What should we do for the right wing if we don't get Sancho in the upcoming window?

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Yes they did...

No they didn't. They pretty much said the same thing as I did and yet you weren't implying that I done it. Why don't you re-read it again think what makes mine and others different.

And I ask you that because I’m trying to point out to you how stupid it would be to sign a winger who is so far used to playing with Chris Wood as his attacking outlet. Of course we don’t have a target man. The closest to that is Ighalo who won’t start for us anyway. It would be a waste of money.

How would McNeil benefit Wan Bissaka? I agree Wan Bissaka is better than a lot of people give him credit for but he can’t be responsible for an entire wing.

I’ll admit I don’t get how Lionel Messi’s career has any bearing on Dwight McNeil’s as you are trying to suggest that because Messi (arguably the greatest player ever) has move positions McNeil could too.

I agree McNeil is playing to suit Burnley because guess what? McNeil’s game play and qualities suits a side like Burnley because he’s hardworking, quick and a great crosser. Exactly what Burnley with a target man approach needs.

Giggs and Young were not just crossers. Giggs could dribble, pass and score and Young when at Villa was brilliant. Giggs slowly moved central in his career as he lost pace he’d drift into central areas by his own admission. He even had to see an eye specialist as his peripheral vision was weaker on the left side. It’s not as easy as any player can do it.

We’re not going to agree on this so we’ll have to agree to disagree.

In case you missed it (which to be expected from you), I called McNeil name not because it's my suggestion that we should sign him but because I said it's better & safer candidate than Bryan Mbuemo. If you have problem with McNeil is used to playing with Wood, you might want to re-evaluate your post because Mbuemo is playing with Championship player. Before start talking about agree to disagree, you should learn how to read the post properly before replying to others, if you only want to create new argument, you post it yourself and don't get others involved. You attention seeker.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

In 14/15 Leicester finished 46 points behind chelsea and won the league season after
In 15/16 Chelsea finished 10th - 31 Points behind the champions and won the title by 5 points.

We already made one signing in January, If we make 1 signing and keep Ighalo then we could be challenging.

You are just randomly picking them based on "points" without looking at the bigger picture of the situation.

What Leicester did was something very rare, that's why people called it "FREAK". They finished with 81 points, while this Liverpool team is capable to finish the season with 90+ or even 100 points. The gaps is massive, unless if this is happening again next season which is something we shouldn't be expecting.

That Chelsea team won the league in 14/15. It's a team with players who already have winning team to win the league unlike ours.

I don't know what is your definition of challenging. However, Liverpool is a team that capable to finish their season with 90+ points or even 100. Not only they are about to do it this season but they done it last season. Another additional player alone isn't good enough to get us into challenging. If we want to catch Liverpool, both Rashford & Martial will need to step up to world class level. Something anywhere near Salah & Mane in their current level right now.

 

[romufc]

You are just randomly picking them based on "points" without looking at the bigger picture of the situation.

What Leicester did was something very rare, that's why people called it "FREAK". They finished with 81 points, while this Liverpool team is capable to finish the season with 90+ or even 100 points. The gaps is massive, unless if this is happening again next season which is something we shouldn't be expecting.

That Chelsea team won the league in 14/15. It's a team with players who already have winning team to win the league unlike ours.

I don't know what is your definition of challenging. However, Liverpool is a team that capable to finish their season with 90+ points or even 100. Not only they are about to do it this season but they done it last season. Another additional player alone isn't good enough to get us into challenging. If we want to catch Liverpool, both Rashford & Martial will need to step up to world class level. Something anywhere near Salah & Mane in their current level right now.

You asked for evidence, I provided it. Freak or not it has happened 2 times in the last 8 seasons..

fine, how about Liverpool finishing 4th with 75 points in 17/18 and then challenging for the title last season? they added a Keeper and a CDM. Did they have a winning the league team?

I don't know if you have been paying attention to English football recently, but alot of teams can win it.
Lastly, I dont know what your definition of couple is because in my book it is not one, which is what I said.. couple signings.

 

[Manutd1990]

The pandemic could stop us from getting sancho, in that case i would wait another year for him. sign Grealish for depth, and use James and Greenwood as right wingers,
James will be fantastic if he sorts out his dicisionmaking.

 

[yo@Kirk]

You do realise we would still need a RW? One injury to Greenwood and we are back to using James/Mata on the RW.
Having Sancho means Mason continues floating in between the RW/CF positions in cup games/a few PL games which is what he needs now not the pressure of starting for a Utd team that`s 37 points off the top.

Someone has to start at RW in the remaining 2019/20 matches. That someone will not be Jadon Sancho. It should be Mason Greenwood because he's the best RW in the squad that will be available to play the remaining 2019/20 season and gives United the best chance finishing in the Top 4, imo.

 

[SweetRightFoot]

You asked for evidence, I provided it. Freak or not it has happened 2 times in the last 8 seasons..

fine, how about Liverpool finishing 4th with 75 points in 17/18 and then challenging for the title last season? they added a Keeper and a CDM. Did they have a winning the league team?

I don't know if you have been paying attention to English football recently, but alot of teams can win it.
Lastly, I dont know what your definition of couple is because in my book it is not one, which is what I said.. couple signings.

True. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that if we get Sancho or another high quality attacking player we can't push for the title. Bruno, Rashford, Pogba, Maguire, AWB, De Gea are all elite players and some of the best in the league for their position. Players like Mctominay, Martial and Lindelof are all good enough to work with them. We've also got a strong back up squad of youth in almost every position to fill gaps and rotate such as Williams and Greenwood and I suspect a few other faces like Garner, Laird and Gomes who I expect to get good minutes next season.

Right Wing/Right AM is our hole, similar to Liverpool before Van Dijk. Fill that with quality and we're gunna be a seriously competitive team.

 

[Garry Buck]

No way we get Sancho this summer.

Dortmund will no way lower the asking price and we won’t pay what they want due to obvious reasons.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

You asked for evidence, I provided it. Freak or not it has happened 2 times in the last 8 seasons..

fine, how about Liverpool finishing 4th with 75 points in 17/18 and then challenging for the title last season? they added a Keeper and a CDM. Did they have a winning the league team?

I don't know if you have been paying attention to English football recently, but alot of teams can win it.
Lastly, I dont know what your definition of couple is because in my book it is not one, which is what I said.. couple signings.

I wouldn’t bother with him. Whenever you prove him wrong or call him out on his opinion he’ll just say You don’t read or that the proof you give isn’t good enough for him. Or he’ll call you names.

You gave really good reasons and clear evidence for your opinion 2/8 of the last seasons is significant enough to consider
It possible and he’s rejected it and you’ll end up doing what I’ve done and waste time justifying yourself to someone incapable of accepted any opinion other than his own.

Your post was really good you’re not going to get through to him.

No they didn't. They pretty much said the same thing as I did and yet you weren't implying that I done it. Why don't you re-read it again think what makes mine and others different.



In case you missed it (which to be expected from you), I called McNeil name not because it's my suggestion that we should sign him but because I said it's better & safer candidate than Bryan Mbuemo. If you have problem with McNeil is used to playing with Wood, you might want to re-evaluate your post because Mbuemo is playing with Championship player. Before start talking about agree to disagree, you should learn how to read the post properly before replying to others, if you only want to create new argument, you post it yourself and don't get others involved. You attention seeker.

Several posters said it before you did yet you take it so personally it’s sad. I just disagree with you.

I didn’t miss your post. I just think McNeil is a stupid suggestion and I’ve outlined my reasons. I also think Mbeumo isn’t suited for us.

I genuinely think you have a problem if you think I don’t read these posts when you have mis read and misinterpreted my posts and others in this very thread.

 

[fps]

No way we get Sancho this summer.

Dortmund will no way lower the asking price and we won’t pay what they want due to obvious reasons.

Ironically, it is perhaps the summer where Manchester United will look most attractive, having the money at a time when the player wants to move.

 

[NoPace]

The more I think about it the more I could see the non-Sancho idea, if he doesn't move elsewhere and we're still confident we can get him in the summer of 2021, would just being to sign Grealish and make Rashford play on the right and told to go score goals for a season like the role Mbappe plays for France or Richarlison often for Everton. Do we even know if Ole thinks Rashford is significantly better on the left than than the right?

--------------Martial------Rashford
Grealish---------------------------------
----------Pogba-----Bruno-------
------------------Fred------------------
Shaw-Maguire-CB-WanBissaka
----------------De Gea-----------------

would be my starting lineup prediction for our first game of the season. No idea who the CB is, if it's a signing like Koulibaly or we only sign a youngster like Rodon or nobody and one of Lindelof or Bailly is first choice. And obviously Pogba could go, though that only furthers the case for signing Grealish.

 

[romufc]

I wouldn’t bother with him. Whenever you prove him wrong or call him out on his opinion he’ll just say You don’t read or that the proof you give isn’t good enough for him. Or he’ll call you names.

You gave really good reasons and clear evidence for your opinion 2/8 of the last seasons is significant enough to consider
It possible and he’s rejected it and you’ll end up doing what I’ve done and waste time justifying yourself to someone incapable of accepted any opinion other than his own.

Your post was really good you’re not going to get through to him.

The premier league has changed considerably over the last 10 years where you just cannot tell what will happen. If you now look at the players at our disposal with the addition of 2 players we have to expect a challenge. Liverpool have had an amazing season. We have seen it in the past with Chelsea when they walked the league under Conte and the next season they struggled. City have had 2 outstanding campaigns and fallen of this. This is Liverpools second brilliant season, I expect a slight drop from this season.

If the teams on top are going to drop a level and we pick up a level, we should be up there.

I have seen with the poster, any evidence comes with a OH BUT.

 

[romufc]

True. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that if we get Sancho or another high quality attacking player we can't push for the title. Bruno, Rashford, Pogba, Maguire, AWB, De Gea are all elite players and some of the best in the league for their position. Players like Mctominay, Martial and Lindelof are all good enough to work with them. We've also got a strong back up squad of youth in almost every position to fill gaps and rotate such as Williams and Greenwood and I suspect a few other faces like Garner, Laird and Gomes who I expect to get good minutes next season.

Right Wing/Right AM is our hole, similar to Liverpool before Van Dijk. Fill that with quality and we're gunna be a seriously competitive team.

If there are suggestions that with Sancho, potentially we have the best forward line up. Now add that up with one of the best defensive RB, Maguire and DDG we are a solid team.

As you said the RW is a crucial position for us, I think Ole knows that and will look to fill that void in the next window.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

If there are suggestions that with Sancho, potentially we have the best forward line up. Now add that up with one of the best defensive RB, Maguire and DDG we are a solid team.

As you said the RW is a crucial position for us, I think Ole knows that and will look to fill that void in the next window.

Pogba Bruno and Fred trio at their best and you can make a case for best midfield in the league

 

[romufc]

Pogba Bruno and Fred trio at their best and you can make a case for best midfield in the league

That is why I do not get why some fans feel we cannot compete?

Not only do they have quality, we have them at a very good age.

Martial, Bruno, Rashford, Lindelof, Shaw, AWB, McTominay, James are all 25 and under with Maguire and Pogba 26.

Considering that the players of other teams are all approaching 30's.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

It really isn't out of the realm of possibilities that if we get Sancho we can win the league. We would have a squad that should be able to beat any lower or mid table opposition. The top teams who should give us a problem also struggled against us this season with a weaker squad. I think the key is taking it one game at a time. We obviously would lose some matches but in theory we should be able to win most

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

You asked for evidence, I provided it. Freak or not it has happened 2 times in the last 8 seasons..

That's like saying if Ronaldo could win ballon dor 5x then Rashford can win 5x as well.

fine, how about Liverpool finishing 4th with 75 points in 17/18 and then challenging for the title last season? they added a Keeper and a CDM. Did they have a winning the league team?

I don't know if you have been paying attention to English football recently, but alot of teams can win it.
Lastly, I dont know what your definition of couple is because in my book it is not one, which is what I said.. couple signings.

You replied to my post that mentioned "If we sign Sancho or new RW now, we’ll still battle for 4th place anyway. That new RW isn’t going to closed that 37 points gaps with Liverpool".

I never actually mentioned this "couple signings" to begin with, the point was if we only sign Sancho or RW this summer.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

That's like saying if Ronaldo could win ballon dor 5x then Rashford can win 5x as well.



You replied to my post that mentioned "If we sign Sancho or new RW now, we’ll still battle for 4th place anyway. That new RW isn’t going to closed that 37 points gaps with Liverpool".

I never actually mentioned this "couple signings" to begin with, the point was if we only sign Sancho or RW this summer.

Such a terrible analogy

 

[romufc]

That's like saying if Ronaldo could win ballon dor 5x then Rashford can win 5x as well.



You replied to my post that mentioned "If we sign Sancho or new RW now, we’ll still battle for 4th place anyway. That new RW isn’t going to closed that 37 points gaps with Liverpool".

I never actually mentioned this "couple signings" to begin with, the point was if we only sign Sancho or RW this summer.

How is that comparable? Players like Ronaldo don't come often, him and messi are on another level.

Do you understand that the points recovered were by 3 different teams? Leicester, Chelsea and Liverpool?

Even if we sign Sancho, top 4 would not be what we will be challenging. Without Pogba, Bruno we are challenging for top 4, so with Pogba back, Bruno in the team and hopefully a RW, we can challenge for the title yes.

 

[UnitedSofa]

How is that comparable? Players like Ronaldo don't come often, him and messi are on another level.

Do you understand that the points recovered were by 3 different teams? Leicester, Chelsea and Liverpool?

Even if we sign Sancho, top 4 would not be what we will be challenging. Without Pogba, Bruno we are challenging for top 4, so with Pogba back, Bruno in the team and hopefully a RW, we can challenge for the title yes.

That's such a contradictory and confusing sentence, are you drunk?

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Several posters said it before you did yet you take it so personally it’s sad. I just disagree with you.

Why don't you start looking at yourself first before start talking non-sense. I literally asked one simple question, but the one who took it personally is you. "Why are you telling me that like I did one?"

It was a simple & reasonable question. And yet you replied the question/post with an insult because you can't understand it.

You even said that you were agreeing with me and you were not implying I had done that it. And now you changed your mind that "I did it" and you "disagree with me". You are all over the place right now, make up your mind.

If only you read people post first and understand why the poster make the question or the point, this argument wouldn't even happened.

I didn’t miss your post. I just think McNeil is a stupid suggestion and I’ve outlined my reasons. I also think Mbeumo isn’t suited for us.

I genuinely think you have a problem if you think I don’t read these posts when you have mis read and misinterpreted my posts and others in this very thread.

Pretty sure if you ask anyone will say McNeil is a better one than Mbeumo.

I have a problem that I'm trying to learn how to talk to someone who is all over the place. It's a very problematic to have a proper discussion to someone like you who can't make up their mind and not only that, you are an attention seeker who always jumped in into people conversation and tend to turn simple thing into big deal.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

That's such a contradictory and confusing sentence, are you drunk?

How?? Without Sancho Pogba and Bruno we challenged for top 4. Add those people and we can challenge for the title

 

[rotherham_red]

If the Ousmane Dembele rumours are true and he's available for 37m, then I'd go for him.

Brooks and Chiesa are very good shouts as well, though for differing reasons. We could probably do with Brooks in any case, as a good quality, Dan James-level squad player.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

How is that comparable? Players like Ronaldo don't come often, him and messi are on another level.

Do you understand that the points recovered were by 3 different teams? Leicester, Chelsea and Liverpool?

That's exactly what I'm saying. What Liverpool did in the last two seasons is on another level compared to what Chelsea & Leicester did.

Even if we sign Sancho, top 4 would not be what we will be challenging. Without Pogba, Bruno we are challenging for top 4, so with Pogba back, Bruno in the team and hopefully a RW, we can challenge for the title yes.

So from this "couple signings" to RW now. Okay, you know what, I can't keep going back and forth talking about this.

Like I've mentioned before if we want to be closed to Liverpool's level, we'll need to have Salah & Mane similar level means Rashford & Martial will need to step up into world class level. One RW alone without those two stepping up into world class won't make us to be close on Liverpool's level. To put it simple, the current Rashford, Martial & Sancho are still way below their front three.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Such a terrible analogy

The point I was making is that what both Chelsea & Leicester did to win the league in 2016 & 2017 is not comparable to what Liverpool is doing right now. In other word, it's on different level, it's exactly like comparing Rashford level to Ronaldo level.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

How?? Without Sancho Pogba and Bruno we challenged for top 4. Add those people and we can challenge for the title

Add Sancho and start comparing the XI & the bench to Liverpool's based on the current level & impact. Let's see if you'll understand.

 

[romufc]

That's such a contradictory and confusing sentence, are you drunk?

Yes, I am

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Add Sancho and start comparing the XI & the bench to Liverpool's based on the current level & impact. Let's see if you'll understand.

Let's look at the stats of the attackers this season in th

Rashford - 14 goals 6 assist in 22 games
Mane - 14 goals 9 assists in 26 games

Martial - 11 goals 3 assist in 23 games
Firmino - 8 goals 7 assists in 29 games

Sancho - 17 goals 17 assists in 27 games (Holy shit!!)
Salah -16 goals 6 assists in 26 games

These stats are only from the premier league and Bundesliga and as you can see our attack which is young and can only get better matches up to theirs. The Bundesliga has obviously caused Sancho's stats to skyrocket but I'm not going to use that to reduce his quality as a player. If you like you can take away 10 g+a contributions from Sancho to make it fairer and it still matches up

On our midfield I'd say Liverpool has a midfield trio that perfectly suits their system. But we can't judge Bruno Pogba and Fred trio because we haven't seen them. However pick them out individually and our midfield is superior to theirs

On defence only Van Dijk and Robertson is better than what we have in our starting line up. Our RB is the best in defense and theirs is the best in attack. And Maguire is the better than their 2nd CB. Overall though I'd say their defense is better

It's hard to compare the bench but I'll give you this one and say Liverpool's is slightly better even though I'm not so sure tbh

Overall Liverpool is better but we can't say it's impossible to challenge them for the title when our squad plus Sancho is almost as good as theirs

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Let's look at the stats of the attackers this season in th

Rashford - 14 goals 6 assist in 22 games
Mane - 14 goals 9 assists in 26 games

Martial - 11 goals 3 assist in 23 games
Firmino - 8 goals 7 assists in 29 games

Sancho - 17 goals 17 assists in 27 games (Holy shit!!)
Salah -16 goals 6 assists in 26 games

These stats are only from the premier league and Bundesliga and as you can see our attack which is young and can only get better matches up to theirs. The Bundesliga has obviously caused Sancho's stats to skyrocket but I'm not going to use that to reduce his quality as a player. If you like you can take away 10 g+a contributions from Sancho to make it fairer and it still matches up

On our midfield I'd say Liverpool has a midfield trio that perfectly suits their system. But we can't judge Bruno Pogba and Fred trio because we haven't seen them. However pick them out individually and our midfield is superior to theirs

On defence only Van Dijk and Robertson is better than what we have in our starting line up. Our RB is the best in defense and theirs is the best in attack. And Maguire is the better than their 2nd CB. Overall though I'd say their defense is better

It's hard to compare the bench but I'll give you this one and say Liverpool's is slightly better even though I'm not so sure tbh

Overall Liverpool is better but we can't say it's impossible to challenge them for the title when our squad plus Sancho is almost as good as theirs

Both of their midfield & full back have different way to offer compare to ours. For example they rely on their full back to create chances while we rely on our midfield to create chances. If our right back is better in defending than their right back, their midfield is better in defending than both Bruno & Pogba individually. You cannot just ignore the impact what their midfield & defenders can offer defensively & offensively.

Defensively they are the best in the league, only conceded 21 goals, while we conceded 30 goals, and they played Adrian as GK in some of their games. Offensively we scored 66 goals while we scored 44 goals.

The trio is the massive difference here. Not only their fitness is way off the chart compared to ours, Salah & Mane are proven capable to score 20+ league goals per season or even 30+ league goals while Martial, Sancho & Rashford are still not on that level yet which is why I believe even if we don't get Sancho or no, the first thing that will make us to challenge the league is that if both Rashford & Martial stepped up into world class level. In 5 months you might see them scoring similar number of goals, in the next following 5 months you'll expect them to maintain it consistently while ours might drop drastically. The difference of being world class.

And just to reduce your "holly shit" hype on Bundesliga stats. Haller scored 15 league goals & 9 assists 23 appearances with 6 subs with Frankfurt. While he only scored 7 league goals & 1 assist with West Ham 24 appearances with 3 subs.

 

[romufc]

That's exactly what I'm saying. What Liverpool did in the last two seasons is on another level compared to what Chelsea & Leicester did.



So from this "couple signings" to RW now. Okay, you know what, I can't keep going back and forth talking about this.

Like I've mentioned before if we want to be closed to Liverpool's level, we'll need to have Salah & Mane similar level means Rashford & Martial will need to step up into world class level. One RW alone without those two stepping up into world class won't make us to be close on Liverpool's level. To put it simple, the current Rashford, Martial & Sancho are still way below their front three.

What Liverpool did was overcome a 25 point gap.. to challenge for the title. No one then thought it was a world class team.

No we don't, we need the whole team to step up. We could have Bruno, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, RW all at a very high level and still manage to overcome the points.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

What Liverpool did was overcome a 25 point gap.. to challenge for the title. No one then thought it was a world class team.

No we don't, we need the whole team to step up. We could have Bruno, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, RW all at a very high level and still manage to overcome the points.

In that season of the 25 point gap. Liverpool scored 84 goals. 2nd highest in the league, above United (68) & Spurs (74) and to make it even more promising they reached final CL. And the next window they signed Fabinho, Shaqiri & Allison while both Trent & Mane stepped up to different level. So it wasn't really just one signing + Van Dijk alone that makes them closing the gap.

I don't get what you're arguing on this one. I clearly have made myself clear enough multiple times that Sancho or this RW doesn't hold the key for us to catch Liverpool. So even with the exact current squad, we can still challenge the league but that's only if both Rashford & Martial step up to world class level.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Both of their midfield & full back have different way to offer compare to ours. For example they rely on their full back to create chances while we rely on our midfield to create chances. If our right back is better in defending than their right back, their midfield is better in defending than both Bruno & Pogba individually. You cannot just ignore the impact what their midfield & defenders can offer defensively & offensively.

Defensively they are the best in the league, only conceded 21 goals, while we conceded 30 goals, and they played Adrian as GK in some of their games. Offensively we scored 66 goals while we scored 44 goals.

The trio is the massive difference here. Not only their fitness is way off the chart compared to ours, Salah & Mane are proven capable to score 20+ league goals per season or even 30+ league goals while Martial, Sancho & Rashford are still not on that level yet which is why I believe even if we don't get Sancho or no, the first thing that will make us to challenge the league is that if both Rashford & Martial stepped up into world class level. In 5 months you might see them scoring similar number of goals, in the next following 5 months you'll expect them to maintain it consistently while ours might drop drastically. The difference of being world class.

And just to reduce your "holly shit" hype on Bundesliga stats. Haller scored 15 league goals & 9 assists 23 appearances with 6 subs with Frankfurt. While he only scored 7 league goals & 1 assist with West Ham 24 appearances with 3 subs.

Isn't this what you're doing. Ignoring the impact of what Bruno Pogba and Fred can have offensive and what Shaw and AwB can have defensively

For the second bolded part you can go back to my post where i said Liverpool has a better defense than us overall. And you say they have scored 22 more goals than us but so far this season Salah Mane and Firmino have all missed 6 matches combined meanwhile Rashford and Martial have missed 13 games combined. And plus we don't have Sancho who would have added to our goals scored. You're also ignoring Pogba and Bruno who would have added to our goals scored if they weren't absent through out the season

For the third bolded part The post I was referring to spoke about 'current level' and if we go by that Martial Rashford and Sancho have similar stats to Liverpool's trio.

For the 4th bolded part Aubameyang had 31 goals and 2 assists in his last full season at dortmund where he played 32 games. I don't know what you were trying to prove there

 

[romufc]

In that season of the 25 point gap. Liverpool scored 84 goals. 2nd highest in the league, above United (68) & Spurs (74) and to make it even more promising they reached final CL. And the next window they signed Fabinho, Shaqiri & Allison while both Trent & Mane stepped up to different level. So it wasn't really just one signing + Van Dijk alone that makes them closing the gap.

I don't get what you're arguing on this one. I clearly have made myself clear enough multiple times that Sancho or this RW doesn't hold the key for us to catch Liverpool. So even with the exact current squad, we can still challenge the league but that's only if both Rashford & Martial step up to world class level.

So now you are changing the goal post? is it points that matter or goals scored? because Jose's second season we conceded one of the least goals, did we win the league year after?

Spurs got to the CL final last year and made 3 signings, are they fighting for the league? I do not get what you are getting at?

I have made it clear to that a RW is enough to catch liverpool / city if Pogba stays... Oh are you forgetting they sold Coutinho too that season?

If VVD can be the reason to close the gap, why can't Sancho.. Plus you are forgetting we got Bruno and Ighalo too. Rashford and Martial have stepped up this season havent they?

We need to be lucky with injuries, like Liverpoool have.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Isn't this what you're doing. Ignoring the impact of what Bruno Pogba and Fred can have offensive and what Shaw and AwB can have defensively

How's so? Did you read the first 3 sentences in the first paragraph which clearly I said something what our midfield & our right back offered.

For the second bolded part you can go back to my post where i said Liverpool has a better defense than us overall.

And?

I mentioned that to tell you as a team they are better in those two aspects. Defenders aren't the only reason why team is better in defense. Their midfield also provide the help for it which is why I told you that you ignored the impact of their midfield.

And you say their attacking trio has scored 22 more goals than us but so far this season Salah Mane and Firmino have all missed 6 matches combined meanwhile Rashford and Martial have missed 13 games combined. And plus we don't have Sancho who would have added to our goals scored

That's not how football works in the team though. Wijnaldum scored 11 goals with Newcastle. He didn't add that similar amount of goal with Liverpool in a season.

For the third bolded part The post I was referring to spoke about 'current level' and if we go by that Martial Rashford and Sancho have similar stats to Liverpool's trio.

You shouldn't ignore the last sentence of that paragraph. It's important to give the idea of what makes their level are currently still different.

For the 4th bolded part Aubameyang had 31 goals and 2 assists in his last full season at dortmund where he played 32 games. I don't know what you were trying to prove there

Bundesliga is below EPL tier that's what I'm trying to tell you.

 

[SweetRightFoot]

Why is @UNITED ACADEMY trying to argue that Rashford isn't already outscoring Mane and Salah? Why is he trying to underplay VVD's effect on Liverpool? Why is he ignoring our wealth of youth players who are improving every year? Why is he so fecking negative?

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

So now you are changing the goal post? is it points that matter or goals scored? because Jose's second season we conceded one of the least goals, did we win the league year after?

How in your view that you think I'm changing the goal post?

I was making a point that despite of them being 4th place and 25 points behind, they reached final CL & their league goal scoring number showed some promising to be in the title challenger next following season. With the additional of both Mane & Trent massive improvement and spent 170m pounds on 4 players, they closed the gaps.

Spurs got to the CL final last year and made 3 signings, are they fighting for the league? I do not get what you are getting at?

I don't know whether you are playing dumb on me here but I was actually expecting you to be smart enough to know the difference between Spurs & Liverpool situation.

Toby, Vertonghen, Rose are declining and they lost Trippier without replacing him. Liverpool wouldn't close that 25 points gaps if their defense is in decline & they lost Trent the next following season.

I have made it clear to that a RW is enough to catch liverpool / city if Pogba stays... Oh are you forgetting they sold Coutinho too that season?

If VVD can be the reason to close the gap, why can't Sancho..

First of all VVD was already the best PL centre back at that time. Second, Salah was world class. Third, it wasn't just 1 signing that close the gaps but another 4 signings. Fourth, it wasn't just signings that close gaps but also the fact that both Mane & Trent made massive improvement to different level which make the losing Coutinho as a small loss.

Plus you are forgetting we got Bruno and Ighalo too. Rashford and Martial have stepped up this season havent they?

We need to be lucky with injuries, like Liverpoool have.

I don't get what you are getting at. The fact that I said we can still challenge the league with the current squad sums up that I'm not ignoring the others like Bruno & Ighalo, that's pretty much tells you that we have the core to challenge the league but we don't have world class attackers to win us. Both Rashford & Martial have stepped up but they'll still need to go further like what Mane did last season and what Salah did in his first season.

The fact that Sancho doesn't want to join Liverpool because he knows won't start over Mane or Salah which should give you the point here.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

How's so? Did you read the first 3 sentences in the first paragraph which clearly I said something what our midfield & our right back offered.



And?

I mentioned that to tell you as a team they are better in those two aspects. Defenders aren't the only reason why team is better in defense. Their midfield also provide the help for it which is why I told you that you ignored the impact of their midfield.



That's not how football works in the team though. Wijnaldum scored 11 goals with Newcastle. He didn't add that similar amount of goal with Liverpool in a season.



You shouldn't ignore the last sentence of that paragraph. It's important to give the idea of what makes their level are currently still different.



Bundesliga is below EPL tier that's what I'm trying to tell you.

I did...did you read when I said Liverpool's midfield is perfect for their system

I'll say it one last time Liverpool are better defensively than us. The scenario the people who say we can challenge for the title is one where Rashford and Martial continue their good form as well as Pogba Bruno and Sancho if brought in. And you cannot come to the conclusion that if these players perform as expected that Liverpool's attack is superior to ours when these players - Rashford Sancho Martial are bringing similar stats to Liverpool's attacking trio. I'd say it's more realistic to expect Rashford Sancho Martial to continue their form than to drop.

This is the scenario

Current Rashford Current Martial and Current Sancho are as good as current Mane Firmino and Salah and the stats proves it. I'll say it again nobody is working with Rashford Martial and Sancho's form dropping drastically. We all expect them to keep performing or don't you?

Pogba Bruno and Fred are better than Liverpool's midfield.

Liverpool's defense is better than ours

With this squad we can challenge for the title. I never said we will challenge or win the title but it's something that looks achievable looking at our current squad plus Sancho

And for the Wjnaldum point if that's not how football works then how come Aubameyang brought his form from Dortmund in a lesser league and became highest goal scorer here.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Why is @UNITED ACADEMY trying to argue that Rashford isn't already outscoring Mane and Salah? Why is he trying to underplay VVD's effect on Liverpool? Why is he ignoring our wealth of youth players who are improving every year? Why is he so fecking negative?

Mane & Salah are capable proven to score 20+ & 30+ league goals.

I didn't underplay VVD effect. I'm making a point that VVD wasn't the only thing that change Liverpool.

I didn't ignore our young players improving every years.

So where is this negative you are talking about. Quote & highlight it. Don't talk non-sense.

 

[steve88]

How in your view that you think I'm changing the goal post?

I was making a point that despite of them being 4th place and 25 points behind, they reached final CL & their league goal scoring number showed some promising to be in the title challenger next following season. With the additional of both Mane & Trent massive improvement and spent 170m pounds on 4 players, they closed the gaps.



I don't know whether you are playing dumb on me here but I was actually expecting you to be smart enough to know the difference between Spurs & Liverpool situation.

Toby, Vertonghen, Rose are declining and they lost Trippier without replacing him. Liverpool wouldn't close that 25 points gaps if their defense is in decline & they lost Trent the next following season.



First of all VVD was already the best PL centre back at that time. Second, Salah was world class. Third, it wasn't just 1 signing that close the gaps but another 4 signings. Fourth, it wasn't just signings that close gaps but also the fact that both Mane & Trent made massive improvement to different level which make the losing Coutinho as a small loss.



I don't get what you are getting at. The fact that I said we can still challenge the league with the current squad sums up that I'm not ignoring the others like Bruno & Ighalo, that's pretty much tells you that we have the core to challenge the league but we don't have world class attackers to win us. Both Rashford & Martial have stepped up but they'll still need to go further like what Mane did last season and what Salah did in his first season.

The fact that Sancho doesn't want to join Liverpool because he knows won't start over Mane or Salah which should give you the point here.

How was Salah already workd class he never did this at Roma like he is in Liverpool and ferminho and mane weren't either are you even a united fan you seam too into other teams you prob support us to mosn never celebrate success always looking at negatives instead of positives

 

[Rozay]

Our Plan B for the right wing should be to offer Dortmund another £10m and Sancho another £25k a week.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I did...did you read when I said Liverpool's midfield is perfect for their system

Yes I did. But I wasn't referring to that.

I was referring to when you said their midfield is better than our midfield. In TAA vs AWB, your view is they are equal based on one is better in attack while the other is better in defend. What about the midfield. Offensively our midfield is better but defensively their midfield is better. I don't think it's fair to make such a judgment at this stage that we have better midfield since you are ignoring the aspect that their midfield are better at.

I'll say it one last time Liverpool are better defensively than us. The scenario the people who say we can challenge for the title is one where Rashford and Martial continue their good form as well as Pogba Bruno and Sancho if brought in. And you cannot come to the conclusion that if these players perform as expected that Liverpool's attack is superior to ours when these players - Rashford Sancho Martial are bringing similar stats to Liverpool's attacking trio. I'd say it's more realistic to expect Rashford Sancho Martial to continue their form than to drop.

This is the scenario

Current Rashford Current Martial and Current Sancho are as good as current Mane Firmino and Salah and the stats proves it. I'll say it again nobody is working with Rashford Martial and Sancho's form dropping drastically. We all expect them to keep performing or don't you?

Pogba Bruno and Fred are better than Liverpool's midfield.

Liverpool's defense is better than ours

This is where the difference between world class and just top player. The main reason why Mane & Salah last season & two seasons were able to score 20+ & 30+ league goal and maintain their form which what makes them world class players. The fact that Sancho doesn't choose Liverpool as his destination because he knows he won't be able to start over Salah & Mane at the moment.

I never say I expect them not to keep performing. Right now there is no proof whether they can maintain it until end of the season.

I'm putting my expectation into more realistic way, nothing negative about it. Young players tend to drop their form which is common. But when they can do it, that's when we are closing the gaps.

With this squad we can challenge for the title. I never said we will challenge or win the title but it's something that looks achievable looking at our current squad plus Sancho

I never said it's not achievable though.

And for the Wjnaldum point if that's not how football works then how come Aubameyang brought his form from Dortmund in a lesser league and became highest goal scorer here.

Yeah so why Kagawa & Mkhytaryan couldn't do it? May be it should give you good picture that Bundesliga is still below EPL which I'm sure both of us should agree in this but don't know why are you still persistent trying to make some justice from your comparison of Sancho vs Salah.