What is our problem????????

Getting Duff would have been great.
Give Giggs the kick up the arse he needs.
He'd do your head in watching him at the moment.
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Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>2. the 4-5-1 experiment fecked you up. in the 4-4-2 all the players knew where giggs, beckham, cole and yorke would be if they wanted to pass to them. now no-one knows quite where the hell their team-mates are going to pop up next.
you should go back to basics, keep your 2 wide midfielders wide and keep your 2 strikers playing on the last defender. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think that the 451 thing being blambed is total bullshit. Look at post nr 1 and itll explain to you why.
If we had played 442 as usual all last season & this it would probably have been even worse!
Man Utd should be able to put a couple of goals past Bolton with whatever formation they want. Id expect our reserve team to get a result against them at home.
Its a mental thing and im buggered if i know the cure for it. Keano shouting his bollox is only covering up the cracks and waking ppl up temporarily. If i was to suggest the next move to Fergie it would be to pick the top 3 or 4 young players and let em start a few games.
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Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>I agree with all Murt's "what it isnt" list, but I dont agree that the will to wins gone.
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Im clutching at straws, if its not 451/442, personell, the defence or the will to win what is possibly left
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Its the combination many things. Confidence, morale, cliches forming, behind closed door fall outs, tinkering with formations.

Spotting the problem is hard enough, solving the bast is a nighmare.

When you have a squad of stars they all have different ideas about how to solve it. Veron wants a patient build up with a killer ball, Becks wants to come in side, Giggs wants to come in from the other wing, Micky wants to do all teh crossing, Phil Neville wants to.... well lets not worry about Phil (breathing is hard enough)

The buck stops with SAF. He has to grab everyone by the short and curlys and say "THIS IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO PUT IT RIGHT"

Tomorrow would be nice ?
 
i don't deny that Becks & co. still has the fighting spirit & burning desire to win. however, the cohesion and rythmatic part of it has lost for the moment. hopefully we can pick it up soon. c'mon, u devils!! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Becks might also be a much better shot stopper and tackler now than he was then but I wouldn't put him on goal or defence.

he IS a right midfielder

He should be MADE to play there

Whoever said we have too mnay individuals and not enough team was just so right....

Originally posted by uranushk1:
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I must disagree. The Beckham now is better as a player than in 98-99. He can even shoot and score with his left foot now. He can cross whenever he want in 98-99 because other teams are not too familar with him yet, but put a fast and average LB there to stick with Becks, he can easily mark him out because he lack pace and dribbling skill. Therefore Becks begin to move more freely in the field is nearly a must for him, otherwise every team can easily freeze him out in the far right.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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I think one of the big things we are missing now is the pace we used to have in counter attacking.
People go on about Utd being a counter attcking side but I don't see it these days. Tis awhile ago now but the sight of Giggs on one wing and Kanchelskis on the other going full tilt in a counter attack would make the hairs rise on the back of any oppositions defence.

In an effort to adapt the the more cerebral passing game of European teams for the CL competition we have lost that edge. And it was this counter attacking which would have scuppered a side like Bolton.

I think our right wing is really slow. You can see it nowadays, despite having a world class crosser of the ball in Becks an awful lot of the penetrating crosses are coming from Silvestre on the left wing. Beckham is a world class crosser and dead ball specialist but he doesn't have the pace or dribbling skills to go past players, we need a pacey right back behind him to counter this.

In terms of defences they are all about CB partnerships (look at the pool), I think we should stop wasting time by playing Larry and let Rio and Wes or JohnO begin to build that partnership.
 
Beckham is missing his old mate Gary,methinks.
Maybe just maybe when he returns it will click back into place.

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Originally posted by reelworld:
<strong>Beckham don't stayed on the right because he would be easily nullified.
He didn't have that acceleration to beat defenders, and he needs space to cross the ball.
All the defenders have to do is close that space and Becks would be inefficient.
He have to move to the middle (or sometime moving up the left), so he can get the ball and pass it around.
Giggs in the other hand is worrying, he have all the attributes, the pace and the skill the past his men, but he rarely do so right now.
I believe that, if he could regain the form that made him one of the most respected left winger in the world, we would be back in bussiness</strong><hr></blockquote>

United move the ball well enough to guarantee Beckham space on the flanks. However, too often, Beckham moves into the middle, making space on the right, but no one moves into that space, which is just pointless. It clogs our midfield and makes it easier to defend against. But Beckham's job isn't just to make space for himself, but also for the others as well. Thus, United are effectively using less of the pitch, making it easier to defend against.
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Originally posted by mathiaslg:
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United move the ball well enough to guarantee Beckham space on the flanks. However, too often, Beckham moves into the middle, making space on the right, but no one moves into that space, which is just pointless. It clogs our midfield and makes it easier to defend against. But Beckham's job isn't just to make space for himself, but also for the others as well. Thus, United are effectively using less of the pitch, making it easier to defend against.</strong><hr></blockquote>
He was actually playing as a central midfielder for some of the second half against bolton with Ole on the right. Its deliberate, but I'd still rather have him on the right.
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Originally posted by seanoc:
<strong>I think one of the big things we are missing now is the pace we used to have in counter attacking.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Agreed, i am not a Beckham fan mainly because hes not an out & out Man utd winger. I much prefer to have speedy wingers rather than a great passer like Beckham on the wing. Ideally, instead of buying Veron (not that im knocking Veron) we could have invested in a Kanchelskis, a Lee Sharpe, a Giggs etc and moved Beckham into the middle where i believe he could be great. Ok wed miss his crossing but as i said id prefer a speed merchant. Problem is that we are very strong in CM and weaker on the flanks so Beckham is stuck there.
Duff would have been such a brilliant signing for us.
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Originally posted by mathiaslg:
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United move the ball well enough to guarantee Beckham space on the flanks. However, too often, Beckham moves into the middle, making space on the right, but no one moves into that space, which is just pointless. It clogs our midfield and makes it easier to defend against. But Beckham's job isn't just to make space for himself, but also for the others as well. Thus, United are effectively using less of the pitch, making it easier to defend against.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's it, we don't have a right fullback with the attacking capabilities like Silvestre.
Phil Neville used to be quite good at going forward, but he's way off form right now :) .
If we had a right foot version of Silvestre, he would complement Beckham style perfectly. :)
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Originally posted by Gazza:
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Neither Chadwick nor Forlan have crossing ability half as good as Beckham's, so why should we waste his talent in the middle when it is so obvious what we lack is width ? If he changed from a winger to a more central player, he should be able to change back.</strong><hr></blockquote>

bex at least has drive, he can make defenders scatter like skittles when he goes through the middle, they do back off him. bex doesnt run at people enough, he's no dribbler but then neither is keane. at the back of the oppositions mind is that he can at any time shoot while running at pace or has the improvisation to slide a ball through for the strikers.
its just an option i'm saying. veron in the middle without 2 ballwinners around him in a fast game is a weakness because bless him seba cant tackle and he sits too deep. and how many times in the last 6 months certainly, have seen that if any of our forward line had a yard more of pace a-la henry, more of his balls over the top would land sweet at their feet. but we dont.
if sweet-features chadwick could beef up a bit i'd give him a chance on the right. so giggs cant cross either but he still could cause havoc. chadwick makes these odd runs but they arent always blind alleys. i like chadwick anyone seen him in action lately? <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" /> )
er, what was i saying again :confused: sod it then :cool:
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:( sorry people i took so long to write my post by the time i did you both made the points i was gonna make sorry :(
good points though :cool:
 
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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2 things :

1. beckham is obsessed by this image of himself as a midfield play-maker, which he is not. it makes him come looking for the ball more and drift infield more when he was far, far more effective playing further up the right flank, where his crosses come whipped right into the danger area between 'keeper and centre-backs. he's playing far too deep.

you should go back to basics, keep your 2 wide midfielders wide and keep your 2 strikers playing on the last defender. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree with the points above. I think if it was up to Becks, he would be playing in central midfield which is why he drifts into that space all the time. I'd really like to see him stay on the right though because he's most valuable to us when he's constantly crossing the ball into the box like he did in 98/99.

I actually think that both Becks and Giggs come into the middle too often which has resulted in us losing our width and has contributed to our problems in breaking teams down.
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they have to come into the middle coz the Cm sit too deep. veron's back there with nicky and scholesy's just getting into the role and now he's out.
 
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