What should INEOS do next?

Ineos wont panic, as much as we criticised Ed Woodward for being not being a football person, its the right thing to do to hold your nerve and act at the right time and in accordance with a pre-agreed plan.

I imagine Ineos created a blueprint at the start of the season and based on a number of points in time take stock against the plan and then act accordingly. Its sensible business tbf, like measuring a business against metrics and KPI's, football is no different. Clubs arent run on emotion any more and as much as many of us would act on EtH now, there will be a point in time that Ineos agreed on before the season and will take action at that point and unlikely before.

There's exceptions to that of course, Madrid etc wouldnt accept it but i think they're a very different animal to most.
 
M Bison said:
Ineos wont panic, as much as we criticised Ed Woodward for being not being a football person, its the right thing to do to hold your nerve and act at the right time and in accordance with a pre-agreed plan.

I imagine Ineos created a blueprint at the start of the season and based on a number of points in time take stock against the plan and then act accordingly. Its sensible business tbf, like measuring a business against metrics and KPI's, football is no different. Clubs arent run on emotion any more and as much as many of us would act on EtH now, there will be a point in time that Ineos agreed on before the season and will take action at that point and unlikely before.

There's exceptions to that of course, Madrid etc wouldnt accept it but i think they're a very different animal to most.
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No. Simply no. To act like the shitshow we are in is part of some kind of master plan of INEOS must be a pure pisstake surely?
Also quite ironic suggesting football isn't based on emotion anymore when the decision the extend EtH contract and not sack him after that ridiculous season was... exactly based on pure emotion
 
Godfather said:
No. Simply no. To act like the shitshow we are in is part of some kind of master plan of INEOS must be a pure pisstake surely?
Also quite ironic suggesting football isn't based on emotion anymore when the decision the extend EtH contract and not sack him after that ridiculous season was... exactly based on pure emotion
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I think you’re misunderstanding what I’ve written. I’m not saying we planned to have such a poor start to the season, just that the monitoring would be done in such a way that prevents any reactions/decisions based on emotion and that there would be points in time based on a pre determined plan at the start of the season, where decisions would be made based on certain metrics.
 
The current squad is far better than it was two years ago. The right manager should be able to get top quality football out of the players we have, including Bruno and Rashford. Who is the right man for the job, I don't know, but I would imagine plenty of top managers would be happy to jump on board. Let's hope the new INEOS team can pick the right one, when the time comes.
 
Michael T said:
The current squad is far better than it was two years ago. The right manager should be able to get top quality football out of the players we have, including Bruno and Rashford. Who is the right man for the job, I don't know, but I would imagine plenty of top managers would be happy to jump on board. Let's hope the new INEOS team can pick the right one, when the time comes.
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The time has already come
 
Negotiating a clean break with the Glazers and dealing with the whole shambolic structure from wages to facilities to debt maintenance only after that priority aim is completed.

Ineos doesn’t have total control of footballing operations. They may have some sort of gentleman’s agreement in this area, but if they wanted to, say, fire Ten Hag… they would have a vote as I understand it. A lot of these decisions affect how the revenue of the club is spent … and therefore has to be approved by non-Ineos.

Ineos does not seem like a cash-rich investment entity either. The company may have a large value, but that is different. Radcliffe and the Ineos people should be looking for a an investment partner (like what Blueco uses Clearlake for ) so that they are borrowing rum. Themselves for anything larger scale. They here are VERY smart people that can structure the eventual total sale so that you are no longer carrying that ridiculously high debt Maintenance cost yearly….

There is SO much to do
 
They are likely more focused on the quadrennial America's Cup in Barcelona until 20th October. Ineos Britannia are neck in neck 4-4 against Luna Rossa in the LV Cup final for the chance to take on the defending America's Cup champs ENTZ.

In the meantime the straightforward decision is obviously to sack ETH, make RvN interim, interview Allegri, Tuchel etc on how they'd utilise the current squad and hire whoever makes the most enthusiastic pitch for the job. Can't do worse than ETH unless they get relegated no? I do still think Tuchel is the best coach available but he needs to want the job since it's a huge undertaking. He's keen to work in England again and has a chip on his shoulder post-Chelsea and Bayern, you want someone with a point to prove who has worked in England before, has PL/CL success and is fluent/happily charismatic with the UK media. Not a newbie like Xavi or Zidane who may hate it.
 
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I think it would be best to get in a capable interim and start talking to managers who they really want. With that i mean managers that are in a job right now but open to join us next season.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
I think it would be best to get in a capable interim and start talking to managers who they really want. With that i mean managers that are in a job right now but open to join us next season.
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Who is your idea of a capable interim?
 
JediSith said:
Get rid of Bruno & Rashford. What difference if the next manager is forced to play them.

Hire a manager who plays a similar style to ETH so we don’t need another rebuild. Only players signed over the past 2 seasons that the new manager should be able to immediately replace (if he desires) is Onana.

Beyond that carry one. The whole point of what INEOS have been doing is to make the manager just a piece of the puzzle , not the engine that runs the car. So really if INEOS have been operating strategically they should be able to replace ETH with no major issues. The players signed in the summer were identified not only by ETH, but also Wilcox, Answorth etc as being part of a project.
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What’s his style? Suicide football by playing favourites and neglecting the midfield?
 
Not sure this season can even be salvaged by ETH or an interim, but the tide has turned against ETH and will only get more toxic the longer he stays. INEOS should take their time and find the right manager; they've already botched it by keeping ETH based on a single cup final. Promote Ruud as interim as they work though their short list of target. The squad is not bad and with the right manager is more than capable of a top 4 finish.
 
They refused to back ETH once the takeover went though, then they clearly tried to replace him after the Cup Final and couldn’t even agree new contract with him.

That shows they weren’t sold on him being the right man going forward and I am sure it is factored into their plans that he wouldn’t be the manager from next season onwards or even before that.

I guess they will continue to make changes behind the scenes and at some point, maybe as early as next international break, ETH will be gone and replaced by Ruud as caretaker/interim.
 
Roboc7 said:
They refused to back ETH once the takeover went though, then they clearly tried to replace him after the Cup Final and couldn’t even agree new contract with him.

That shows they weren’t sold on him being the right man going forward and I am sure it is factored into their plans that he wouldn’t be the manager from next season onwards or even before that.

I guess they will continue to make changes behind the scenes and at some point, maybe as early as next international break, ETH will be gone and replaced by Ruud as caretaker/interim.
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Looks this way. The reality is the guy should have been sacked.
 
PieCrust said:
Not sure this season can even be salvaged by ETH or an interim, but the tide has turned against ETH and will only get more toxic the longer he stays. INEOS should take their time and find the right manager; they've already botched it by keeping ETH based on a single cup final. Promote Ruud as interim as they work though their short list of target. The squad is not bad and with the right manager is more than capable of a top 4 finish.
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Not too sure about that. City, Arsenal, Liverpool are out of reach. Are we ahead of Chelsea, Villa, Newcastle, Spurs? On paper we look 5-6th.
 
red_de_pologne said:
Not too sure about that. City, Arsenal, Liverpool are out of reach. Are we ahead of Chelsea, Villa, Newcastle, Spurs? On paper we look 5-6th.
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On paper we look 8th-11th, Brighton, Bournemouth, Brentford are better teams right now and far better trained.
 
red_de_pologne said:
Not too sure about that. City, Arsenal, Liverpool are out of reach. Are we ahead of Chelsea, Villa, Newcastle, Spurs? On paper we look 5-6th.
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Pretty sure we have better squads than Villa, Newcastle and Spurs. It's our comical style of play that put us at 12th. A competent manager should get us challenging top 4.
 
elmo said:
What’s his style? Suicide football by playing favourites and neglecting the midfield?
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Favourites is his flaw. But I think it’s pretty obvious in certain matches we’ve seen that there is a style of play that he is trying to implement but for whatever reason he’s two blind to see that two players he consistently pics are unsuitable to that system.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
We dont need to replace Onana any time soon, there are players like Casemiro, Hojlund, Shaw, and Eriksen who should be replaced first.
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Casemiro, Eriksen are no brainers. As is Luke Shaw due to his injury record. Hojlund, I think deserves a chance, showed great promise last year. Onana I can understand if a new manager doesn’t trust him for his shot stopping.
 
fergiewherearethou said:
It is so easy to say get rid of Bruno and Rashford, but reality is that they our most consistent attacking players in the last 5 years. Ups and downs yes, everybody expects them to carry us every game but 1. they are not the greatest of all time and 2. we are a dysfunctional team and we always were since they started playing for us.
Good luck to us hoping that Garnacho, Zirkzee, Hojlund or Amad will bring us loads of goals every season from now on.
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Neither of those two are worth lacing the shoes of RvN or Ince, Hughes, Kanchelkis etc all of whom were sold and replaced with kids. Yes RVN long replacement was not Saha, it was to only teenagers Rooney and Ronaldo to progress. Other players I mentioned were replaced by class of 92.

Amad, Garnacho, Zirkzee, Hojlund I think deserve the chance to progress. Maybe they will work maybe they won’t. But we’ve already seen the best & worse of Bruno & Rashford.
 
Give someone else some high profile office job and buy themselves another three months of fans convincing themselves that it represents the start of our revival?

"Lads, he's been appointed the Director of Technical Direction and Technicalities - at last the Glazer/Woodward era is over and we're back"

That's pretty much what happened over the summer to spawn the optimism we saw, isn't it?
 
I think that unless our form gets so bad that we are in danger of slipping into the relegation zone, INEOS will keep ETH, until they can line-up all their 'ducks' properly.
There has been a malaise inside the club since the Glazers arrived, we have yet to find out how much control Sir Jim actually has and to what affect he can really change things. INEOS has started well in recruiting what appear to be very good senior managers in critical areas, but there are perhaps a thousand and one things yet still to get right, from getting the club staffing levels correct, to building a new or revamped futuristic Stadium.

Somewhere in among that '1001 jobs to do' is building a team that bring back the glory days, however; I suspect it is not the most important thing....right now!! We have yet to see and understand what INEOS see as 'progress' and how it will be measured.

It looks like ETH is reaching the end of the road, whether its bad luck or bad management (he did win two pieces of silverware in consecutive years), or a combination of both. More than likely it is ETH is being 'stress-tested' right now and he is holding on by his finger tips... not a pleasant thought, but a realistic one.
 
They need to be prudent concerning what they do with existing managers when they fail compared to the due diligence of hiring a new candidate.

I would actually implore that the Glazers firing managers for finishing below 4th is certainly a good standard to not only protect the commercial interests of the club but disallow and dissuade what's happened at present where the club finish outside the top 6 and a domestic cup is seen as a justification despite the ramification of poor league form. It's the type of sentiment I'd expect from West Ham or Crystal Palace.

INEOS need to accept that it will take some volatility in stumbling across the right coach especially in a market where most candidates have an elevated level of risk given the lack of pedigree in world class managers.

So it's either that approach or if they have someone more definitive in mind putting their money where their mouths are and going all out for the individual irrespective of the present circumstances (if they have a long pre existing contract with a club or national team).

INEOS have been ruthless with the job's of the more common staff while being inept with those of the first team and really and truly it should be the other way around.
 
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