him, if he is indeed sold in the summer. Pogba will be 26 years in three-months time and no longer a 'young' player.
(P.S. I don't think Pogba will be sold in the summer).
We should not be selling Pogba till we get a new manager. We need a manager who will bring out the best in all of these players. Ideally wait till summer of 2020 to sell him.
I get frustrated with him but that doesn’t mean we should get rid. I’m sure I read it before but we keep getting rid of our players with that something that get you off your seat.
Do we really want 11 work horses that struggle to open up defences?
With his faults, mainly defensively, he is still our most talented outfield player. We should be building around him not replacing him.
Mourinho should try Pogba-Herrera-Fred in midfield. Having Matic or Fellaini makes us too slow when building attacks. We desperately need better full backs, I include LB here, I don’t think Shaw has been that great this season. Get a RW and a CB who is a leader we might have a better balanced team. Been saying this pretty much since Fergie left so it’s not going to happen. We will continue to buy CM and LW for no reason.
Do we really want 11 work horses that struggle to open up defences?
With his faults, mainly defensively, he is still our most talented outfield player. We should be building around him not replacing him.
Mourinho should try Pogba-Herrera-Fred in midfield. Having Matic or Fellaini makes us too slow when building attacks. We desperately need better full backs, I include LB here, I don’t think Shaw has been that great this season. Get a RW and a CB who is a leader we might have a better balanced team. Been saying this pretty much since Fergie left so it’s not going to happen. We will continue to buy CM and LW for no reason.
Considering the price inflation since we bought him anything other than make our money back would be gross financial stupidity. So given how ed does player dealings we'll sell him for £50m.
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