What was it with Mark Bosnich?

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I hope to get some replies that will give a genuine idea of why Mark Bosnich was barely tolerated by Sir Alex and shoved out when he wanted Barthez. I have always wondered about that. Was it because Sir Alex took a dim view of Bozz`s admittedly airheaded video rompings and scuffles outside of sexclubs?

If so, then why were other players tolerated when they behaved recklessly off the pitch? Was it because Bozzi`s video romp was public? If that was the case, why didn`t Dwight Yorke get the same treatment at the time?

Can someone in the know please enlighten me? Bozzi was not Peter but he made some fantastic saves after a few initial problems such as being overweight. He won Manchester United the Intercontinental Cup in Tokyo although Giggsy was given Man of the Match (much as I hate to admit it, that was unfair).

He really started to grow into the position and then was shoved out for Barthez. He intended to fight for the goalkeeping position but then it was made clear by Sir Alex that nothing Bozzi could do would impress him.

So what happened? Jeff Spicer, anybody?
 
The problem is not with Bosnich. It has always been Fergie who's got the most unpredictable mind.

As we all know very well, the Boss doesn't like people to think they're bigger than him. We've seen this with the sales of so many other players dating back to Bryan Robson, Paul Ince, Kan-Kanchelski, Jaap Stam, Dwight Yorke (finally).

Dwight Yorke was not sold previously because of two things. One he was superb on the pitch, two he respected Fergie. In the end when he wanted more money, he lost respect for the Boss and in the end got the treatment everyone else got.

Ferguson loves team players. All of those who doesn't want to act like his son can all rot in hell.

When Beckham was dropped from so many games last year, it was because Beckham was losing respect. Fergie dropped Becks to show the World he didn't need Becks - hence making Becks realize he's not bigger than Fergie. Luckily for us fans, Becks came to his senses and they patched things up.

Does that help you Giggsgirl?
 
Bosnich was never forgiven for the fact that he signed for Villa. He had been a Utd schoolboy and junior player who had to return to Australia due to work permit problems. Utd helped him sort them out - but by then Schmiechel had been signed and the fat judas signed for Villa rather than sit out in the reserves at Utd. He was even slagged off in the match proigram at the time for his ingrattitude. Add to this his heil hitler gesture at Spurs, the fact that Edwards signed him against Fergie's wishes, his strip club stag night and the fact that he showed up 20 pounds overweight at the start of the season and you can see why he was so disliked.

He is a thorougly nasty piece of work and I am glad that we got rid of him.
 
It does help but do you have any evidence of any particular Bozzie-Ferguson confrontation? I think with Becks the situation there was different.

I believe it is Beck`s business if he is married to a publicity seeking popstar and again his business if he moved away from the lads in the team to become ensconced in the plastic world of fashion and popstar itis.

However, it is fair to conclude that Sir Alex saw Beck`s head being turned by all the publicity generated from his new lifestyle. Much as I love Becks, he has never seemed to be a perceptive or intelligent person (I base this comment on his own words from interviews and his admissions of ignorance about things which a person with average intelligence would be expected to know.

I think it is clear he was lapping up all the adoration from some quarters for his looks and involvement in the world of fashion and plastic people. I see Sir Alex`s bringing him down to earth as justified to a point. He was worried Becks would become immersed in that lifestyle to the detriment of his relationship with Manchester United.

But as for Bossie, what actual instances does anybody know of that caused Sir Alex to cold shoulder him in that way?
 
Thanks oscar74. I knew Bozzi had signed schoolboy forms with Manchester United but I did not know his signing for Villa had earned him so much dislike.

But really, why is he a judas? Doesn`t any ambitious footballer with belief in their own ability go somewhere else when it is clear the club is going to overlook them? I would think Bozzi was smart in going to Villa - why would he want to sit around for years waiting for Schmikes to retire? He was not given the opportunity at that stage of his career and then to screw it up while waiting for Schmikes would have been so tunnel-visioned.

Andy Cole left various clubs because he had the belief he could do better elsewhere and judas is the last name I would give to him. He is a decent man and football player.

As for Bozzi`s character, can you give me any examples? I am not challenging you because I am an Aussie. I am genuinely intrigued. I lived in Ozland and now in Japan and both places are so far from where the action is. Thanks.
 
1) Went back on his word to Fregie when signing for Villa
2) Allegedly the signing was pushed on SAF by the board.
3) He turned up for training overweight and with a bad attitude.
4) Performed reasonably but his kicking was woeful - and that is being generous.
5) Couldn't keep his private life out of the paper to the embarassment of the club.
6) Just not a United quality player.

We were well rid IMO
 
I agree with giggsgirl and don't blame Bosnich for signing for Villa when Schmikes signed for United. The man had a lot of potential and to sit and wait for his chances wouldn't have been the right thing to do.

Ferguson understands this and so that is why he gave Bozzie a chance to prove himself again. But here, i have to agree with Oscar74. Bosnich came back overweight and was not grateful for the chance Fergie has given him.

Staying with Villa at that time would have been a step back for Bozzie... but clearly he didn't relish the chance to play for United as much as he proclaimed. The man was always about stash. All he wanted was more money and once he signed for United, he didn't look one bit like a champion as other United's greats had looked.
 
Originally posted by giggsgirl:
<strong>I lived in Ozland and now in Japan and both places are so far from where the action is. Thanks.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Bosnich is largely percieved in Oz as an arrogant arsehole. He has lost alot of the support he had before signing for United with his attitude since i.e. happy to sit on the bench as long as he is getting a shit load of dosh.
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Bozzi was sold according to my sources for a couple of reasons,

1, His kicking was unbelievably bad.

2, He is an arrogant man, which as we all know, is something Fergie absolutely hates in a man.
 
Giggsgirl. The answer to your question is simple. SAF never wanted Bosnich at OT to begin with. Edwards decided to buy him on a free at which point Fergie was stuck with him. I don't blame the manager for getting rid of a player who he didn't want in the first place.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>The problem is not with Bosnich. It has always been Fergie who's got the most unpredictable mind.

As we all know very well, the Boss doesn't like people to think they're bigger than him. We've seen this with the sales of so many other players dating back to Bryan Robson, Paul Ince, Kan-Kanchelski, Jaap Stam, Dwight Yorke (finally).

Dwight Yorke was not sold previously because of two things. One he was superb on the pitch, two he respected Fergie. In the end when he wanted more money, he lost respect for the Boss and in the end got the treatment everyone else got.

Ferguson loves team players. All of those who doesn't want to act like his son can all rot in hell.

When Beckham was dropped from so many games last year, it was because Beckham was losing respect. Fergie dropped Becks to show the World he didn't need Becks - hence making Becks realize he's not bigger than Fergie. Luckily for us fans, Becks came to his senses and they patched things up.

Does that help you Giggsgirl?</strong><hr></blockquote>

A couple of problems:
1)Bryan Robson wasn't sold. In fact, IMO, he was kept well past his sell by date.
2)Dwight Yorke wasn't brilliant on the pitch towards the end. In fact he was awful. In addition to the fact that he couldn't keep his flies closed, that saw him out of OT.
And as far as Bosnich is concerned, he was fat, couldn't kick, was injury prone, and his attitude stank! Apart from that, he was the model professional.
IMO, SAF has been remarkably consistent in his attitude. If you stop being an asset to the club, you go. Why is that a problem?
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Attitude, stayed planted on the line and lacked kicking ability. The back pass rule was the death knell for keepers like Bosnich. Although he was as they say 'a good shot stopper' and I had no problem with him warming the bench.

There was a superb story about Bosnich being late for his first training session and Keano laying into him...can someone play for me what Keano supposedly said ?
 
Originally posted by andy27457:
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A couple of problems:
1)Bryan Robson wasn't sold. In fact, IMO, he was kept well past his sell by date.
2)Dwight Yorke wasn't brilliant on the pitch towards the end. In fact he was awful. In addition to the fact that he couldn't keep his flies closed, that saw him out of OT.
And as far as Bosnich is concerned, he was fat, couldn't kick, was injury prone, and his attitude stank! Apart from that, he was the model professional.
IMO, SAF has been remarkably consistent in his attitude. If you stop being an asset to the club, you go. Why is that a problem?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Anyway, you'll have to agree with me that over 50% of United players who have left the club since SAF came went on a bad note. Many of them had trouble coping with SAF on a personal level.

We all respect him and believe he gets the best of his players, but there have been times when he made mistakes.

One of 'em which i'm sure many of us will agree was the sale of Stam. He sure isn't punishing Keane as much as he did Stam.

SAF is very sensitive when comes to the respect he gets from everyone around him. He wanted to quit last year because he couldn't cope with the pressure of today's football and the demands of it. Peter Kenyon has been a pr*ck about it and doesn't really get along with SAF. And there are many other reasons why SAF would like to quit the game he loves.

All of his purchases were based on the players' characters. You would never see a United player complaining about his life at United like how Viera has been a disgrace at Highbury. This is because United players know no matter how big they are they can be sold with a flick of a finger of SAF.

How long do you think this will go on for? If United's next buy is a superstar who isn't afraid to share his opinions on TV or with the press. He'll get into hot water with SAF and won't be sold because he's a new buy. Pressure will build and SAF will eventually quit.

But then again, we have all seen that SAF never buys anyone who has a big mouth.

I salute SAF for having kept his power intact after all these years.
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Bosnich turned up 30 minutes late for his first day of training after he came back to United.

Keano laid into him.

It was typical of his whole time at the club.
 
Originally posted by mancred:
<strong>Bosnich turned up 30 minutes late for his first day of training after he came back to United.

Keano laid into him.

It was typical of his whole time at the club.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed.

Keano is always early at training.
Becks has only missed 2 training days at United since he signed pro forms.

Yorke was late for training 4 times in his time at united, the last two times just before he got coldshouldered.

The pattern starts to emerge.

PS all this was assembled from articles and interviews with players. no bullshit here.
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as Keano said in his autobiography Bosnich turned up late for training on his FIRST day then claimed he had got lost. Gave a knowing smirk to Keano who then laid into him.
Keano on his first day at United, called a taxi an hour before training was due to start, then followed the taxi in his own car so he'd know the route for future.
small details but the difference between being a professional with trophies or an arrogant overweight has-been whos wasted his talent
 
No need to feel sorry for him 50 grand a week to be third in line at Chelsea, gimme some of that hardship!
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>as Keano said in his autobiography Bosnich turned up late for training on his FIRST day then claimed he had got lost. Gave a knowing smirk to Keano who then laid into him.
Keano on his first day at United, called a taxi an hour before training was due to start, then followed the taxi in his own car so he'd know the route for future.
small details but the difference between being a professional with trophies or an arrogant overweight has-been whos wasted his talent</strong><hr></blockquote>


Yeah and Barthez ended up in Liverpool after tking a wrong turn on the M62 - not the last time he'd be found wandering out of his area....
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Originally posted by oscar74:
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Yeah and Barthez ended up in Liverpool after tking a wrong turn on the M62 - not the last time he'd be found wandering out of his area....</strong><hr></blockquote>

But Bozzie had been in England long enough to know where the heck he was going. I am sure over the years he had gone to United just to dream about one day playing there. Only to screw it up when he has the chance.
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Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>But then again, we have all seen that SAF never buys anyone who has a big mouth.</strong><hr></blockquote>


You mean apart from Yapp Stam, The Great Dane, Paul Ince, Eric Cantona and Roy Keane :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by jraby:
<strong>No need to feel sorry for him 50 grand a week to be third in line at Chelsea, gimme some of that hardship!</strong><hr></blockquote>

The fact that he's not the 1st choice for Chelsea and Australia(i think) kinda accentuates SAF's wonderful decision to kick his fat arse out of this club. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
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I have always maintained that Mark Bosnich was completely shafted by the club, he was one of the teams best performers at the time and because SAF can be an arrogant arse who thinks he is Manchester United decided he wanted Barthez Bosnich was forced out.

Bosnich didnt sit on the bench for money he sat on the bench in principle and was determined that he would fight his way back in. (incidently when Bosnich was signed he was rated worlds 2nd best keeper in the world by a German mag, second to Toldo)

He never made anything like the mistakes Barthez has made and would have saved alot more than Barthez does. His kicking was a weakness but Schmikes was far from great in that department anyway. Boz refused to leave unless his was given a free because of the way he was treated, SAf finally backed down and gave it too him.

Why Boz isnt Chelseas number 1 is anyones guess because he hasnt put a foot wrong there either. As for having his private life in the paper, thats hardly his fault, the press can be determined to pick on people, Boz and Dwight didnt seek publicity, the press chased them down relentlessly.

Personally Id rather see Boz in the Man Utd side than Barthez anyday, the only reason Boz isnt Australias num1 is because Farina (Aussie coach) said he wouldnt pick players who werent playing on principle, thats why Schwarzer is Aust num 1 now.

On a final note, can anyone say Boz was overweight honestly??? SAF said it in the press but could anyone say he was fat? my opinion? SAF said it to give him justification for dropping a good player.
 
Originally posted by Jason F:

I have always maintained that Mark Bosnich was completely shafted by the club, he was one of the teams best performers at the time and because SAF can be an arrogant arse who thinks he is Manchester United decided he wanted Barthez Bosnich was forced out. <hr></blockquote>

I can agree SAF can be arrogant at times, but what I cannot get myself to agree Bosnich was a performer, let alone best in United's squad at the time. We've done well without Bozzie. Sooner or later Bozzie would have been booted out for his arrogance anyway. At the end of the day, players MUST realize who's the boss. Respect is everything for a man like SAF. No one is nor can be bigger than him.

Bosnich didnt sit on the bench for money he sat on the bench in principle and was determined that he would fight his way back in. <hr></blockquote>

According to his agent, Bozzie was determined to sit and 'wait for his contract to finish' and keep earning his overpaid wages. No one was prepared to offer him the same amount and being as arrogant as he was, he didn't quit United. The same can be said about Yorkie.

(incidently when Bosnich was signed he was rated worlds 2nd best keeper in the world by a German mag, second to Toldo)

He never made anything like the mistakes Barthez has made and would have saved alot more than Barthez does. His kicking was a weakness but Schmikes was far from great in that department anyway. Boz refused to leave unless his was given a free because of the way he was treated, SAf finally backed down and gave it too him. <hr></blockquote>

Schikes made far more assists from his kicks than ever will Bozzie in his whole career I can guarantee you that. United do not have a particularly strong defensive team that can handle the mistakes that were to be made by Bozzie's poor kicking skills. We cannot afford these mistakes to be made and so he just didn't fit the profile. SAF probably brought him in because United were starting to get desperate. Once cash was available to get a better player, there was no need to keep him. Letting him go was out of pity so that he could go sit on somebody else's bench.

<strong> On a final note, can anyone say Boz was overweight honestly??? SAF said it in the press but could anyone say he was fat? my opinion? SAF said it to give him justification for dropping a good player.</strong>
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On my final note, we didn't need to read the press about Bozzie being overweight. You can see it quite clearly on screen, even a 14" black and white TV.
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Originally posted by Jason F:
<strong>I have always maintained that Mark Bosnich was completely shafted by the club, he was one of the teams best performers at the time and because SAF can be an arrogant arse who thinks he is Manchester United decided he wanted Barthez Bosnich was forced out. </strong>

There is only one person who shafted Mark Bosnich - Mark Bosnich

<strong>Bosnich didnt sit on the bench for money he sat on the bench in principle</strong>

He must have many principles given the amount of time he is prepared to spend thinking about them whilst warming the bench. If he had any self respect or any real ambition as a sportsman he would move to a club where he would get 1st team football.

Man City (once the Great Dane retires in 2032) perhaps or Portsmouth ;)

<strong>he was rated worlds 2nd best keeper in the world by a German mag, second to Toldo</strong>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

<strong>His kicking was a weakness but Schmikes was far from great in that department anyway.</strong>

His distribution was useless - can't kick, can't throw. The Great Dane had superb distribution skills - quick breaks starting with the keeper were our trademark

<strong>Why Boz isnt Chelseas number 1 is anyones guess because he hasnt put a foot wrong there either.</strong>

Apart from not being good enough you mean? Their first choice keeper is much much better than Bosnich. Maybe his attitude hasn't improved either?

<strong>As for having his private life in the paper, thats hardly his fault, the press can be determined to pick on people, Boz and Dwight didnt seek publicity, the press chased them down relentlessly.</strong>

If you are a public figure then you have to be stupid and/or arrogant to believe that you can act how you want, when you want.

If your private behaviour reflects badly on your employer then you have to expect sanctions. I know I do.

<strong>Personally Id rather see Boz in the Man Utd side than Barthez anyday</strong>

Why? I am not totally convinced by Barthez but he is a great improvement on Bosnich. Barthez can kick for a start. Once the backpass rule came in Bosnich became a liability.

<strong>On a final note, can anyone say Boz was overweight honestly??? </strong>

Yes, as would anyone who saw him at the time.<hr></blockquote>
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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Anyway, you'll have to agree with me that over 50% of United players who have left the club since SAF came went on a bad note. Many of them had trouble coping with SAF on a personal level.

We all respect him and believe he gets the best of his players, but there have been times when he made mistakes.

One of 'em which i'm sure many of us will agree was the sale of Stam. He sure isn't punishing Keane as much as he did Stam.

SAF is very sensitive when comes to the respect he gets from everyone around him. He wanted to quit last year because he couldn't cope with the pressure of today's football and the demands of it. Peter Kenyon has been a pr*ck about it and doesn't really get along with SAF. And there are many other reasons why SAF would like to quit the game he loves.

All of his purchases were based on the players' characters. You would never see a United player complaining about his life at United like how Viera has been a disgrace at Highbury. This is because United players know no matter how big they are they can be sold with a flick of a finger of SAF.

How long do you think this will go on for? If United's next buy is a superstar who isn't afraid to share his opinions on TV or with the press. He'll get into hot water with SAF and won't be sold because he's a new buy. Pressure will build and SAF will eventually quit.

But then again, we have all seen that SAF never buys anyone who has a big mouth.

I salute SAF for having kept his power intact after all these years.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Once again, I do not nessecarily agree. Many of the players who have left under a cloud have been big enough to admit that SAF was right eg Norman Whiteside, Paul McGrath(eventually), Andre Kanchelskis, Lee Sharpe. Paul Ince doesn't count. He proved he was an arsehole by joining the dippers.
No-one knows why Jaap Stam went! It may have been his book, but what would SAF have to lose by admitting that? It has always struck me as highly significant that he was banned for drugs not long afterwards. And IMO, he was never the same player after his injury. So was SAF wrong? Or woukld we have preferred that the club be tarnished by drugs?
As for signing player who don't complain. I don't think Roy Keane falls into that catagory, nor did Eric. What SAF won't stand for is when an individual starts to have a detrimental effect on the club/team, and this outweighs the benefits. eg Ince.
Annd as for SAF coming a cropper, and resigning over a battle with a star player. It won't happen. Firstly, as you point out, SAF will not sign disloyal players, and as he has proved, he isn't frightened to unload anyone who isn't with him, as Martin Edwards could testify!
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Originally posted by andy27457:
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Once again, I do not nessecarily agree. Many of the players who have left under a cloud have been big enough to admit that SAF was right eg Norman Whiteside, Paul McGrath(eventually), Andre Kanchelskis, Lee Sharpe. Paul Ince doesn't count. He proved he was an arsehole by joining the dippers.
No-one knows why Jaap Stam went! It may have been his book, but what would SAF have to lose by admitting that? It has always struck me as highly significant that he was banned for drugs not long afterwards. And IMO, he was never the same player after his injury. So was SAF wrong? Or woukld we have preferred that the club be tarnished by drugs?
As for signing player who don't complain. I don't think Roy Keane falls into that catagory, nor did Eric. What SAF won't stand for is when an individual starts to have a detrimental effect on the club/team, and this outweighs the benefits. eg Ince.
Annd as for SAF coming a cropper, and resigning over a battle with a star player. It won't happen. Firstly, as you point out, SAF will not sign disloyal players, and as he has proved, he isn't frightened to unload anyone who isn't with him, as Martin Edwards could testify!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I will be more than happy should SAF be able to stand the pressure of modern day footballers and keep his job, but he will by then become probably the most stubborn coaches of the EPL.

With the Stam case, he has his dignity to lose if he came out and tell us all why he punished Stam the way he did. SAF never once opens any doors to arguments. Besides, i think it may have been his lawyers who advised him to keep his mouth shut regarding the issue.

Keane will slowly become a burden to the United flocks if he doesn't stop what he's doing when he returns. We all don't mind if he plays rough on the field and get 10 red cards a season. But what is unacceptable is sharing his intentions with the public.

The difference between Keane and Cantona is Cantona always kept his mouth shut about his bad intentions on the pitch. He could lash out with kung fu kicks against supporters, but he never once came out to say publicly he wanted to kill the man. He apologized.

Cantona left United with dignity. Until today he has never said one bad word about United players, United fans, United boss. This...is sheer class... Keane is showing signs that he lacks it.

I want Keane to remain captain for as long as possible, but to do so he must not hurt his colleagues anymore than he already has.

He may have the backing of all, but how long will this last? If we don't win a thing this season then it may be Keane's head that will have to roll.

My prediction is he will quit the same way Cantona did. Disappointed and feeling responsible the team didn't a trophy because of him.
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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I will be more than happy should SAF be able to stand the pressure of modern day footballers and keep his job, but he will by then become probably the most stubborn coaches of the EPL.

With the Stam case, he has his dignity to lose if he came out and tell us all why he punished Stam the way he did. SAF never once opens any doors to arguments. Besides, i think it may have been his lawyers who advised him to keep his mouth shut regarding the issue.

Keane will slowly become a burden to the United flocks if he doesn't stop what he's doing when he returns. We all don't mind if he plays rough on the field and get 10 red cards a season. But what is unacceptable is sharing his intentions with the public.

The difference between Keane and Cantona is Cantona always kept his mouth shut about his bad intentions on the pitch. He could lash out with kung fu kicks against supporters, but he never once came out to say publicly he wanted to kill the man. He apologized.

Cantona left United with dignity. Until today he has never said one bad word about United players, United fans, United boss. This...is sheer class... Keane is showing signs that he lacks it.

I want Keane to remain captain for as long as possible, but to do so he must not hurt his colleagues anymore than he already has.

He may have the backing of all, but how long will this last? If we don't win a thing this season then it may be Keane's head that will have to roll.

My prediction is he will quit the same way Cantona did. Disappointed and feeling responsible the team didn't a trophy because of him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not sure how we moved onto Keane, but since we have, I tend to agree. IMO, Keano can now go two ways, he can keep quiet, or at least think more carefully about his comments, in which case he'll stay, and maybe even manage the club one day. Or he can carry on talking, in which case a day will come when he will be sold, and a replacement brought in. But it will be SAF who decides when.
As far as Cantona & Keane costing us trophies, that's unfair, they both won us far more than they lost!
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Originally posted by andy27457:
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As far as Cantona & Keane costing us trophies, that's unfair, they both won us far more than they lost!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I didn't say they costed us anything, I said Cantona felt responsible he didn't win us the ECC so he quit. and Keane may do the same if we end up this year without winning.

They are both great men and great captains. A good captain will always feel responsible for not taking the club further. He will quit saying it was all his fault.
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I always found it strange that one of Bosnich's last appearances for Manchester United was <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/football/champions_league/701859.stm" target="_blank">this</a>, a stunning man-of-the-match performance to keep you in Europe. He injured himself in the intervening league game, Carroll played in the second leg, had a mix-up with Keane for an own-goal, and that was that. Bosnich was snubbed following his best ever performance. Strange.
 
wibble got it spot on ..the man couldnt kick off the ground , a real danger ...though he had some good games remember the world championship game in Japan , he was superb that day ,,,but he hasnt done much at Chelsea either ..is he not third choice there ?
 
Only last night I was watching a European Champions League video from the past and I saw Bosnich keep out the likes of Juventus` top players. He played some great games in Europe and wasn`t it Sir Alex who said in a Manchester United magazine I have sitting in my room, that on form Mark was the best goalkeeper in the Premiership? It was indeed.

However, points taken about Mark`s attitude and the fact Sir Alex did not want him in the first place. He did not really help endear himself to the boss. A pity because if you watch some of those European games, the cup match in Tokyo and some Premiership games when Mark was the keeper, his ability was there for all to see.

As for Keano - up until now he has been untouchable because he does not know how to say die in matches and never gives less than 200 percent in every game, whether it is a practise match, a European Cup match or a Premiership match. That is why he has been given more licence than other players.

As for Stam - to me it is clear that if you expose Sir Alex as having committed an illegal action - tapping - in the sense of giving actual proof that it happened in your book, then you will be on your way out of United. No ifs, no buts.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>High Five to you Wibble!

I sure believe all of United fans would shut Jason F with similar remarks as ours.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The only thing yours and anyone elses remarks prove is that your clearly as misguided as all the other muppets out there who think SAF is a nice kind man who can do no wrong and is perfect in anyway.

The treatment of Mark Bosnich was a disgrace, SAF purely did what he did out of sheer vengeance, he was determined that Bosnich wouldnt make it at OT and did so accordingly. As for the comments of wibble and the rest of you....

So we think Bozzie was overweight do we? clear to see on TV we reckon? god help the rest of us, you must weigh all of 45kgs?

As for his bench sitting, Bosnich said HIMSELF through no agents that he would not leave for anything other than a free because he did not want United to collect a fee for him when they paid nothing and treated him like crap.

Bosnichs kicking was a weakness, yet one that never seemed to cause trouble anywhere else except United and on top of that the defence shouldnt be passing back to the keeper under pressure anyway!

Onto Chelsea, So you would rate Cudicini and De Hoey better than Bozzi would you? well i guess if you would rate the worlds best known but far from best keeper Barthez over him than I guess i could expect such misguided comments that he doesnt deserve to be number 1 at Chelsea either. Boz isnt number 1 at Chelsea for the same reason alot of other keepers arent number one at their clubs, he came in last so he wasnt just going to be given the number 1 slot, but he hasnt put a foot wrong for Chelsea in the games he played.

How was Bosnich arrogant??? sure maybe to a degree but no one can convince me that Barthez isnt a thousand time more arrogant than Boz, did Boz ever rule an opposing player offside then let them score? did we ever see him taking on players with a ball? did we ever see him carrying on like an arse with the ball? i dont think so.
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Originally posted by Jason F:
<strong> The only thing yours and anyone elses remarks prove is that your clearly as misguided as all the other muppets out there who think SAF is a nice kind man who can do no wrong and is perfect in anyway.</strong>

What has SAF's disposition got to do with anything? Misguided <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> I am an Australian and I was very pleased when he signed for us. But I still stand by every word I wrote.

<strong>The treatment of Mark Bosnich was a disgrace, SAF purely did what he did out of sheer vengeance, he was determined that Bosnich wouldnt make it at OT and did so accordingly.</strong>

No it wasn't. You reap what you sew.

<strong>As for the comments of wibble and the rest of you....

So we think Bozzie was overweight do we? clear to see on TV we reckon? god help the rest of us, you must weigh all of 45kgs? </strong>

He was very overweight when he turned up for pre-season training. And I don't weight 45kgs but then I'm not a proffesional sportsman on a huge contract am I?

<strong>As for his bench sitting, Bosnich said HIMSELF through no agents that he would not leave for anything other than a free because he did not want United to collect a fee for him when they paid nothing and treated him like crap.</strong>

And if he does the same a chelsea he will be the best paid goalie in the world for playing a handful of first team games in half a decade. Glorious memories to dwell on in your retirement.

<strong>Bosnichs kicking was a weakness, yet one that never seemed to cause trouble anywhere else except United and on top of that the defence shouldnt be passing back to the keeper under pressure anyway!</strong>

Weakness????????? It was diabolical. There was a 50/50 chance that he would shank it off his shin into the crowd directly to his right.

And you can't judge the qulaity of a goalie merely by him being first choice at Villa and third choice at Chelsea. The game United play demands that the goalie should be a good kicker.

<strong>Onto Chelsea, So you would rate Cudicini and De Hoey better than Bozzi would you?</strong>

Yes. Now i would and I guess their manager does too. Unless he is in cahoots with SAF. :rolleyes:

<strong>well i guess if you would rate the worlds best known but far from best keeper Barthez over him than I guess i could expect such misguided comments that he doesnt deserve to be number 1 at Chelsea either.</strong>

I rate Barthez as a better goalie than Bosnich even though I don't think he is good enough really (sorry Elfie). The Great Dane at his peak is the standard we need. And Bosnich isn't half the keeper Cudicini is - who I rate more highly than Barthez BTW.

<strong>Boz isnt number 1 at Chelsea for the same reason alot of other keepers arent number one at their clubs, he came in last so he wasnt just going to be given the number 1 slot, but he hasnt put a foot wrong for Chelsea in the games he played.</strong>

Chelsea obviously didn't sign him on 50k per week as a mere backup did they? He was meant to replace De Hoey. Cuducini was baought as a backup to De Hoey and before Bosnich (just) but has taken his chance (after Bosnich didn't put a foot wrong and then got injured yet again) and has looke very very good since. And he can kick.

<strong>How was Bosnich arrogant??? sure maybe to a degree but no one can convince me that Barthez isnt a thousand time more arrogant than Boz, did Boz ever rule an opposing player offside then let them score? did we ever see him taking on players with a ball? did we ever see him carrying on like an arse with the ball? i dont think so.</strong>

You are confusing gamesmanship and arrogance. Have you ever sen Bosnich interviewed? He's a smarmy, arrogant and smug git of the first order. I have heard this confirmed by people who played with him. Even those who like him personally. He could just about get away with it when he was a big fish in a small pond (Villa) but the same thing doesn't wash at a big club like United and especially now that he isn't a regular in anything but the reserve team of an average/good PL team. Self wasted talent IMO.<hr></blockquote>
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Originally posted by Jason F:
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Bosnichs kicking was a weakness, yet one that never seemed to cause trouble anywhere else except United and on top of that the defence shouldnt be passing back to the keeper under pressure anyway!
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When Bosnich kick the ball, it would land at best at the halfline. That kind of clearance only put the defence under more pressure than they have to.
Look at Barthez, even with all his antics (which he doesn't do anymore) he could launch a counter attack from the his clearance, something that Bosnich could never do.
United need a keeper who can kick, simple as that. And Bosnich is not that player.

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Boz isnt number 1 at Chelsea for the same reason alot of other keepers arent number one at their clubs, he came in last so he wasnt just going to be given the number 1 slot, but he hasnt put a foot wrong for Chelsea in the games he played.
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now this is interesting.
how come a player arrival time at the club could made him not a first team player?
Cudiccini is good, last season, if it wasn't for him we would won at least with 5 goals instead of 3. Look, if Bosnich is really good enough to play for United, surely he would be Chelsea's first keeper by now. If you claim it was because of Fergie, well Ranieri doesn't have anything against Bosnich, why wouldn't he played him ?
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Originally posted by Jason F:
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The only thing yours and anyone elses remarks prove is that your clearly as misguided as all the other muppets out there who think SAF is a nice kind man who can do no wrong and is perfect in anyway.

The treatment of Mark Bosnich was a disgrace, SAF purely did what he did out of sheer vengeance, he was determined that Bosnich wouldnt make it at OT and did so accordingly.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think I have much left to say as Wibble seemed to have made my day with thorough understanding of the Bozzie situation.
First of all Jason F, SAF is a great manager, but no, he doesn't exactly have the friendly attitude. He is a great manager because he doesn't beg for his players to be professional. He expects his players to be professional. He is no nursery teachers who have to make a 27-year-old play good football and be professional about it.

Bozzie was a cry baby when he was at United. Maybe he's happy on the bench at Chelsea now, but when he was at United he was expecting to be pampered. No Jason F, SAF doesn't pamper nobody.

We have seen how he dealt with other situations involving the superstars at United. Kanchelskis was sold, Ince was sold, Stam was sold,... and a few more names in which we don't need to get into.

My point is, we only and only accept professionalism at United. Don't ask me if i weight all of my 45kg, wibble told you we are not professional footballers. But I am sure that if I did play professionally i would not disgrace my fans coming out looking like Colenel Sander after his KFC meal.

We played Bosnich for a year, he proved himself to be a good keeper, but his attitude outside the game just didn't suit the atmosphere at United. He lacked professionalism - the love of the game in a proper way.

I don't think SAF is perfect, there are many things i would have done differently if i was in his place. But one thing I'd surely do the same as him was to let go of Bosnich after all the trouble he's made of himself.
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How was Bosnich arrogant??? sure maybe to a degree but no one can convince me that Barthez isnt a thousand time more arrogant than Boz, did Boz ever rule an opposing player offside then let them score? did we ever see him taking on players with a ball? did we ever see him carrying on like an arse with the ball? i dont think so.


Not arrogant? chelsea fans remarked that he is so arrrogant that he never signs autographs, behaving like the super star player he thought he is.
"he's not even first choice keeper, and still behaves like a big shot.." chelsea fans moaned...

their fave player is zola btw..
and i m not a chelsea fan...
 
Originally posted by Jason F:
<strong>Personally Id rather see Boz in the Man Utd side than Barthez anyday, the only reason Boz isnt Australias num1 is because Farina (Aussie coach) said he wouldnt pick players who werent playing on principle, thats why Schwarzer is Aust num 1 now.

On a final note, can anyone say Boz was overweight honestly??? SAF said it in the press but could anyone say he was fat? my opinion? SAF said it to give him justification for dropping a good player.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I applaud Frank Farina for selecting Mark Schwarzer infront of Mark Bosnich during the last World Cup qualifying attempt. Bozza's arrogant attitude the squad didn't need.

Of course Bozza was overweight, that first training session at the MCG on the Wednesday night before the Thursday night game against Australia, Bozza struggled compared with RVG who was 36 at the time, but easily looked much fitter than Bosnich.

Considering that Bozza lived in England for so many years before he joined United and the fact that one of his best mates in Dwight Yorke was already at the club, being late for training is no real excuse. How many players like Keano when they arrive at United, turn up to training early because they realise who they are playing for.

Barthez has made some crucial mistakes for us, but how many goals did we concede from poor Bozza clearances. The players became too focused on playing the ball back to Bozza's left foot.
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Originally posted by Jason F:
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Onto Chelsea, So you would rate Cudicini and De Hoey better than Bozzi would you? well i guess if you would rate the worlds best known but far from best keeper Barthez over him than I guess i could expect such misguided comments that he doesnt deserve to be number 1 at Chelsea either. Boz isnt number 1 at Chelsea for the same reason alot of other keepers arent number one at their clubs, he came in last so he wasnt just going to be given the number 1 slot, but he hasnt put a foot wrong for Chelsea in the games he played.

How was Bosnich arrogant??? sure maybe to a degree but no one can convince me that Barthez isnt a thousand time more arrogant than Boz, did Boz ever rule an opposing player offside then let them score? did we ever see him taking on players with a ball? did we ever see him carrying on like an arse with the ball? i dont think so.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Barthez is not arrogant. He wants to take pleasure on the pitch and he considers that football is a game. He doesn't do that to humiliate the players. You can like it or not, but this is not arrogance.

"The worlds best known but far from best keeper Barthez" ? What a cnut you are. If he's known, it's because he deserves it. And don't go with "he plays for France behind a good defence" because he has often saved us with crucial and impressive saves, that were really impressive. Ferguson is not crazy, even if he doesn't like Bosnisch, if he had been that good he would have kept him, because he wants to win titles.
As for Barthez wandering of his area, it's just anticipation. Most of the times he cuts the action before it comes to the goal. But you're too stupid to understand that. Last year it didn't work because he had problems but he does well this year.
feck off.
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